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2 Louisville BBall players arrested
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What do the deaths of soldiers in the military have to so with anything in this link? And please.. what other societies have less problems with drinking than the U.S. with more open laws? What are you basing this on? SFP you make blanket statements like they are facts. Let's see something to back it up.
And as far as off duty cops "sticking their noses in".. police officers are still supposed to enforce the laws whether they are on duty or not.
Killer B if you have not lived in another country where they have more liberal drinking laws, then you will have missed my point. There are plenty of examples. All of Europe, S.A. We could go to the extreme though like in the middle east where there are very little if any drinking laws.
As for the cops "sticking their nose in." I bet more will come up in this incident. Let's leave it at that for the time.
I also have a few cop friends that I play ball with. They are all older and had other professions prior to being officers. They all say that the young ones do go around with a chip on their shoulder because they are trained that way. It takes a bit of maturity and checking your ego when you put on the uniform not to come across as a egomaniac or when you should just not push things.
As for the cops "sticking their nose in." I bet more will come up in this incident. Let's leave it at that for the time.
I also have a few cop friends that I play ball with. They are all older and had other professions prior to being officers. They all say that the young ones do go around with a chip on their shoulder because they are trained that way. It takes a bit of maturity and checking your ego when you put on the uniform not to come across as a egomaniac or when you should just not push things.
Why not get out and enjoy the nice weather for a few days. For me, I have to stay in for the next 24 hours - big earnings report coming out tomorrow at 8:00 EST (C) I'm long the stock, it could move either way, wish me luck.
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BTW, Citigroup is one of the banks that the government put billions of dollars in to bailout. It is my understanding that the government owns billions of shares of Citigroup at about $3.25/share, the price right now is $4.95/share. So at least for now, we the taxpayers are not doing too bad. The government could come out really looking good after the bailouts, only time will tell, from what I read money is being paid back.
http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USCA0987.html
BTW, Citigroup is one of the banks that the government put billions of dollars in to bailout. It is my understanding that the government owns billions of shares of Citigroup at about $3.25/share, the price right now is $4.95/share. So at least for now, we the taxpayers are not doing too bad. The government could come out really looking good after the bailouts, only time will tell, from what I read money is being paid back.
As far as young cops having a chip & trying to prove themselves.. is that the case here? Again do you know something the rest of us should? Give us something other than your suspicions.
As for Europe and younger drinking ages.. please share. Does that younger drinking age mean lower alcoholism rates.. fewer drunk driving crashes.. fewer health problems later in life?
As for Europe and younger drinking ages.. please share. Does that younger drinking age mean lower alcoholism rates.. fewer drunk driving crashes.. fewer health problems later in life?
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Just one of many studies! Facts you want, here they are!
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/05/25/049276.html
Another study finds that there has been an increase in drunk driving deaths and all this after the laws have gotten tougher.
I'm not for drunk driving at all and believe drunk drivers need to pay but how we prevent drunk driving to take place from the get go is really the question. In Europe, except England and certain events, most people regard getting out of hand as something extremely juvenile, even for college age kids. You rarely see young adults in Europe getting extremely drunk like US college age kids. I went to HS in a place where you learned how to socially drink so when I was at BU I was shocked to find all my dorm mates making sweet love to the porcelain goddess at their age. Is it better to be exposed to alcohol from your parents or from your young peers?
Just one of many studies! Facts you want, here they are!
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/05/25/049276.html
Another study finds that there has been an increase in drunk driving deaths and all this after the laws have gotten tougher.
I'm not for drunk driving at all and believe drunk drivers need to pay but how we prevent drunk driving to take place from the get go is really the question. In Europe, except England and certain events, most people regard getting out of hand as something extremely juvenile, even for college age kids. You rarely see young adults in Europe getting extremely drunk like US college age kids. I went to HS in a place where you learned how to socially drink so when I was at BU I was shocked to find all my dorm mates making sweet love to the porcelain goddess at their age. Is it better to be exposed to alcohol from your parents or from your young peers?
SFP, your first study uses the following source for its statistics:
"A number of statistics were found that correlated drug addiction levels in various European countries. The following chart was created by information offered by the medical marijuana magazine."
Not my favorite source.. but this is interesting about alcoholism rates from Encyclopedia Britanica:
"Estimates of the prevalence of alcoholism vary depending on the definition used and upon the methods of estimation. In the United States 10 to 20 percent of men and 5 to 10 percent of women at some point in their lives will meet criteria for alcoholism, depending on the stringency of the criteria employed. These rates are similar to the rates for many countries in western Europe, and the rates are a little higher in eastern European countries. Rates in countries around the eastern Mediterranean and in Southeast Asia are much lower. Overall, rates in Africa are low, but they are very high in the new urban slums.
Variations in the definition of alcoholism, however, make it difficult to compare rates in different countries. In England and Wales, estimates of the prevalence of alcoholism have suggested rates that range from 1.1 to 11 percent, and in Switzerland the suggested rates range from 2.2 to 13 percent. The prevalence of alcoholism in France has been estimated at as high as 15 percent of the adult population, but more conservative estimates suggest 9 percent.
In Portugal, with one of the highest per capita alcohol-consumption rates in the world, did not even recognize alcoholism as a problem until the late 20th century. In the mid-20th century, the death of Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin resulted in a shift from official denial that any significant alcohol problem existed in the Soviet Union to an outcry that alcoholism involved 40 percent of adult males. In both circumstances, however, statistics were inadequate. In short, there is a strong subjective element in statistics of alcoholism. In addition, comparative data invariably fail to take account of changes in diagnostic policies and whether illicit, untaxed alcoholic beverages are included in estimates of national consumption."
**regarding your drunk driving stats:
On average someone is killed by a drunk driver every 45 minutes. In 2008, an estimated 11,773 people died in drunk driving related crashes??”a decline of 9.8 percent from the 13,041 drunk driving related fatalities of 2007.
These deaths constitute 31.6 percent of the 37,261 total traffic fatalities in 2008. (Source: NHTSA, 2009)
In 2007, an estimated 12,998 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes1 ??“ a decline of 3.7 percent from the 13,491 fatalities in 2006.
(Source: NHTSA-2007 Traffic Safety Annual Assessment)
Traffic fatalities in alcohol-impaired-driving crashes fell by 0.8 percent, from 13,582 in 2005 to 13,470 in 2006. The 13,470 alcohol-impaired-driving fatalities in 2006 were almost the same as compared to 13,451 alcohol-impaired-driving fatalities reported in 1996.
(source NHTSA-2006 Traffic Safety Annual Assessment)
"A number of statistics were found that correlated drug addiction levels in various European countries. The following chart was created by information offered by the medical marijuana magazine."
Not my favorite source.. but this is interesting about alcoholism rates from Encyclopedia Britanica:
"Estimates of the prevalence of alcoholism vary depending on the definition used and upon the methods of estimation. In the United States 10 to 20 percent of men and 5 to 10 percent of women at some point in their lives will meet criteria for alcoholism, depending on the stringency of the criteria employed. These rates are similar to the rates for many countries in western Europe, and the rates are a little higher in eastern European countries. Rates in countries around the eastern Mediterranean and in Southeast Asia are much lower. Overall, rates in Africa are low, but they are very high in the new urban slums.
Variations in the definition of alcoholism, however, make it difficult to compare rates in different countries. In England and Wales, estimates of the prevalence of alcoholism have suggested rates that range from 1.1 to 11 percent, and in Switzerland the suggested rates range from 2.2 to 13 percent. The prevalence of alcoholism in France has been estimated at as high as 15 percent of the adult population, but more conservative estimates suggest 9 percent.
In Portugal, with one of the highest per capita alcohol-consumption rates in the world, did not even recognize alcoholism as a problem until the late 20th century. In the mid-20th century, the death of Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin resulted in a shift from official denial that any significant alcohol problem existed in the Soviet Union to an outcry that alcoholism involved 40 percent of adult males. In both circumstances, however, statistics were inadequate. In short, there is a strong subjective element in statistics of alcoholism. In addition, comparative data invariably fail to take account of changes in diagnostic policies and whether illicit, untaxed alcoholic beverages are included in estimates of national consumption."
**regarding your drunk driving stats:
On average someone is killed by a drunk driver every 45 minutes. In 2008, an estimated 11,773 people died in drunk driving related crashes??”a decline of 9.8 percent from the 13,041 drunk driving related fatalities of 2007.
These deaths constitute 31.6 percent of the 37,261 total traffic fatalities in 2008. (Source: NHTSA, 2009)
In 2007, an estimated 12,998 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes1 ??“ a decline of 3.7 percent from the 13,491 fatalities in 2006.
(Source: NHTSA-2007 Traffic Safety Annual Assessment)
Traffic fatalities in alcohol-impaired-driving crashes fell by 0.8 percent, from 13,582 in 2005 to 13,470 in 2006. The 13,470 alcohol-impaired-driving fatalities in 2006 were almost the same as compared to 13,451 alcohol-impaired-driving fatalities reported in 1996.
(source NHTSA-2006 Traffic Safety Annual Assessment)
I guess we both find it as a problem in our society but we differ on how it should be handled. My experiences tend to be a bit more on the side of putting it out there in a controlled environment for young adults, so their habits can be controlled. Yours is more of managing the substance so they cannot legally use it but we all know they will anyway. This tends to take the problem away from the vigilance of adults who possibly can council them to be responsible. Cultural differences is all we have here. I do understand your view point and respect it but just not going to agree that it is the best way to solve the issue. Probably a high-bred approach would be best!
Braves4Life
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I think in cultures where you have a strong and stable family unit with strong family values the "SFP model" makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, America has seen the total collapse of the traditional family unit and family values over the last 30 years or so. Therefore, I doubt that this would work in this country. We're already too far gone as a society..... Sadly
I think in cultures where you have a strong and stable family unit with strong family values the "SFP model" makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, America has seen the total collapse of the traditional family unit and family values over the last 30 years or so. Therefore, I doubt that this would work in this country. We're already too far gone as a society..... Sadly
Say it is not so!
I believe we can get back to the values that made this country great! I guess we all need to do our part. Let's start with eliminating entitlements that were never earned, build an economy and political system built for the middle class.Braves4Life
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Say it is not so!
I'm sorry SFP but I think it is highly unlikely that we can get back to the strong family, two parent system that built this country into the greatest nation on earth. There are now too many people and groups of people who are locked into the US system of slavery known as welfare and entitlements. Do you really think that they will ever vote to allow the government to reduce or take away their handouts? That voting block is just too strong and organized by special interests. I'm afraid we have already gone too far down the slippery slope of socialism.
I think the only way we can get back to a system of strong family values and a stable family unit/environment is if the government lets "the system" fix itself. That is the true Libertarian approach (which I happen to believe in). I think the government should have (they didn't) and should allow weak, over-leveraged companies and over-extended individuals to fail. This won't happen since it would lead to Great Depression II..... And we all know that politicians (who are dependent on keeping voters, PACs, and Corporations fat and happy) will NEVER allow this to happen. This country needs a Revolution -- an Awakening -- that can only be brought on by a Total Collapse of the System. The strong MUST rise up and take charge and the weak MUST be allowed to die!
The 2 Louisville players who were arrested will face one charge each, despite the recommendation by the police that multiple charges be filed. I guess the Clark County prosecutor wants to go easy on the players.:?
Also, Coach Pitino apparently wants to go easy on them, too.
Pitino says neither one of the players will face any loss of playing time.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4561956
Also, Coach Pitino apparently wants to go easy on them, too.
Pitino says neither one of the players will face any loss of playing time.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4561956
Braves4Life
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That, or the prosecutor wants to minimize the chance of a lawsuit. It's possible he just wants this case to go away as quickly as possible...... And Pitino may know of a different version of events as well.
tornado
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Pitino has a long history of going soft with discipline...
this was well documented in how soft he was with Derrick Caracter despiute repeated violations...but then what do you expect...?
Many of the top coaches like Calipari, Huggins, Floyd, Pearl, Self, etc..recruit thugs, don't enforce discipline,
even get some help from sympathetic local law enforcement and prosecutors to make sure the kids stay out of jail and stay eligible,
then they go out and make it to the Sweet Sixteen or Final Four -
proving that doing things the WRONG still pays off if you're willing to wear the reputation of recuiting thugs and criminals.
Sure - some programs implode with the thuggery (Binghamton just did, Baylor did, and Kansas & Tennessee are coming desperately close)
but just like pros who use steroids, they appear willing to take the risks because of the huge payoffs!
this was well documented in how soft he was with Derrick Caracter despiute repeated violations...but then what do you expect...?
Many of the top coaches like Calipari, Huggins, Floyd, Pearl, Self, etc..recruit thugs, don't enforce discipline,
even get some help from sympathetic local law enforcement and prosecutors to make sure the kids stay out of jail and stay eligible,
then they go out and make it to the Sweet Sixteen or Final Four -
proving that doing things the WRONG still pays off if you're willing to wear the reputation of recuiting thugs and criminals.
Sure - some programs implode with the thuggery (Binghamton just did, Baylor did, and Kansas & Tennessee are coming desperately close)
but just like pros who use steroids, they appear willing to take the risks because of the huge payoffs!
Braves4Life
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I hope you've put a downside stop on this stock Rick. It's down 8% since your post and I'm afraid will go lower. According to this article (C) may not be as well off as you suggest....... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/business/16citi.html?partner=yahoofinance
I'm only down 8 cents per share on my averaged in position, if it had been up that day I would have sold it and made about $2000. I always sell when I'm up and that's no lie. About a 90% winning percentage doing that, which I wish the Braves had. And I'm not a big time investor. Something I do during the day to supplement SS.
If your intention in posting that was to make me feel bad, I don't. You could research other articles too. CAT reports tomorrow and I hope they do great, they've certainly been great for Bradley.
If your intention in posting that was to make me feel bad, I don't. You could research other articles too. CAT reports tomorrow and I hope they do great, they've certainly been great for Bradley.
Braves4Life
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Nope. Just to inform
. I hope you make enough extra "side money" to do all the fun things you enjoy. And CAT? That's a stock I like. Up big today which means earnings should be goodNope. Just to inform
I like CAT too, but what I really like is the market... Historically few people outperform the market, even professional stock brokers, because they have costs and tend to average out... so the costs pull down their returns. Index Funds all the way. But that's a discussion for another board...