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tornado
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I do believe there are strong arguments that bias does exist...and I am not the only one who has said so...
I feel the facts as they have been presented are self-evident..........
I have never said 100% of all actions by NCAA are biased towards Bradley - although other long time observers, writers, and commentators have offered the same opinion that many smaller schools, mid-majors, etc. are disproportionately investigated and hammered.
Who at the NCAA makes this anti-Bradley decision? I mean, hasn't this sentiment been going on for 25+ years now? The NCAA is an organization with hundreds and hundreds of employees. Many of the employees are turning over all the time. NCAA Presidents have changed hands time and time again.
It doesn't make sense for there to be an organization wide conspiracy against a certain school or against mid-majors in general. Who would make and enfoce such a policy? What individual at the NCAA? If anyone understands how the NCAA office is run, setup, etc. then they would realize a theory like this makes little sense. It would be impossible, really.
tornado
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but the decisions that affect schools are generally made by or "swung" by a handful of members on rules committees, investigations committees, and and enforcement committees.
I sense you are acting a bit skeptical...but just what organization nowadays ISN'T a bit slanted and biased...they need to protect their own interests..
we know all the major news networks are, as are many state organizations, unions, and other groups of people that affect our lives daily.
I would propose, that it's far less likely they ARE fair and unbiased given such an incredible competitiveness and urge to win at any and every level...
Just look at the rampant cheating, lying, dishonesty, and the amounts of cash to be gained by doing so....
So how can it be a stretch that the NCAA, which thrives on literally BILLIONS of dollars of revenue, wouldn't want to act to protect their own interests?
And why wouldn't they want to put the right people in the right position to make it happen?
I know what I have seen and heard & what I believe...you're free to believe otherwise....
I sense you are acting a bit skeptical...but just what organization nowadays ISN'T a bit slanted and biased...they need to protect their own interests..
we know all the major news networks are, as are many state organizations, unions, and other groups of people that affect our lives daily.
I would propose, that it's far less likely they ARE fair and unbiased given such an incredible competitiveness and urge to win at any and every level...
Just look at the rampant cheating, lying, dishonesty, and the amounts of cash to be gained by doing so....
So how can it be a stretch that the NCAA, which thrives on literally BILLIONS of dollars of revenue, wouldn't want to act to protect their own interests?
And why wouldn't they want to put the right people in the right position to make it happen?
I know what I have seen and heard & what I believe...you're free to believe otherwise....
We agree on a lot of stuff. The NCAA certainly isn't on the up and up. As you say, they have their own interests to protect and their pocketbooks. Agreed. I also realize that they look the other way on a lot of stuff.
However, I don't think they are trying to "get" certain schools like Bradley. That makes no sense. Do they treat some schools differently than others? Yes. For sure. But there isn't a secret "Bradley" file at the NCAA headquarters.
There are certainly the haves and the have nots. Bradley gets treated like the rest of the have nots--but it isn't singled out by anyone or anything in Indy.
Dallas Brave
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NCAA = morally bankrupt institution
Paraphrasing Mark Cuban, I wouldn't trust the NCAA to manage the local Dairy Queen
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/jason-whitlock-expose-ncaa-not-reggie-bush-072210
"Television and money perverted college football and basketball a generation ago. Coaches and administrators are making millions. The athletes are being compensated in a currency (a shot at a compromised education in their spare time) many of them don’t respect and haven’t been properly prepared to use. The NCAA takes most of the money generated by football and men’s basketball and invests it in welfare sports that don’t generate a dollar and are played mostly by kids who have nothing in common with the football and basketball players who produced the revenue."
Paraphrasing Mark Cuban, I wouldn't trust the NCAA to manage the local Dairy Queen
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/jason-whitlock-expose-ncaa-not-reggie-bush-072210
"Television and money perverted college football and basketball a generation ago. Coaches and administrators are making millions. The athletes are being compensated in a currency (a shot at a compromised education in their spare time) many of them don’t respect and haven’t been properly prepared to use. The NCAA takes most of the money generated by football and men’s basketball and invests it in welfare sports that don’t generate a dollar and are played mostly by kids who have nothing in common with the football and basketball players who produced the revenue."
Dallas Brave
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Whitlock's article references Walter Byers' book, "Unsportsmanlike Conduct: Exploiting College Athletes," which I had not heard of before.
Here is the amazon.com summary of Byers' book
http://www.amazon.com/Unsportsmanli...1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1279826876&sr=8-1-fkmr1
Editorial Reviews
From Publishers Weekly
The most shocking feature of this expose of American college athletic programs is that it comes from the man who oversaw those programs as executive director of the NCAA from 1951 to 1986. Written with freelancer Hammer, Byers's depiction is a uniformly dismal one principally regarding football and, to a lesser degree, basketball. At the top of the heap are college presidents, whom Byers terms ``world-weary cynics'' and who hold their jobs for relatively short periods compared with tenured faculty members; then there are head coaches, often greedy self-promoters, and their ever-expanding staffs, who take a huge bite out of athletic budgets; at the bottom are the athletes, who actually earn the money but get nothing in return, least of all a good education. Byers points out the sham of calling a multibillion-dollar industry ``amateur,'' but, in a disappointing conclusion, he stops short of advocating salaries for players, proposing instead an unrealistic program of increased job opportunities for athletes. In his nostalgia for the days when academics ruled the campus, Byers comes across as a man of high principles who appears to have expended his energy on a useless cause. Photos not seen by PW.
Copyright 1995 Cahners Business Information, Inc.
It's a nasty thing, and I agree... Education, sadly, seemingly has little do with it. It's not that a kid can't get an education on a basketball scholarship, it's just that that's not really what it's about for most of the parties involved. I sometimes think it would be better just to pay them and get it over with. Additionally, that would be one avenue to maybe building a pro basketball system similar to the Football Association in England.
tornado
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well, likely the proof will never convince everyone, but check this out...just a few thoughts that agree entirely with what most people see..
--83% of people believe the NCAA does NOT fairly investigate and evaluate infractions, and fails to issue appropriate penalties.
83%!!!!!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...of-fair-treatment-of-infractions-or-sanctions
--"Recent reports have shown that the NCAA is unfair when it comes to some infraction findings and sanctions."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/425064-8-solutions-to-fix-the-ncaa-and-improve-college-football
--"Infractions Committee representatives have a conflict of interest because their college could benefit if sanctions are issued to the targeted college."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-the-ncaa-and-improve-college-football#page/8
RedSeaElite1
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I love the way Football is run in England, but i dont know how well it would work here because of college athletics. If we dropped the NCAA and let the NBA and NFL work things out i'm sure we could come up with a system, but it would be costly to the professional leagues. With soccer you can see tallent at a young age and work with the player as he develops, but with football and basketball kids need to mature before teams will know if they want them or not because size is a much bigger issue in football and basketball than soccer. I'd love to see it happen, but i'm not sure how it would work... just my $0.02
Well as far as basketball goes you have 350 some teams in Div I... If you drop pretenses of the teams being academic and transition them intona pro setting then you break them into 20-24 team leagues to form your pyramids. It'd be a huge change but that and MLB are the only two avenues to a league pyramid. American football has no chance and I don't think the sport itself really lends itself to the concept.