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62 BU @ 68 siu...post game

one other quick note from the game

one other quick note from the game

SIU had two recruits at the game. I'm not sure that was a game for recruits to see.. it was on the ugly side.

But for those of you up on recruiting one kid was from Wyclift, IL.. and the other was from CBC .. a catholic school in St. Louis. I did not get either name.
 
Da Coach said:
The effort was very good tonight. The shots just weren't falling and too many missed free throws. It's very tough to play there, and the comeback had the SIU fans really fretting. The game was very physical, and that appeared to be SIU's game plan, and BU did not back down.
I think Bradley fans should be proud of this team, even though the results weren't what we wanted.
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How do you write stuff like this and make yourself believe it? the effort was very good? 20+ turnovers is very good????? 9-19 at the line is very good???? Was it a tough place to play for Drake and UNI who've already won there this season? But I know I can always count on the rays of sunshine from Da Coach!
 
None of us should be surprised

None of us should be surprised

Nobody who's remotely familiar with this year's BU team (without Warren) should be surprised by the outcome of this game. We've talked ad-nauseum about how this team doesn't shoot well from the perimeter OR have offensive weapons in the post. This means you must win games with defense, rebounding and effort. When you don't play exemplary defense (like the isu game in Peoria) you lose. No shock here.

Having said that...BU has proven that they can beat anybody in the league on any given night. BU is still in the hunt. We get a chance to bring UNI down to earth Wednesday. This is going to be a dog-fight till the end.
 
chitown fanatic said:
How do you write stuff like this and make yourself believe it? the effort was very good? 20+ turnovers is very good????? 9-19 at the line is very good???? Was it a tough place to play for Drake and UNI who've already won there this season? But I know I can always count on the rays of sunshine from Da Coach!
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Maybe you don't differentiate between effort and results, but that is simplistic. I never said 20 turnovers and 9-19 "is very good", did I?

I said the effort was very good, and anyone who was there could see that it was.

Here is Dave Reynolds' quote-
For most of Sunday night’s Missouri Valley Conference game against Southern Illinois, Bradley put forth a more-than-acceptable effort.

So I guess you don't think Dave knows what he's talking about? And I guess you think it is easy winning at SIU?

I know if I want to see what Chitown Fanatic thinks about this team, I have to wait until the team loses and then check the board for his rips.
 
Da Coach said:
Maybe you don't differentiate between effort and results, but that is simplistic. I never said 20 turnovers and 9-19 "is very good", did I?

I said the effort was very good, and anyone who was there could see that it was.

Here is Dave Reynolds' quote-
For most of Sunday night??™s Missouri Valley Conference game against Southern Illinois, Bradley put forth a more-than-acceptable effort.

So I guess you don't think Dave knows what he's talking about? And I guess you think it is easy winning at SIU?

I know if I want to see what Chitown Fanatic thinks about this team, I have to wait until the team loses and then check the board for his rips.
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I'm just calling them as I see em and I post plenty after wins as well. I didn't come on here last night and rip the team either. I simply responded to yet another kool-aid drinking post that refuses to acknowledge realities of our team and would rather focus on being "proud" of them as you stated. And yes, more times than not, effort leads to results- they go hand in hand. careless turnovers and 17 points in a half are not good effort, even if Dave Reynolds thinks it is.
 
As Dave Reynolds said, the effort was very good, and maybe cpacmel doesn't differentiate between that and results either. Most coaches and people who follow basketball do. No team is going to win every game, especially in a tough road environment.
Are you surprised that with the best shooter out that this team struggles from the perimeter? Didn't you predict this team would be middle of the pack, yet they are contending for the lead in the MVC?

I just accept that there will always be people who enjoy finding fault and ripping their team rather than supporting them. Only I expect it from ISU fans.
 
Without reading through every single post here, I'll give some quick thoughts on the game.

Obviously, free throw shooting was terrible and you won't win many road games by shooting them at a rate of 47%.

Someone other than TW needs to "want" to shoot the ball and look to score. Dodie does as well, but he's not a starter.

I really like SM better when he's not at the point. This seemed to be the biggest problem I saw while watching the game. It seemed like he tried driving to the basket way too much and getting stuck in the lane. Granted, defense has something to do with it, but he needs to be looking to shoot 3's more than driving to the basket. One 3PT attempt in 29 minutes is not a good sign in my opinion.

Why did McCain only play 6 1/2 minutes in the first half?

For the game, we outscored SIU 18-8 when Maniscalco was on the bench.
 
I think we're all kind of saying the same thing - Effort was good, could have been better. Road games are tough, so you've got to give the maximum effort the whole time. The head coach said as much.

Also, last night's game doesn't change what I think about this team and what they're capable of. I think they're still playing to their strengths, and IMO overachieving considering the injuries they've sustained. I still expect this team to finish strong in league play and be a factor in St. Louis.
 
Da Coach said:
As Dave Reynolds said, the effort was very good, and maybe cpacmel doesn't differentiate between that and results either. Most coaches and people who follow basketball do. No team is going to win every game, especially in a tough road environment.
Are you surprised that with the best shooter out that this team struggles from the perimeter? Didn't you predict this team would be middle of the pack, yet they are contending for the lead in the MVC?

I just accept that there will always be people who enjoy finding fault and ripping their team rather than supporting them. Only I expect it from ISU fans.
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An honest, heart-felt critique of your team's performance doesn't mean you're not "supporting" your team. We're all doing our beloved BU a disservice when we choose to only emphasize the positive. We, as intelligent, passionate fans, should hold our team accountable. Mindless, profane, emotional "ripping" of the team is another story. That's not constructive at all.
 
One more thing.......

Taylor Brown only playing 3 minutes explains a lot about this loss too, but not when it comes to the players! ;)
 
chitown fanatic said:
I'm just calling them as I see em and I post plenty after wins as well.
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Not true. I checked your past posts, you posted only twice after Bradley beat SIU in the MVC opener 12/29: The first one was a conciliatory post about being wrong http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=106829#post106829 The second was a justification of why you complain about the team http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=106987#post106987 After Bradley beat Wichita State on the road 12/31, you didn't post at all about the game. Then after Bradley beat Missouri State on the road 1/3, you posted only once in the next 4 days, and not about the game, but only to explain why you disappear for days after a win:http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=108558#post108558 Then after the big win against Illinois State on 1/6, you posted only twice, once the next day to say you were glad an ISU fan got "jobbed" by the ticket office: http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=109835#post109835 and once to chime in on a long discussion about a disputed call in the game: http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=109838#post109838 and after the last win at Indiana State on 1/13, you posted this one very short post in which,despite the win, you take a shot at the free throwing: http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=111311#post111311
 
BU Bill said:
Not true. I checked your past posts, you posted only twice after Bradley beat SIU in the MVC opener 12/29: The first one was a conciliatory post about being wrong http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=106829#post106829 The second was a justification of why you complain about the team http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=106987#post106987 After Bradley beat Wichita State on the road 12/31, you didn't post at all about the game. Then after Bradley beat Missouri State on the road 1/3, you posted only once in the next 4 days, and not about the game, but only to explain why you disappear for days after a win:http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=108558#post108558 Then after the big win against Illinois State on 1/6, you posted only twice, once the next day to say you were glad an ISU fan got "jobbed" by the ticket office: http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=109835#post109835 and once to chime in on a long discussion about a disputed call in the game: http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=109838#post109838 and after the last win at Indiana State on 1/13, you posted this one very short post in which,despite the win, you take a shot at the free throwing: http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=111311#post111311
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Wow Bill, I wish I had as much free time as you. You must be REALLY bored to find all my posts. I think you might want to add after the ISU win, I comment how a win is a win. And since you're the analyst, I back up some of my previous statements where I post positive and negative aspects about what I saw. I am an objective fan who tends to see and post both sides. Being positive just for positive's sake is pointless and annoying
 
cpacmel said:
I hope DaCoach doesn't take this the wrong way, but his opinion is always with a positive spin though. I think he would admit as much. Two people can see the exact same incident, but have 2 very different opinions of it.
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This is all based on a person's perspective. If you always look for the negative side of things, you would think my "opinion is always with a positive spin".
Many fans agree with me on most things, judging by the PMs I get.

I would ask this question of those who think I am overly positive- After Andrew Warren went down, and especially after Will Egolf was injured, removing 2 starters, how many people thought Bradley would still be good enough to have 3 wins out of their first 4 road games, be 5-2 and contending for the league lead, and have an RPI of 60? Not a lot.


Well, I did. And I guess that makes me the realist with the accurate insight, and the others pessimists.
 
AE Braves Fan said:
There was one play with Bradley on offense and the ball got tipped into the backcourt - Sam Maniscalco had at least 5 feet on Justin Bocot, yet Bocot hustled and dove for the ball and knocked it off of SamM and out of bounds. I've never seen this lack of hustle from SamM before.
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That play was right in front of me, and Sam had to turn around and reverse his momentum to go after the ball. Bocot was already moving in the direction of the ball and dived at it. Sam didn't have the luxury to be able to dive to get to get to the ball, or he wouldn't have been able to do anything but knock it out of bounds or into the backcourt which would have been a turnover anyway.
Sam really plays hard, sometimes to a fault. I wish we had 10 more of him.
 
Da Coach said:
That play was right in front of me, and Sam had to turn around and reverse his momentum to go after the ball. Bocot was already moving in the direction of the ball and dived at it. Sam didn't have the luxury to be able to dive to get to get to the ball, or he wouldn't have been able to do anything but knock it out of bounds or into the backcourt which would have been a turnover anyway.
Sam really plays hard, sometimes to a fault. I wish we had 10 more of him.
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I wasn't there and didn't see a replay, but you're probably right about their respective momentums causing that play to occur the way it did. I agree that Sam is definitely a hard worker - which is likely the reason that play stood out in my mind.
 
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