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Altman Staying?

Da Coach said:
Is Dana Altman now considered the longest tenured coach in the MVC? The way I see it, since he left and returned, his tenure reverts back to zero! :roll:

That makes Barry Hinson the "Dean of MVC coaches".
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I'm actually ok with Dana coming back 'cause we're gonna heckle the hell outta him next year for this. :D
 
Da Coach said:
Is Dana Altman now considered the longest tenured coach in the MVC? The way I see it, since he left and returned, his tenure reverts back to zero! :roll:

That makes Barry Hinson the "Dean of MVC coaches".
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Since he didn't technically miss coaching any of the games (or any part of a season for that matter), I would still consider him the "Dean of MVC coaches".

But Barry could at least live with the fact that he was the "Dean" for a day! :wink:
 
Dana is still the dean. What if he took a leave of absence? He miss any games or practices, he had a moment of indecision and came back to where his heart was. This happens with married couples from time to time, but they don't declare their marriage 'over', just a rocky time that they overcame. I see this as Dana having a moment of doubt, and coming to the RIGHT decision.

Great day for the MVC - the top 5 coaches remain intact, keeping the league strong as ever. Next year may be a slightly 'down' year, but with our top coaches returning, it won't last long. Power conferences retain their top coaches...we are a power conference! The proof is in the pudding!
 
Braves4Life said:
tornado said:
Da Coach said:
These articles suggest he was hired as the Arkansas coach for 1 day, then quit to return to Creighton to resume the job there.

http://timesunion.com/AspStories/st...ry=Sports&BCCode=SPORTSMAIN&newsdate=4/3/2007
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then that technically means he is a new hire at creighton and that makes Jim Les the 3rd most senior coach in the Valley behind Hinson and Turgeon.
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I wonder if he got paid for that one day? :lol:
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Let's see ... what was it, 1.5 mil? 1.5 mil/ 365 = $4100.
I'm sure Dana will be expecting a check.
 
tornado said:
Da Coach said:
These articles suggest he was hired as the Arkansas coach for 1 day, then quit to return to Creighton to resume the job there.

http://timesunion.com/AspStories/st...ry=Sports&BCCode=SPORTSMAIN&newsdate=4/3/2007
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then that technically means he is a new hire at creighton and that makes Jim Les the 3rd most senior coach in the Valley behind Hinson and Turgeon.
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I guess I ask what the definition of 'The Dean' is. Is it longest overall time spent as a head coach in the league, or longest consecutive time spent as a head coach in the league? I guess I view it as more the former than the latter. For example, if someone is a captain in the military and leaves the service for a few years, then returns, they don't start over again at private. Same thing in just about any business - especially if they're only gone for 1 day.

And to address another item that has been harped moreso on the 'other' board than here, but that is the question of professionalism. IMO, from what I have heard, Dana did not do anything unprofessional in having a change of heart. Now, obviously I don't know all of the details, but as long as it was handled respectfully, and in an honest, face-to-face manner, there was no wrongdoing. If anything, Arkansas perhaps may have rushed a bit in making the announcement and holding the press conference. I have friends and colleagues in several lines of work who have accepted jobs and then had second thoughts. What would have been less professional would have been for Dana to take the job, and in a month come to this conclusion. In a business where coaches can lose their jobs at the drop of a hat, I don't think there's anything wrong with the way Dana went about things the past couple of days.
 
Great take on the situation from an Arkansas site regarding this whole event...I think Mr. Broyles should just retire now instead of at year's end.

Bacon Bits - We Are No Longer Mediocre...We Are Broken
Volume LVIII
April 2, 2007

The sports gods have been playing jokes on us. A dramatic plot has
unfolded over the last few months that even Tom Clancy would be proud
of.

And it climaxed today, at least one hopes, in the sudden resignation of
new coach Dana Altman. This happened just hours after he called the
Hogs, albeit poorly, at the press conference announcing his hire.

I really don't know what to say. There is no way to ease the
embarrassment that this year has been, much less the spotlight on our
rejection from a coach who likely was in double digits on the list of
targets.

Make no mistake Razorback Nation, this is a very deep problem. Despite
what Dana Altman may say over the coming days, the real reason he had a
"change of heart" has less to do with his fondness for Creighton than
the upset stomach our program gave him as he began digging into his
future team here at Arkansas.

Lavish praise on Frank Broyles if you would like for our fantastic
facilities, but whatever you do don't fail for one minute to recognize
that he was absent at one of the most critical junctions of a coaching
transition. It was apparent to all involved that Altman would have a
difficult time making the transition from Omaha, Nebraska to
Fayetteville, Arkansas. And despite the fact that he held a press
conference yesterday - this hire, like all coaching hires, isn't
completed until the ink dries on a new contract.

So where was our illustrious leader today when Altman sat down to
review
the contract? Why in Augusta, of course. His little pastime of golf was
more important to him than a seamless transition for Coach Altman into
the program.

In the class "Closings 101" everyone learns that you hold hands and
cuddle all the way to the end. But alas, bent grass fairways were a
priority for Frank, not the University of Arkansas.

Can you imagine Chancellor White's disdain at taking Altman through
these precarious final steps without the salesman by his side? If you
don't think he's chapped at Frank look no further than his abrupt
announcement that a search firm would be hired in lieu of Frank's
expertise in the wake of this debacle. In the immortal words of Donald
Trump...Frank - YOU'RE FIRED!

Friends, something is wrong in Fayetteville. Frank and his posse can
keep telling us to look the other way but when a coach commits career
suicide by backing out of a move after accepting the job there's only
one thing that should be obvious to us all. Our basketball program has
some serious problems. Problems that should have been evident enough to
our AD that he disclosed them during the sales pitch.

My guess is Altman found some things out that had he known on the front
end would have kept him from ever accepting the position. We'll likely
never know what these issues were. Maybe he's protecting players by not
divulging what he found. Maybe he has enough integrity to leave and not
publicly blame. I wasn't crazy about his coaching record, but I was
enamored by his obvious honesty and character.

So where does that leave us? We're now about to re-embark on a coaching
search that will no way include "grand-slam" candidates. We will be
very
lucky to get a decent mid-major coach to come here. In addition to the
basketball issues our football program is on the precipice of being
exposed for the sham we know it to be. And all the while, Nero fiddles
on lush courses a thousand miles away.

Sometimes in order to fix things, they have to completely break first.
And sometimes this breaking has to be painful on a grand scale.
Unfortunately, that is where we are at. National media is touting
Creighton's superiority to the U of A. And if you aren't embarrassed
and
shocked by this, well you're not breathing.

The time has come for a reckoning. We will be given penance for years
of
gross mismanagement and cover-ups on the hill. This penance will
include
hiring lesser coaches and bringing in lesser talent...in both the
football and basketball programs. Our Board of Trustees has a simple
choice. We can either embrace the continuance of good-ole-boy
governance, of ignoring elephants in the corners of our rooms, or we
can
make a clean sweep of our athletic department by outright firing the
people who have gotten us in this mess and moving on.

To the Trustees I submit the following. I am at the end of my rope as a
Razorback fan. The noose around this fan's neck has been tightened by
constant lies, vendettas and unprofessionalism. I have been cheated on
and abused. The program I have long supported has been mocking me for
years now. I am wise to it and nothing short of wholesale change will
ever bring me back. I think I speak for thousands who feel the same.

The dawn of a new age is coming. In this new age my passions will be
directed somewhere. You choose where they go.

Bacon out...
 
chitownBUB said:
Will Stinnett now de-decommit?
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I would guess that was one of the first phone calls Dana made when he got back to Omaha, and probably laid it on pretty thick with the 'I came back for you' schtick.

I wonder how the NCAA would rule on such a thing? I don't think you can get out of the LOI unless the coach leaves, and he only left for a day. My guess is that Stinnett will still be a Bluejay.
 
Jay Feely and Skip Bayless rip on Altman on Cold Pizza's First and 10 comparing him to a committed recruit who has signed a LOI. Really though he was far more like a verbal commit, but they never change there minds. Right U of I fans?
 
amckillip said:
Jay Feely and Skip Bayless rip on Altman on Cold Pizza's First and 10 comparing him to a committed recruit who has signed a LOI. Really though he was far more like a verbal commit, but they never change there minds. Right U of I fans?
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I wonder if they ripped their ESPN colleague Rick Majerus when he did the same thing 2 years ago with USC...I doubt that they did.
 
BradleyBrave said:
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I wonder how the NCAA would rule on such a thing? I don't think you can get out of the LOI unless the coach leaves, and he only left for a day. My guess is that Stinnett will still be a Bluejay.
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There seems to be some debate as to whether P'Allen Stinnett has signed any LOI....
Last fall, it was reported that he did sign a LOI, but ever since then, there have been numerous reports that he did NOT.

Note in all the reports, that they state he has verballed, but nobody ever actually reports he signed a LOI, so I would have to believe he still has not, and can change his mind any time.
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?PRKey=3&sport=2&pr_key=29091
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=7&p=9&c=2&cid=585760&nid=1909141&fhn=1

and Van Coleman's profile clearly states he is a verbal only, no LOI.

But also....in some discussion on the Creighton message boards, several posters say he was expelled from the prep school/high school he was attending (Brewster Academy) and still has not graduated, which would, of course, void his letter of intent anyway.

Note these comments on "the Blue Jay Cafe":

"I noticed that P'Allen hasn't been listed in the most recent Brewster game summaries online. Is he injured?"

"Is there any questions surrounding his commitment?"

"rivals still has him as committed, but doesn't say he Signed Letter of Intent, like the other commits."

"I heard something today that P'Allen has dropped out of Brewster."

"I emailed the academy, and the response I received was that he is not injured, but he is no longer enrolled at the academy. I hope he graduates from somewhere..."

"P'Allen Stinnett was expelled from the prep school he was attending"

"I attended the NEPSAC playoffs and was told by multiple sources that P'Allen was expelled from the school."

"P'Allen did not leave on his own, and was told he had to leave. He had been in trouble beforehand at the school as well..."

http://thebluejaycafe.com/BB/viewtopic.php?t=4567&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=135


So, I guess nobody really knows, and we'll have to wait and see.
The generally reliable Lincoln Jay from the Creighton message boards says he is still committed to CU and will be there in the fall.
 
Bayless

Bayless

BradleyBrave said:
amckillip said:
Jay Feely and Skip Bayless rip on Altman on Cold Pizza's First and 10 comparing him to a committed recruit who has signed a LOI. Really though he was far more like a verbal commit, but they never change there minds. Right U of I fans?
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I wonder if they ripped their ESPN colleague Rick Majerus when he did the same thing 2 years ago with USC...I doubt that they did.
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Not surprising coming from Skippy. I really hate that jerk (yes, I know hate is a strong word)! He is such a mean-spirited, b!tc&y @ss!
 
BradleyBrave said:
Dana is still the dean. What if he took a leave of absence? He miss any games or practices, he had a moment of indecision and came back to where his heart was. This happens with married couples from time to time, but they don't declare their marriage 'over', just a rocky time that they overcame. I see this as Dana having a moment of doubt, and coming to the RIGHT decision.

Great day for the MVC - the top 5 coaches remain intact, keeping the league strong as ever. Next year may be a slightly 'down' year, but with our top coaches returning, it won't last long. Power conferences retain their top coaches...we are a power conference! The proof is in the pudding!
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Couldnt agree more. People are blasting him. Get over it folks. Ever change your mind? Its easy for some to criticse others but when THEY do it it can be explained away.

Dana is no sleaze bag low life coach. I HATE him as a rival :wink: but he is a class guy. Good for him and for the Valley.

What happens had he stayed at Arkansas but was never really happy. Ark. fans should be relieved he made his decision now instead of half way through the year or something.
 
Some of the rumors involve Dana quickly findout out about some recruiting practices at Arkansas that he wanted NO PART of, and so he changed his mind and declined the job.
If we don't know all the truth, then it is hard to judge......
 
tornado said:
Some of the rumors involve Dana quickly findout out about some recruiting practices at Arkansas that he wanted NO PART of, and so he changed his mind and declined the job.
If we don't know all the truth, then it is hard to judge......
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This is what I've been finding around as well, which makes what he did even more classy. Rather than calling out Arkansas for their problems he took the high road and put the blame on himself.
 
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