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Da Coach

Da Coach

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With a week to go in the regular season, ESPN's Joe Lunardi has both Drake and Indiana State in his brackets.
He has Drake as a 10-seed, and Indiana State as an 11-seed and playing in the First Four in Dayton. - https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/s...logy-2024-march-madness-men-field-predictions
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CBS Sports' Jerry Palm has Drake as an 11-seed, and Indiana State is out. - https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/
Oddly, among his last 4 in, he has Seton Hall (NET 62) and St. John's (NET 39).
Indiana State's NET is 29.
 
Da Coach said:
With a week to go in the regular season, ESPN's Joe Lunardi has both Drake and Indiana State in his brackets.
He has Drake as a 10-seed, and Indiana State as an 11-seed and playing in the First Four in Dayton. - https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/s...logy-2024-march-madness-men-field-predictions
Lunardi

CBS Sports' Jerry Palm has Drake as an 11-seed, and Indiana State is out. - https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/
Oddly, among his last 4 in, he has Seton Hall (NET 62) and St. John's (NET 39).
Indiana State's NET is 29.
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Ind. St. is a lot more deserving then Seton Hall period. Palm is a jack a-- and obviously does not like the Valley. I hate it that Petino is going to be back in the Tour. only because he is a terrible human being that can coach but has 0 character.
 
So sad "Stuck up" Indiana will decline an invitation to the NIT after knowing it won't qualify for NCAA! They were routed by Reink Mast's great Nebraska team last night!!! Maybe Indiana was scared to maybe play Indiana State? Either way a big letdown in the Hoosier State! I'm thinking if we had Reink this year, he hits those 3 pointers at end of Drake game and we win!!!! Oh well, just dreaming....tough to lose Reink but happy he'll get his NCAA tournament Chance!!!!!
 
Stevezall said:
So sad "Stuck up" Indiana will decline an invitation to the NIT after knowing it won't qualify for NCAA! They were routed by Reink Mast's great Nebraska team last night!!! Maybe Indiana was scared to maybe play Indiana State? Either way a big letdown in the Hoosier State! I'm thinking if we had Reink this year, he hits those 3 pointers at end of Drake game and we win!!!! Oh well, just dreaming....tough to lose Reink but happy he'll get his NCAA tournament Chance!!!!!
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It's not just Indiana. The teams from the Power 6 basketball conferences generally refuse to schedule any good mid-majors. They prefer to play the bottom teams in the NET ratings, and get rewarded by the formula for beating them by 30 points. How many other mid-major Illinois schools did Illinois play this year? (answer: zero)
 
Da Coach said:
It's not just Indiana. The teams from the Power 6 basketball conferences generally refuse to schedule any good mid-majors. They prefer to play the bottom teams in the NET ratings, and get rewarded by the formula for beating them by 30 points. How many other mid-major Illinois schools did Illinois play this year? (answer: zero)
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Ditto! So tired of them all!
 
There are now dozens of accounts doing their own version of Bracketology. But with just one day left in the season, and just 5 games left to be played, I'll stay with the 2 oldest ones, ESPN and CBS Sports-
ESPN- updated today to include yesterday's games-
Joe Lunardi of ESPN has Drake as an 11-seed, playing 6-seed San Diego State, and Indiana State as the 4th team in his "Last Four Out" - https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/s...logy-2024-march-madness-men-field-predictions

CBS Sports- not updated yet for yesterday's games. Indiana State likely to drop down further when updated
Jerry Palm of CBSSports.com has Drake as an 11-seed playing 6-seed Wisconsin. He has Indiana State as the 3rd team out - https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/


Jon Rothstein doesn't even have Indiana State among his First Four Out, meaning they are at least 5 slots from getting an at large bid - https://collegehoopstoday.net/rothstein-files/bracket-breakdown-march-17th/



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Note that Oklahoma (NET 46 and tied for 9th in the Big 12), Texas A&M (NET 45 and tied for 7th in the SEC), TCU (NET 42 and tied for 7th in the Big 12), Mississippi State, (NET 31 and the 9th place team in the SEC), and Texas (NET 30 and tied for 7th in Big 12) are all in the field as at-large teams. None of them had winning conference records.

The NET was devised to clarify which teams were more deserving, yet all 5 of those teams are below Indiana State's NET of 29.
 
Da Coach said:
Note that Oklahoma (NET 46 and tied for 9th in the Big 12), Texas A&M (NET 45 and tied for 7th in the SEC), TCU (NET 42 and tied for 7th in the Big 12), Mississippi State, (NET 31 and the 9th place team in the SEC), and Texas (NET 30 and tied for 7th in Big 12) are all in the field as at-large teams. None of them had winning conference records.

The NET was devised to clarify which teams were more deserving, yet all 5 of those teams are below Indiana State's NET of 29.
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Nothing has changed, the big schools did not like the rpi so they decided to use the net in hopes of keeping more of the small schools from getting at large bids. Once again the process is a sham because Ind. St. is deserving an at large bid a lot more then most of these teams you have mentioned above in this post. The Valley teams over the years have been fairly successful in winning games in this tour. when given a chance to play especially considering their poor seeds.
 
Even Northwestern should be behind Indiana State. Everyone agrees they are in the field, but their NET is a whopping 53, and their non-conference schedule was atrocious. They played teams like Chicago State, Detroit-Mercy, DePaul, Jackson State, Binghamton, Western Michigan, Rhode Island, and Northern Illinois.
 
Yeah, when your team loses to Chicago State on your home court, it should be automatically predetermined that it is eliminated from NCAA tournament
 
Just stated on Selection show sunday: Indiana State the highest rated NET at 29 to be left out of the NCAA! What a joke!!!!!
 
Stevezall said:
Just stated on Selection show sunday: Indiana State the highest rated NET at 29 to be left out of the NCAA! What a joke!!!!!
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Queue the obligatory comment about quad 1 wins now. Blah blah blah.
Game is fixed. Absolute travesty.
 
Tommy said:
Queue the obligatory comment about quad 1 wins now. Blah blah blah.
Game is fixed. Absolute travesty.
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It seems egregious right now with a NET of 29, but Indiana State did themselves no favors losing to ISU and SIU down the stretch. I've also noted in another thread, Indiana States non-conference schedule was complete garbage outside of Michigan State and Alabama, and they lost to Michigan State and Alabama by double digits. A mid-major just has to beat a good team if they want to get in the tournament now, and Indiana State's best win this year was at Bradley.

By comparison, most of the Mountain West teams that got bids had at least one win against a ranked team or strong power conference team this year.

We can claim that the power teams won't schedule mid-majors, and it has definitely changed in the last 15 years, but Indiana State had two of them on their schedule this year and ended up with two fat L's on their record. I'm sure the committee believes if they deserved to get in they would have beaten Michigan State, and that would have put them in IMO.
 
Stryker said:
It seems egregious right now with a NET of 29, but Indiana State did themselves no favors losing to ISU and SIU down the stretch. I've also noted in another thread, Indiana States non-conference schedule was complete garbage outside of Michigan State and Alabama, and they lost to Michigan State and Alabama by double digits. A mid-major just has to beat a good team if they want to get in the tournament now, and Indiana State's best win this year was at Bradley.

By comparison, most of the Mountain West teams that got bids had at least one win against a ranked team or strong power conference team this year.

We can claim that the power teams won't schedule mid-majors, and it has definitely changed in the last 15 years, but Indiana State had two of them on their schedule this year and ended up with two fat L's on their record. I'm sure the committee believes if they deserved to get in they would have beaten Michigan State, and that would have put them in IMO.
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The fact is, Quad 1 and rankings are all subjective. You know what's not subjective? Wins and losses. And a 28 win team in the MVC deserves an invite to challenge for a national championship, not the 6th or 7th best team from the Big 10 or other PC's that already had their chance to win their conference or conference tournament.
 
Stryker said:
It seems egregious right now with a NET of 29, but Indiana State did themselves no favors losing to ISU and SIU down the stretch. I've also noted in another thread, Indiana States non-conference schedule was complete garbage outside of Michigan State and Alabama, and they lost to Michigan State and Alabama by double digits. A mid-major just has to beat a good team if they want to get in the tournament now, and Indiana State's best win this year was at Bradley.

By comparison, most of the Mountain West teams that got bids had at least one win against a ranked team or strong power conference team this year.

We can claim that the power teams won't schedule mid-majors, and it has definitely changed in the last 15 years, but Indiana State had two of them on their schedule this year and ended up with two fat L's on their record. I'm sure the committee believes if they deserved to get in they would have beaten Michigan State, and that would have put them in IMO.
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And if Northwestern deserved to get in they should have beaten Chicago State
 
Stryker said:
I don't disagree, but NW had three wins against top 15 teams this year...that wipes the bad loss away according to the committee...
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I believe those three wins were all at home. How many top 15 teams came into MVC arenas? Also, NW had a whopping FOUR road wins this year. Michigan State? Three road wins. OK, winning on the road in the B1G is difficult. But if the power conference teams don't schedule -- and win -- difficult road games in their non-con, shouldn't they be penalized?
 
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