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Basket Brawl in China

Southside said:
That escalated quick and it seemed to be instigated by the Chinese. Several of the Hoya players were being ganged up on 2 or 3 to 1. If you were there would you just stay on the bench and let your teammates get pummeled? It's not like in the U.S. where there might be pushing and shoving or a few punches, those Chinese players rushed the court instantly and were stomping Hoya players.
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I'm with you. I'd love to hurl insults at Gtown, but this incident was far more China's fault. Teams apparently need to be very careful who they play internationally.

Way to jump to conclusions before seeing video.
 
FWIW it does look like first - we miss the whole first 30 minutes of the game and don't know how the action might have set the stage..
then on one single play where the two players get their legs tangled in the backcourt going for the loose ball,
the kicking and fighting begins - and at least a dozen Chinese players were the frist ones to race to the fight and join in.
That left the initial Georgetown player pretty helpless when he was being mobbed by a dozen opponents...
and undoubtedly the Chinese guys were the greater thugs ..ganging up and pummelling Hoya players...

The Georgetown players then came running in and it was about equal after that...so maybe a little more blame on the Chinese but absolutely
NO excuse for the Hoyas picking up chairs and swinging fists as they did...
JTIII did whatever he could and issued a nice statement but I still feel so strongly that in game fights must be deterred and very severe penalties must be doled out.
I discount any whining about the Chinese guys starting it because that's virtually never a consideration when BOTH teams are fighting as they did.
Also on the extreme classless list are those Cjhinese fans who threw objects at the players.

One really funny thing - just about a minute into that first video - a uniformed security guard can be seen rushing AWAY from all the fighting and apparently
trying to get out of the arena!! LOL

The Bayi Rockets do have one ex-NBA player - Wang ZhiZhi
http://www.asia-basket.com/team.asp?Cntry=China&Team=2475&Page=1
 
tornado said:
..... at least a dozen Chinese players were the frist ones to race to the fight and join in.
That left the initial Georgetown player pretty helpless when he was being mobbed by a dozen opponents...
and undoubtedly the Chinese guys were the greater thugs ..ganging up and pummelling Hoya players....
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One takeaway...... American players are SO into posturing and machismo when it comes to these sports fights......be it basketball, baseball, or football...... it's all about NOT being disrespected in front of fans and cameras. To many foreign players a fight means a FIGHT...... No messing around. I think in this case the Georgetown players unknowingly bit off more than they could chew.
 
Another new video of this brawl emerges -- much clearer and from a better angle -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fLNUCVlWG0

and anyone recall this??
Just last fall a Chinese team brawled with a Brazilian team --
China's gonna get the moniker "Basketbrawl capital of the world"
This is the game where American Bob Donewald, Jr. (son of the "legendary" ISU coach)
was the head coach of the Chinese team involved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdxMQwrAIQI

Donewald, Jr. has been in the news lately for some very vocal criticism of Chinese basketball officials...
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2011-08/11/content_13089847.htm

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he's also been a bit arrogant and rude to reporters..
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/kindle/2011-08/18/content_13139931.htm
 
"Chinese basketball fans slammed Bayi, which is owned by China's military, for its part in the brawl that forced the cancellation of a match intended to promote U.S.-China goodwill during Biden's visit."

"It was the latest instance of on-court fighting by China, whose players have been fined tens of thousands of dollars by the world and Asian federations for scrapping with opponents."

those are quotes from the following article...

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=14339925
 
you think the Americans are completely innocent?
One report said Georgetown center Moses Ayegba reportedly went after several Chinese players using a chair as a weapon.
 
tornado said:
you think the Americans are completely innocent?
One report said Georgetown center Moses Ayegba reportedly went after several Chinese players using a chair as a weapon.
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If attacked and outnumbered by players wielding chairs and feet I would have done the same. You can stand there and take it tornado...... not me! :)
 
Why would any true basketball fan have anything against Georgetown, that team with Patrick Ewing was fun to watch and that National Championship game...Georgetown vs. Villanova was one of the best ever, Villanova hardly missed a shot. I'll always take the side of any American team :)
 
T - So anti-USA here :confused: Gtown is representing our country and after facts and videos are out you still stick with your first thoughts?

In fact by all accounts is that the refs were calling a horrible game in favor of the Chinese military team and the Georgetown players acted out after receiving yet another hard foul. So what you are saying Americans should just stand around there and take a beating? I do not think anyone from anywhere should take a beating. Perhaps Gtown should have left the court before the fight started?
 
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From all the reports I have read, this brawl was precipitated 100% by the Chinese. I don"t understand why so many posters are shooting from the hip and immediately blaming G'Town!

Unless the Chinese put in some controls of some kind (Very unlikely), I feel the US should put a stop to these basketball trips to China for a period of time, perhaps a year or two.

I have traveled to China many, many times and IMO these"exchanges" have very little real world value.
 
wizard said:
.. this brawl was precipitated 100% by the Chinese....
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then you and I clearly see things differently...

I would urge you to watch again the FIRST few seconds of this video..esp. right as the game action begins -- just the first 6-8 seconds!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fLNUCVlWG0

As the Georgetown player is bringing the ball up to midcourt a Chinese player attempts to block his pass and makes contact with the Georgetown player...

the VERY first act of the Georgetown player is also the VERY first offensive move and first punch in this fight.
The Georgetown player responds to the contact with a swing of his fist right at the Chinese players face.

The roundhouse punch occurs only 6 seconds into this video so you may have missed it..but clearly it is the Georgetown player who initiates this melee.
Also - it was almost impossible to see the punch that started it all on the other video as it was at the extreme left almost off the screen.
 
tornado said:
then you and I clearly see things differently....
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Well apparently we do... The Georgetown player did shove the Chinese player to
start the altercation... I mean, with the foul count 57-13 or whatever it was, I would image
some frustration finally boiled over for a player who's team was continuously getting beat
up with no foul calls. The refs were clearly bias (same thing happened when Duke
played a Chinese team the same day- foul count was something like 4 or 5:1. Eventually
you just get so frustrated you overreact and push someone.

How many times do you see a shove or push in an NCAA or NBA game that DOES NOT
lead to an all out brawl. Just because the Georgetown player shoved the Chinese player
as the first "act", a shove to the face and a punch from behind is what the Georgetown
player got in return.

The refs lost control of the game long before that and deserve some blame in this as well.
I am not saying Georgetown players are in the "right" but Chinese players were 100% in
the WRONG... I can't believe this is still even being discussed after watching the
videos... Well, actually, yes I can since it seems to be only "t" on one side of the
argument...:roll:
 
Nacho said:
... I can't believe this is still even being discussed after watching the
videos... Well, actually, yes I can since it seems to be only "t" on one side of the
argument...:roll:
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Some people can never admit when they are clearly wrong....... even when 99% of the people see it exactly the opposite. smh
 
Have not chimed in yet so here goes...

The Chinese players are not 100% to blame...they carry to largest portion of the blame...but Georgetown can take a share as well...if you asked their players I think they would admit that...ok maybe not admit it publicly :)....

The officials probably have some blame coming their way and the coaches do to...

We don't know the whole story...but there is blame to spread around...
 
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