doesn't mean it's right??¦
Orr is not going to any more games and Samrt is suspended for 3??¦.seems like that it's about right in each case
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doesn't mean it's right??¦
Orr is not going to any more games and Samrt is suspended for 3??¦.seems like that it's about right in each case
The fan, Jeff Orr, has voluntarily said he will not attend any more games this season. And he admits he called Marcus Smart "a piece of crap", which he has apologized profusely for-
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...racial-slur-wont-attend-any-games-this-season
And, as you said, the Big 12 Conference has imposed a 3 game suspension on Marcus Smart for his actions-
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ys-marcus-smart-shove-texas-tech-fan/5340715/
But I am a bit perplexed why Marcus Smart and some of his teammates insisted last night that Jeff Orr hurled the "N-word" slur at him? They made a really big deal and accused the fan of a terrible racist insult. The investigation done by Texas Tech, in which they "interviewed Orr, other fans, photographers and other personnel in the area" determined that he did not use any racial slur of any kind. I assume that if he really did use the abhorrent N-word, somebody, and there were many people as close or closer than Smart, would have heard it. But the investigation, as well as Jeff Orr himself, has determined that all that was said was "piece of crap". I am guessing that is said by thousands of fans at thousands of games every year. IMO, it is not a justification for the player attacking and pushing the fan.
There are still some race-baiting websites claiming this:
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2...st-coaches-fan-he-shoved-called-him-a-nigger/
http://footbasket.com/ncaab/marcus-smart-pushes-fan-in-oklahoma-st-texas-tech-game/
In fact, there are still websites claiming the fan used the N-word, even after the investigation determined he did not-
http://newsone.com/2872700/okla-sta...n-for-allegedly-calling-him-the-n-word-video/
I have trouble understanding how Marcus Smart could have heard things that were never said, and branded this fan a racist, when there is no evidence of that.
Well I doubt a fan would admit he used the N word??¦??¦it seems that Orr suspending himself and Smart getting 3 games is about right??¦??¦??¦I don't know that any more should be made out of it??¦.both parties have apologized??¦.
But again, for the record and that's all I'll say, the University did a thorough investigation. They interviewed other fans near him, as well as photographers and others that were right there. I can't believe he's lying or there would be someone who would have heard him and would contradict him.
Also, this article mentions that there was another camera right under the basket that picked up the audio from the incident, and it seems to corroborate Orr's version, and not Smart's.-
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/09/4810177/theres-blame-to-go-around-in-marcus.html
But Sunday, just after Smart spoke without taking questions at a news conference, Tech issued a statement denying any racial slur was expressed.
This from Orr, after his apology: “… I want to make it known that I did not use a racial slur of any kind.”
Tech also supplied video footage from a camera set up under the basket that Smart crashed into. The camera follows Smart after going down and picks up audio that seems to support Orr’s claim.
Dub
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Racial slurs are taboo in this country, and for good reason. I'd just like to point out that calling someone a piece of crap is actually worse than calling someone a racial slur. Using a racial slur implies that you feel your particular race of human beings is superior to another's. Calling a human being a piece of crap is worse because you're saying to they aren't human, or even an animal... They're a piece of waste material. The national conversation on this incident seems to imply that it's no big deal to call someone a piece of crap.... that at least he didn't use a racial slur. I'm just sayin.
Well the two really aren't comparable??¦all you have to do is watch them??¦people can compare anything if they want .
Interesting article about fan behavior in the paper today. Some quotes by Dana Altman and others regarding fan behavior. This type of behavior is getting worse and not better??¦players and coaches getting spit on, throwing things at them??¦.heck if it wasn't a concern why do police or security usher the opposing team to their locker room???¦I don't believe Smart handled it right for one
second but I also don't believe that fans have the right to say whatever they want just because they paid for a ticket to get into the game. Orr apologized, took responsibility and said he's not going so I'll take him at his word that he won't be there??¦??¦if you are going to take his word for what he said then you need to take his word he won't go.
I don't have a problem fans calling a coach or a player a whiner or complainer but do they have the right to call the opposition a piece of crap??¦.I have heard this from our own fans a few times over the years(only they didn't say crap) and it doesn't sound good at all??¦and I know there have been worse elsewhere but that doesn't make it right??¦..by the way that fan doesn't go anymore which is fine with me??¦..
tornado
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players & coaches - as well as visiting fans wearing the opponents' colors - were routinely spit on, subjected to verbal abuse & obscenities, had drinks tossed at them, and even physically assaulted back in the 1970's, 1980's, & 1990's at some schools in the MVC - and their fans even held it all as a matter of their pride.
Visiting fans just learned not to sit in certain sections, avoid identifying yourself as an opponent fan, or just don't go...which is what we did for more than a decade until they hired an admin that confronted such hooligan behavior..** -- **
Visiting fans just learned not to sit in certain sections, avoid identifying yourself as an opponent fan, or just don't go...which is what we did for more than a decade until they hired an admin that confronted such hooligan behavior..** -- **
Our group used to go to all the ISU games at Horton and was usually treated poorly because of our Bradley wear. Once, a student usher deliberately told us our sears were in an area where we had to go down to the playing floor to get there, when our seats were way up high. He laughed as we came back up to our seats. A local Peoria area Mayor now and myself were once told in the restroom that we had a lot of guts wearing Bradley sweaters to a game in Normal. Quit going there a long time ago. ISUblue fans were 100% the opposite.
I have had similar experiences at ILSU back in the 1980's. Bradley fans were routinely spit on and had garbage and vulgarities hurled at them back in the Donewald days and he encouraged it. Their fans treated fans from other MVC schools like that as well, though not as bad. Unfortunately that reputation still lives, even though things have changed a lot, and in recent years Bradley fans usually only get mean looks and an occasional mild insult.
bradleyfan124
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Why would that Orr ding dong have to say anything? Leave the player alone to play the game
Buesch N Chips
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Seems like Mr. Orr wants this to go away as soon as possible, maybe so people don't investigate further?
Maybe it's just because he seems like a truly dedicated fan and is remorseful that he has taken the spotlight away from the team. I don't see that he's done anything that wrong. And btw, an investigation was already concluded by TTU that determine just that. Who else would be investigating?
Another facet of this story is the effect it will have on Oklahoma State. They went 12-1 in the non-conference schedule, and it seemed like a given that they were an NCAA team , possibly even a contender in the Big 12.
But they have greatly underachieved in Big 12 conference play. Oklahoma State lost again last night to Texas for their 5th loss in a row to go to 4-7 in the Big 12, and are clearly a bubble team right now. Marcus Smart, their All American leader, will miss 2 more games due to his suspension (vs. Oklahoma and at Baylor). Plus they have tough games left vs.Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and texas tech. This incident has hurt their at-large chances.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400498390
But they have greatly underachieved in Big 12 conference play. Oklahoma State lost again last night to Texas for their 5th loss in a row to go to 4-7 in the Big 12, and are clearly a bubble team right now. Marcus Smart, their All American leader, will miss 2 more games due to his suspension (vs. Oklahoma and at Baylor). Plus they have tough games left vs.Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and texas tech. This incident has hurt their at-large chances.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400498390
Here is one more bizarre incident of bad fan behavior-
In a Big West game between UC Santa Barbara and hawaii, the Hawaii coach Gib Arnold is called for a technical foul for arguing a call, then a UCSB student comes running down out of the stands, crosses the court, and gets right into the face of Arnold and taunts him. He continues to taunt some of the hwaii players, then runs back into the stands. As he is taken away by security people, he continues to make taunting gestures toward the offciials, and other people. What a moron. His parents have to be awfully proud of their college son!
Video here-
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...an-confronts-hawaii-warriors-coach-gib-arnold
In a Big West game between UC Santa Barbara and hawaii, the Hawaii coach Gib Arnold is called for a technical foul for arguing a call, then a UCSB student comes running down out of the stands, crosses the court, and gets right into the face of Arnold and taunts him. He continues to taunt some of the hwaii players, then runs back into the stands. As he is taken away by security people, he continues to make taunting gestures toward the offciials, and other people. What a moron. His parents have to be awfully proud of their college son!
Video here-
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...an-confronts-hawaii-warriors-coach-gib-arnold
tornado
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lots of talk about revamping rules & protocol after that incident...
but nobody got hurt and there's really no way short of putting basketball games back in cages that would fully prevent fans from running onto the court anyway.
Just haul the guy to jail and impose severe penalties against him - that's the best deterrent...but if you watch that video - nobody reacted at all - the unruly fan walked calmly back to his seat then after a while was gently escorted out of the arena!
they should have knock him down, used a stun gun if necessary, handcuffed the guy, and thrown him in the paddywagon!
This says the blame is "social media" (twitter, message boards?) that has allowed stupid, disgruntled, bickering fans to think they are far more important than they really are..
hmmm... I think he is on to something...
http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/john-rooke-thinking-out-loud127/
but nobody got hurt and there's really no way short of putting basketball games back in cages that would fully prevent fans from running onto the court anyway.
Just haul the guy to jail and impose severe penalties against him - that's the best deterrent...but if you watch that video - nobody reacted at all - the unruly fan walked calmly back to his seat then after a while was gently escorted out of the arena!
they should have knock him down, used a stun gun if necessary, handcuffed the guy, and thrown him in the paddywagon!
This says the blame is "social media" (twitter, message boards?) that has allowed stupid, disgruntled, bickering fans to think they are far more important than they really are..
hmmm... I think he is on to something...
http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/john-rooke-thinking-out-loud127/
All that would do is make the fan rich.