You are correct because if you screw over your season ticket holders on any regular or post season game there will be major problems, this new facility should have seated at least 6000 people.
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Dave Reynolds 5/25/10
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You are correct because if you screw over your season ticket holders on any regular or post season game there will be major problems, this new facility should have seated at least 6000 people.
I see no problem with this and agree that Cross' logic seems pretty solid.
Can't schedule competitively because we don't have a venue due to Snoopy on Ice or whatever...now we can.
I'm with Boogie on this'n - think it'd be pretty cool to see people scrambling to find a Bradley ticket. Could do a lot to boost student excitement as well. Plus think of the home court advantage it would give us. Man-o-man.
Oh, and you don't have to pay an extra $1,000 just to see one more game. That is for just the best (closest) 500 seats in the arena. The other 3,700 seats will be up for grabs. Plus, its a 4,200 seat arena - it isn't like you are going to be in the nose bleeds.
I guess I don't see why people are all bent out of shape. This seems like a good thing.
Can't schedule competitively because we don't have a venue due to Snoopy on Ice or whatever...now we can.
I'm with Boogie on this'n - think it'd be pretty cool to see people scrambling to find a Bradley ticket. Could do a lot to boost student excitement as well. Plus think of the home court advantage it would give us. Man-o-man.
Oh, and you don't have to pay an extra $1,000 just to see one more game. That is for just the best (closest) 500 seats in the arena. The other 3,700 seats will be up for grabs. Plus, its a 4,200 seat arena - it isn't like you are going to be in the nose bleeds.
I guess I don't see why people are all bent out of shape. This seems like a good thing.
I agree amckillip, this has been discussed before, but at the end of the property acquisition to the west of the BU campus, Bradley was paying over $500,000 each for individual properties. The real value of those properties was more like a quarter of that. To acquire enough property to build a bigger arena for men's games would have been impossible for Bradley to afford.
But even if that was possible, the infrastructure in that area would not have allowed for a larger facility, and the greater traffic and parking needs. And realize that there is only one main street leading to that area, Main Street, and the traffic issues would have been impossible to overcome.
Like Drake or UNI, maybe it might have been designed for slightly more capacity, like 5,500-6,000, but that still wouldn't have solved the problem, and we'd still be having this discussion. The fact is the new arena was never designed for or intended for men's basketball.
But even if that was possible, the infrastructure in that area would not have allowed for a larger facility, and the greater traffic and parking needs. And realize that there is only one main street leading to that area, Main Street, and the traffic issues would have been impossible to overcome.
Like Drake or UNI, maybe it might have been designed for slightly more capacity, like 5,500-6,000, but that still wouldn't have solved the problem, and we'd still be having this discussion. The fact is the new arena was never designed for or intended for men's basketball.
Bradley JD = I Totally Agree!!
Exactly right. And also consider that downtown Peoria offers hotels, restaurants, and bars all within walking distance, as well as a variety of ways to easily get in and out (I-74, 24/29, Kumpf, Main, etc...). To get to campus you have University / McArthur, Main, and 74. The chokepoints at Main and University, Western & Moss, and University and Columbia Terrace would be epic as 11,000 or even 8,000 try to get home after a game.
Unless a new Interstate is built that runs right next door to campus, or Peoria invests in a subway or elevated shuttle train, we won't see a men's basketball arena on campus.
Ok Thanks guys, that explains it. I really don't care where it is at really, in fact I usually go eat before hand when I go down to games because restaurants are so close to the civic center.
An on campus arena would be cool, but I can see why those problems would arise now, and I'm going to go to the games I can no matter what so it really don't matter to me. I'd still think a game would be cool to have there just cause its new and different, but I'm not sure how to get around those problems other than for exhibitions. I like that we have some leverage against the CC now at least.
Just curious since I was not around for the old Fieldhouse days when the men played there, but that held about 8,000 I believe? Did they have the problems you are mentioning for an on campus arena?
Really? I saw quite a few contradictory statements.....
"We don’t want to limit people’s ability to see games."
Then keep all games at the Civic Center.
"For a particular opponent, a smaller venue might make sense."
"There are some practical reasons for doing this, and scheduling is No. 1"
Sounds to me like all games are an option, not just a "particular opponent" where "a smaller venue might make sense".
The PSO press release says this.....
"In addition, the men's basketball team will host one of its two preseason exhibition games and all potential home games in campus-site postseason tournaments on campus."
Michael Cross says this regarding postseason tournament games.....
"We’re not locked into the perspective that it’s one place or the other."
Which is it?
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I don't care what comparable schools do or don't do really. I thought this was about Bradley.
I am glad you find my opinion uneducated. I'll be sure to share that with my employer in the morning.
Again, I saw at least one of the studies Bradley conducted on this very topic. It didn't seem to them that it was impossible at all.
One could argue the outrageous fees Bradley is charged for rent at the CC are not justified either. But it really doesn't matter.
BradleyBrave
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They did have the land. But in order to finally, after all these years, get the support of the neighborhood and city, they had to likely agree to a bigger parking deck, which in turn made building a bigger arena impossible.
And I would probably tend to believe what JD says. He's been around the BU program longer than several 'educated' posters have been alive. ;-)
And I would probably tend to believe what JD says. He's been around the BU program longer than several 'educated' posters have been alive. ;-)
I would say most of the crowd parked on the streets at Fieldhouse games. What a nightmare on snowy nights. Can't imagine having an 11,000 seat arena on campus.
Yes, there was competetion for every available street spot for many blocks in every direction. I would get to the Fieldhoue a hour before games and still ended up a couple blocks away. I didn't mind the walk, except when it was raining or extremely cold. I remember that there were always a lot of people who never seemed to shovel their sidewalks. Now it is illegal for non-residents to park in those neighborhoods, so all those people who would have parked on the streets now would have to try to fit into a parking deck that was designed for only a few hundred cars.
Then there were the massive traffic jams on every street leading away from the Fieldhouse after every game as everyone headed for Main St. or University St. I recall those days fondly, because it gave us a chance to sit in our car for a long time and listen to the postgame show with Dave Snell and the coach.
Then there were the massive traffic jams on every street leading away from the Fieldhouse after every game as everyone headed for Main St. or University St. I recall those days fondly, because it gave us a chance to sit in our car for a long time and listen to the postgame show with Dave Snell and the coach.
Already covered.
So are we upset about this because it's a change or because we think there's a legit gripe? Cross explanation that the # of games people will get in their season package will be virtually the same as past years have had...
I'm guessing the same people that don't like this are the ones that hated the black jerseys, too...:roll:
houstontxbrave
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Just curious but would it have or could it be possible to build a large "near" on campus arena where Shea stadium now sits?
Seems like it would be a large enough land area to build an arena and a parking structure.
Seems like it would be a large enough land area to build an arena and a parking structure.
Wikipedia defines season tickets as such: In sport, a season ticket grants the holder access to all regular-season home games for one season without additional charges.
The number of home games does fluctuate from year to year, agreed. However, season ticket holders should get tickets to every home game, not just some of them.
For the record, I liked the black uniforms and want them to be permanent.
...and I still think this off-site home game is wrong.
tornado
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but sg
-- keeping them downtown limits all the students' ability to see the games, right?
--and what if Gonzaga, Michigan State, or UC-Davis would come to Peoria but only on Dec. 24, a date that the Civic Center is booked....wouldn't it be nice to at least have one alternate option?
--lastly - almost all the NIT, CBI, etc games were very costly for BU as we didn't come close to filling the Civic Center....had those games been held in the proposed new arena, BU would have made a bundle, and isn't that part of the whole business of operating an athletic dept??
First of all, I don't believe anyone's ability to see the games is limited until you decide to play them in a smaller venue than the PCC.
I'm just wondering why these statements seem to contradict previous statements. I fail to see the "solid logic" in the statements that I quoted previously.
Clearly, the very first statement defies "solid logic". If you "don't want to limit people's ability to see games", then don't do it.
First, it's stated that "a smaller venue might make sense" for a particular opponent. Maybe I'm taking that wrong, but I take that as meaning teams like Wofford, Presbyterian, East Tennessee State, Maryland-Eastern Shore, Florida Gulf Coast, etc. Then it's stated that it would make sense to use it for scheduling other schools in cases when the PCC isn't available. The combination of these two statements leads me to believe that most games would be an option.
The statements regarding postseason games in the PSO press release and the statement made by Michael Cross are completely contradictory. Either "all potential home games" will be played on campus or "we're not locked into one place or the other".
As far as not filling the PCC, how many times has that EVER happened? Not a very large percentage of the time. I've posted the exact numbers before, but the average attendance of the last eight postseason home games is over 6,500. That means an average of 36% of those people would be left without a ticket at the smaller venue. In some cases, it would be around 50% of the people left without a ticket. Just doesn't make sense to me to "reward" the people that come to every regular season game by stating that all campus-site postseason games will be played at the new arena.
BradleyBrave
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Unfortunately I think it's another example of a combination of poor planning on BU's part, and a poor relationship between BU, the neighborhood, and the City of Peoria. The relationship with the City and neighborhood I think is what led to the poor planning. While I think BU is posturing like it has improved its position with the PCC, in reality I don't think much has changed. They (The PCC) know as well as we do that 4,200 just doesn't get the job done unless BU is dropping down to Division III.
Exactly......the whole "leverage" argument doesn't make much sense to me either. If they had even 6,500 seats, maybe......but definitely not 4,200.
If BU still has problems with City Hall then it is time for BU to start spending its money on political clout. The Supreme Court has ruled that Corporations/organization have the right to spend as much money as they like on political causes. When is the next big election in Peoria?