Bradley completes schedule

[Out of Balance]

Squirrel - save your breath man - it isn't worth it.

Its like trying to tell a donkey he is something more than donkey. You can talk all you want - as eloquently as you'd like - but at the end of the day all you have to show for it is an @$$. (and probably a head ache)

Now, did you have to lower yourself to refering to good posters on here and loyal BU fans this way:? After you PMed me I thought you had some class but it's not the first time I have been wrong:| Is this what you tell your wife when you can not agree on something with her:roll: Come On Man:roll: Old people have feelings to

 

[Chico]

I think there is a difference between keeping seating at a current level and reducing it.

There you go again, making sense.

 

[Chico]

..and I suspect some of the fans present had they NOT already owned tickets from the season package, would have been glad to skip that game and either went only because they already had the tickets or poss. they gave the tickets to someone else who went because of the unusual opportunity to go to a BU game.

Most fans buy season tickets knowing there are going to be teams coming in they would rather not go see, remember the 70's, but they buy season tickets to support the program and show up anyway
because are Bradley fans and I for one am getting a little tired of loyal fans being made out to be gripers.

 

[squirrelgotdead]

Selfish S....come on man. Couldn't be FURTHER from the truth. I'll be there...I'll have a ticket so selfish...ummmm no.

In fact I cold throw that same accusation right back at many of those on the "pro" side of this issue.

Selfish becuase they know THEY will have a ticket and don't care about the people that don't have the same connections or time to camp out for tickets like they do.... the exact people I am concerned about.

I actually LIKE the idea of watching a game there...I think it would be cool. But I would give that up so everyone that want to see the Braves get to......

Thats what I was afraid of....most of you on the pro side of this just don't get our argument. It has NOTHING to do with being selfish.....we can and will get tickets if we choose.

Our stand is simply for the ENTIRE BU nation...you know.. The BU FAMILY...once Brave always a Brave. Not just those in the Society, B Club and other high end donors with their collective noses turned up in the air ignoring the smaller but equally importaint everyday fan.

Selfish....I think not.

I agree with you that there is the selfishness on both sides. That's why I didn't hesitate to use the word.

I'll make a deal with you dogs. . .If a fan ever gets shut out of a regular season game played at the new arena, I will actually eat one of my squirrel hats.

Bottom line is its not going to happen. The numbers support the move and then some.

I think the problem is on both sides. . .myself included. . .some people just don't want the change. Which is fine. . .I'm not thrilled about it either. . .but those people don't want to acknowledge the numbers that prove there's no risk of being shut out. The people that see the numbers are unsympathetic to the people that resist change.

I can assure you though, that I felt the exact same way you (and many others here) did when I first heard/read about this. But then once I heard the numbers myself and what athletics was trying to do, it was enough to convince me it was the right move.

I have tried to relay that message, but have apparently failed. I'm now done with this argument, since it's moot this year anyway, and look forward to the season now.

 

[BradleyJD]

I'll make a deal with you dogs. . .If a fan ever gets shut out of a regular season game played at the new arena, I will actually eat one of my squirrel hats.

You might be right. However, the reason may not be what you think.

People find out a game is at the new arena. They immediately start to assume they will (A) not be able to get tickets or (B) think they will have to stand.

Either way, right or wrong, you have a large group of people who will immediately not want to go through the hassle of trying to get tickets to the different venue.

 

[LG281]

Now, did you have to lower yourself to refering to good posters on here and loyal BU fans this way:? After you PMed me I thought you had some class but it's not the first time I have been wrong:| Is this what you tell your wife when you can not agree on something with her:roll: Come On Man:roll: Old people have feelings to

Just calling them like I see 'em. On the one hand you have Squirrel and others trying to reason with you...on the other you have a handful of stubborn posters who refuse to see past their own existence.

Sure they claim to be in the argument for the sake of every fan, so that no SINGLE person gets shut out of a game. They pound and pound and pound their opinion without the slightest concession to the possibility that maybe they are wrong. All in the name of their righteous cause.

I tell you right now, friend, when folks stop listening to reason we are in a really sad place.

As for the donkey reference, take it for what you will, I think you all are acting like a bunch of stubborn animals. Seemed fitting.

 

[BuAlum03]

Just calling them like I see 'em. On the one hand you have Squirrel and others trying to reason with you...on the other you have a handful of stubborn posters who refuse to see past their own existence.

Sure they claim to be in the argument for the sake of every fan, so that no SINGLE person gets shut out of a game. They pound and pound and pound their opinion without the slightest concession to the possibility that maybe they are wrong. All in the name of their righteous cause.

I tell you right now, friend, when folks stop listening to reason we are in a really sad place.

As for the donkey reference, take it for what you will, I think you all are acting like a bunch of stubborn animals. Seemed fitting.

The way I see it, this argument is hypocritical. It's assuming that this view is right; that, because there were games in the past that wouldn't have drawn enough to sell-out the new arena, that trend would continue in the future.

I ask that you consider the following variables which may shoot that logic down, or at least call it into question:

1 - a home game in the new arena would be a unique experience, attracting more fans
2 - student support would be increased, since the new arena is on-campus. that reduces supply.
3 - we all hope that in the 2011-2012 season the men's team is coming off a good campaign with an NCAA appearance (and hopefully win). Demand will be increased if that's the case
4 - taking one or two games as the perfect indicator of future performance is somewhat problematic; other variables work in influencing the attendance quantities for those games (team's record, hype of opponent, conflicting events, weather, etc.)

All that having been said, I am not opposed to a single regular season game in the new arena, so long as it doesn't detract from the amount of regular season games us season ticket holders are "entitled" to. I'd hope no other BU fans are so fickle and self-righteous as to insist that the university doesn't care about them or its fans because of a decision involving a single non-conference game, which would probably leave very few fans, if any "on the outside looking in".

 

[LG281]

The way I see it, this argument is hypocritical. It's assuming that this view is right; that, because there were games in the past that wouldn't have drawn enough to sell-out the new arena, that trend would continue in the future.

I don't think its hypocritical at all...I never said that I was right or squirrel was right or even that Dogs and company are wrong. All I said was that they don't even question whether this vendetta they are on has merit. They lash out with wild claims about BU conspiracies or that some posters here get special treatment. Its just absurd.

1 - a home game in the new arena would be a unique experience, attracting more fans
2 - student support would be increased, since the new arena is on-campus. that reduces supply.
3 - we all hope that in the 2011-2012 season the men's team is coming off a good campaign with an NCAA appearance (and hopefully win). Demand will be increased if that's the case

1.) Agree - some people might be shut out, but previous experience says that they likely won't. Also, I personally am going to do everything I can to get a ticket so I'm not worried about anyone but me getting shut out - and even with that in mind, I'm not that worried.

2.) Agree - and I hope so, this seems like great economics to me. Especially if we want to get those students interested enough to take a free bus ride downtown. Decreased supply = greater demand. Demand that will be met the very next home game (and the rest of the home slate)...downtown.

3.) Wholeheartedly agree - this is what we all want in the end any way right?

4 - taking one or two games as the perfect indicator of future performance is somewhat problematic; other variables work in influencing the attendance quantities for those games (team's record, hype of opponent, conflicting events, weather, etc.)

4.) I agree (with an asterisk) that one or two games is not a very good sample - but there have certainly been more than one or two games mentioned in this thread. When planning out a course of action you have to rely on the entire bank of your knowledge (past performance, trending, etc.) and weigh the pros vs. the cons...heck, maybe this thing will back fire and be a huge flop. Would that be something the University, team, or fanbase couldn't recover from...certainly not.

I have a feeling however, that this "calculated risk" will end up paying huge dividends to the University and the Athletic Dept.

In my opinion, and no one from the other side has been able to convince me otherwise (yet), is that the GOOD out weighs the potential bad in this equation. When making tough decisions that is always the key indicator that sways me.

 

[dogsrus]

Just calling them like I see 'em. On the one hand you have Squirrel and others trying to reason with you...on the other you have a handful of stubborn posters who refuse to see past their own existence.

. They pound and pound and pound their opinion without the slightest concession to the possibility that maybe they are wrong. All in the name of their righteous cause.

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So again...YOUR side is the voice of reason while we just pound and pound away and don't concede to that reasoning. Mercy Keith Oberman.

I specifically stated that we DON'T know who is right or wrong on this issue and that we may never really have that answer so who is the REAL hardliner here?

IOW....this is a simple debate and I take it to be just that.

If you think me wanting BU to show loyalty to all their fans is some silly righteous cause then I see why we disagree.

I hold a strong belief that BU's basketball program is what it is today for one MAIN reason...unmatched support from a loyal fanbase. To exclude anyone is a crime IMO. Its pretty simple.

If you disagree with that...fine....but keep in mind the majority of people that have opined about this issue stand clearly on the "against" side of this issue.

People don't mind an exhibition game to be played there. Regular season games and post season games should NOT be at a womens arena/mens practice facility when there are 9000 folks that want to see BU play Iowa at an NIT game leaving 4000 out in the cold. Sorry I just don't see the advantages to that and back at ya...nobody has convinced ME thats a good thing.

If you disagree...fine but dismount that high horse you are riding...the fall won't hurt you but the sudden stop just might.

 

[Buesch N Chips]

Mercy Keith Oberman.

People don't mind an exhibition game to be played there. Regular season games and post season games should NOT be at a womens arena/mens practice facility when there are 9000 folks that want to see BU play Iowa at an NIT game leaving 4000 out in the cold. Sorry I just don't see the advantages to that and back at ya...nobody has convinced ME thats a good thing.

Why did you have to bring Olbermann into it. The guy is a tool. Can't stand him.

Also, is anyone really saying that they want a game where 9000 would attend to be played in a 4000 seat arena? Is anyone on here really saying that should be the case? I cannot imagine anyone wanting that scenario.

 

[shaunguth]

People don't mind an exhibition game to be played there. Regular season games and post season games should NOT be at a womens arena/mens practice facility when there are 9000 folks that want to see BU play Iowa at an NIT game leaving 4000 out in the cold. Sorry I just don't see the advantages to that and back at ya...nobody has convinced ME thats a good thing.

I have gone even one step further....saying that I don't mind the possibility of a regular season game at the new arena (if the PCC is not available for said game) NEARLY as much as I mind all postseason games taking place there.

I also don't see how NOBODY will be "shut out" of a regular season game at the new arena. That statement just doesn't make much sense to me.

I know some people don't like to look at numbers, but here is what would be available......

4,200 Seats (stated capacity)

- 500 Personal Seat Option ticketing plan ($500 or $1000)

- 600 Reserved for students

- 150 Participating teams' comp lists

= 2,950 Available to the general public

I'm guessing the season ticket holders will be allowed to purchase tickets before the general public, so that doesn't leave much for the "commoners".

 

[squirrelgotdead]

I have gone even one step further....saying that I don't mind the possibility of a regular season game at the new arena (if the PCC is not available for said game) NEARLY as much as I mind all postseason games taking place there.

I also don't see how NOBODY will be "shut out" of a regular season game at the new arena. That statement just doesn't make much sense to me.

I know some people don't like to look at numbers, but here is what would be available......

4,200 Seats (stated capacity)

- 500 Personal Seat Option ticketing plan ($500 or $1000)

- 600 Reserved for students

- 150 Participating teams' comp lists

= 2,950 Available to the general public

I'm guessing the season ticket holders will be allowed to purchase tickets before the general public, so that doesn't leave much for the "commoners".

Of that 2950 available (and since fewer than 100 PSOs have been sold to date that number as of now is closer to 3350, and doesn't take into account the additional SRO which leaves room for about 4000), less than half would be sold before the week of the event for the types of games that would be played there, based on "loyalty" and the numbers Bradley was using to make this decision.

 

[shaunguth]

Of that 2950 available (and since fewer than 100 PSOs have been sold to date that number as of now is closer to 3350, and doesn't take into account the additional SRO which leaves room for about 4000), less than half would be sold before the week of the event for the types of games that would be played there, based on "loyalty" and the numbers Bradley was using to make this decision.

Even so......I just have a feeling more than 30% of the PCC season tickets will be interested in watching a game at the new arena, could be closer to the 60% that would sell out the new arena. Unless, of course, it's a Sunday game and people would rather watch football.

 

[tornado]

Which games should be red-outs???

My suggestion --
Make one or more of the Utah, ISU, or UNI games red-outs..
Then maybe throw a White-out or Black out in somewhere also..

 

[LG281]

If you disagree with that...fine....but keep in mind the majority of people that have opined about this issue stand clearly on the "against" side of this issue.

First of all - I've heard from several posters who appreciate what a few of us have done and that is voice a seemingly unpopular opinion here. There are plenty of people that support this ??“ they just choose not to tussle with you. Remember, just because you are the loudest - doesn't make you right.

It just makes you the most extreme.

So again...YOUR side is the voice of reason while we just pound and pound away and don't concede to that reasoning.

Yes, in this situation. My stance is based on figures, learning, and an open mind. Where yours is based on this feeling that YOU are getting screwed.

I've heard what you have to say (over and over and over) and I've heard what Tornado and Squirrel and others have had to say. Gotta tell you ??“ I??™ve thought about it quite a bit??¦and if you would cool off for a second...you would realize how silly some of your arguments sound.

Between you harping on and on about your uncle being left out in the cold, BU screwing over the good folks that have built the program with their blood, sweat, and cash and Shaunguth??™s endless clambering over syntax in the BU PSO Ticket Plan ??“ I can honestly tell you that I think you??™ve gone way past overboard.

If you disagree...fine but dismount that high horse you are riding...the fall won't hurt you but the sudden stop just might.

WOW

Hi there Pot??¦

Hey Black??¦what??™s happening?

 

[AZ BU Fan]

Even so......I just have a feeling more than 30% of the PCC season tickets will be interested in watching a game at the new arena, could be closer to the 60% that would sell out the new arena. Unless, of course, it's a Sunday game and people would rather watch football.

Unless BU improves and becomes relevant again in the MVC, as well as nationally. Many folks will want to come see them, even on Sunday's, no matter where the games are played...PCC, on campus, Riverplex, outside in the parking lots....

 

[dogsrus]

Why did you have to bring Olbermann into it. The guy is a tool. Can't stand him.

Also, is anyone really saying that they want a game where 9000 would attend to be played in a 4000 seat arena? Is anyone on here really saying that should be the case? I cannot imagine anyone wanting that scenario.

Me either...thats why I used him..Hey, LG called us a Donkey/jacka$$ so I thought it was a fair comeback

It was mentioned that post season games could be played there....NIT is post season....I don't want them to even consider that. Thats been MY contention all along.

I'm willing to compromise (like I have any real say ) on a game played there but it can't be anything significant. Now some will rightfully argue ANY BU game is significant but certainly NOT post season or Valley games.

If its EIEIO, like I said, I'm not worried about WHERE its played but we all should worry that it IS being played in the first place.

 

[Buesch N Chips]

Me either...thats why I used him..Hey, LG called us a Donkey/jacka$$ so I thought it was a fiar comeback

It was mentioned that post season games could be played there....NIT is post season....I don't want them to even consider that. Thats been MY contention all along.

I'm willing to compromise (like I have any real say ) on a game played there but it can't be anything significant. Now some will rightfully argue ANY BU game is significant but certainly NOT post season or Valley games.

If its EIEIO, like I said, I'm not worried about WHERE its played but we all should worry that it IS being played in the first place.

I agree with everything you said.

 

[dogsrus]

First of all - I've heard from several posters who appreciate what a few of us have done and that is voice a seemingly unpopular opinion here. There are plenty of people that support this ??“ they just choose not to tussle with you. Remember, just because you are the loudest - doesn't make you right.

It just makes you the most extreme.



Yes, in this situation. My stance is based on figures, learning, and an open mind. Where yours is based on this feeling that YOU are getting screwed.

I've heard what you have to say (over and over and over) and I've heard what Tornado and Squirrel and others have had to say. Gotta tell you ??“ I??™ve thought about it quite a bit??¦and if you would cool off for a second...you would realize how silly some of your arguments sound.

Between you harping on and on about your uncle being left out in the cold, BU screwing over the good folks that have built the program with their blood, sweat, and cash and Shaunguth??™s endless clambering over syntax in the BU PSO Ticket Plan ??“ I can honestly tell you that I think you??™ve gone way past overboard.



WOW

If you don't like my passion for BU or anyone elses then why argue/discuss this with me or anyone else? You can easily igore what I post.

"Loudest...most extreme"......according to whom? What makes my opine any louder then yours or what makes it more extreme....no really. Is it becuase my view differs from yours.

Figures...what figures? The people you quote told us in no uncertain terms that NO ONE knows any numbers so we should just wait until we know more....yet some keep tossing out figures to support their side.

And if numbers ARE allowed (I'll differ to you as far as the rules here) Shaunguth's numbers are all I need.

As far as me repeating things over and over...well, there you go again. Quoting Tornado and squirrel who have been as passionate and outspoken about how THEY feel yet, since my view differs from yours, I'M the one that goes on and on. Classic.


It takes TWO to tango and I only have one screen name so I know I ain't discusing this with myself.

And again...if you REALLY read what I have wrote I have said that I am open to a game being played at the mens practice facility.....NO one is right or wrong about how they feel towards this issue and we may NEVER really be able to declare a winner. So again I ask...whos the hardliner and who is open minded here?

My issue has been from what Dr. Cross first claimed could happen. Specifically POST season games being played at a 4200 seat mens practice facility. THAT is my MAIN issue and I care because it would be foolish and HURT the program I have supported for 25 years.

 

[shaunguth]

It was mentioned that post season games could be played there....NIT is post season....I don't want them to even consider that. Thats been MY contention all along.

Actually, it was sent out in a press release that all postseason games WILL be played at the new arena. That's a little different than just a mention that they could be played there. However, some see that as "syntax".