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BU picked 5th? yet has 3 players in the all conf world

real fan said:
Bradley has had great guards since Les took over but since O"bryant left early BU has struggled with an inside game, these other schools and media people know that and voted us 5th because of it, I hope our inside players realize that most of these voters do not believe our inside players are very good, I think we will be a much better team then last season because of experience, personnel and tougher asst. coaches, we just need to prove it on the court.
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No disagreements here.

I know you can win and win a lot without a BIG like POB. There are ways to get around the 5 spot. Obviously, one is by having great guards...which we have. Another way is by having lock down defenders....which we need to develop more of, IMO.
 
Buesch N Chips said:
We had 3 of the top 9 scorers last year and tied for 5th.
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I'm with ya' here BNC. On paper and knowing our potential with each individual player, we should contend with WSU, being no worse than 2nd. It's all about execution, and guys playing their rolls. I remember heading into last season, there was an emphasis on each guy finding his own roll. I think each player's roll is more defined this season, except for the freshmen.
We haven't executed over the past few seasons like expected, resulting in a 4th-5th finish. Why should anyone other than BU fans expect us to start executing and playing up to our potential suddenly?
 
I also wonder how much of it is contending teams low balling those other contending teams who might challenge their ranking. There's a conspiracy for ya.
 
Buesch N Chips said:
I also wonder how much of it is contending teams low balling those other contending teams who might challenge their ranking. There's a conspiracy for ya.
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thats probably it.

Jl and our staff, are a lot more respectful of the valley than some of the people who havent been in it long, like Marshall and Cuonzo. I can see that being a solid reason!
 
tornado said:
Hmm..the Wichita writer also says...
"Bradley departed St. Louis with individual honors, but a fifth-place prediction. Something doesn??™t make sense."
http://blogs.kansas.com/shockwaves/#ixzz13aE7EunG
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I don't think it is any secret that Jim Les is not well liked by many coaches, AD's, and press people in The Valley. He came across as cocky and arrogant from day one and first impressions tend to last in a small community like The MVC. That's a big reason why BU was picked where they were, IMO.
 
Braves4Life said:
I don't think it is any secret that Jim Les is not well liked by many coaches, AD's, and press people in The Valley. He came across as cocky and arrogant from day one and first impressions tend to last in a small community like The MVC. That's a big reason why BU was picked where they were, IMO.
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Had we won anything, it wouldn't matter if Les was well-liked or not. I personally don't care if they all hate him, but I do care if they respect him and our program. I don't think they do, and our prediction of 5th despite several player accolades says as much. Let's make them respect us for once...
 
BradleyBrave said:
Had we won anything, it wouldn't matter if Les was well-liked or not. I personally don't care if they all hate him, but I do care if they respect him and our program. I don't think they do, and our prediction of 5th despite several player accolades says as much. Let's make them respect us for once...
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Well said.
 
srw said:
I am not much of a conspiracy guy, but i am starting to think maybe there is a conspiracy against Bradley.

How else could you have 3 guys on these teams, and be picked 5th.

Its non-sensical to me.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
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This isn't anything new....
 
No beating around the bush. They don't respect Coach Les! Here's to an MVC championship year and a mouth full of boot for these voters! GO BRAVES!
 
Braves4Life said:
... press people in The Valley. ....
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Braves4Life --I note your avatar is the front of the MVC Media Guide...and a very similar picture also graces the front on the Brochure that promotes
the MVC Tournament this March and details ticket plans and order forms...(except the brochure has Andrew Warren!)

so isn't it odd that they choose only FIVE teams to grace the fronts of those publications and leave ISU, InSU, Drake, SIU, and Evansville out of the picture altogether!!

Is this a reward for being the top 5 teams in the early preseason previews??
Is this a new MVC strategy that only the top 5 Valley teams as viewed by those who write about the Valley get their pics on the following season's publications?
it certainly doesn't have anything to do with their finishes last year or else they'd have ISU pictured with OE -- but it's clear they want some element of current players shown..
I have to kinda think it is..........
 
And did you notice...all the guys are in home whites EXCEPT SM whos wearing Black.....Hmmmmmmm....whats up with that?
 
dogsrus said:
And did you notice...all the guys are in home whites EXCEPT SM whos wearing Black.....Hmmmmmmm....whats up with that?
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He must be an impostor, a la fake Paul McCartney. I heard if you listen to MVC Shuffle backwards you can hear Andrew Warren say "I buried Sam." Or something like that. :D
 
dogsrus said:
Agree...thats the best way to get respect. Go earn it guys......
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Latest tweet from Coach Les:
Pikd 5th in Valley..Sammy all lge/ AW and TB hon mention...respect is earned not given

Not sure what this exactly means - could be:
A) AW and TB have to earn 1st team honors by their play this season.
B) He feels the league has given BU guys respect for placing 3 of BU's guys in top 10 in league.
C) 5th place prediction is understandable - they must finish higher to earn respect in the league.
 
LittleBrave said:
Latest tweet from Coach Les:
Pikd 5th in Valley..Sammy all lge/ AW and TB hon mention...respect is earned not given

Not sure what this exactly means - could be:
A) AW and TB have to earn 1st team honors by their play this season.
B) He feels the league has given BU guys respect for placing 3 of BU's guys in top 10 in league.
C) 5th place prediction is understandable - they must finish higher to earn respect in the league.
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I feel like Les meant this as motivation, i.e. you haven't earned as much respect as you could have.
 
tornado said:
Braves4Life --I note your avatar is the front of the MVC Media Guide...and a very similar picture also graces the front on the Brochure that promotes
the MVC Tournament this March and details ticket plans and order forms...(except the brochure has Andrew Warren!)

so isn't it odd that they choose only FIVE teams to grace the fronts of those publications and leave ISU, InSU, Drake, SIU, and Evansville out of the picture altogether!!

Is this a reward for being the top 5 teams in the early preseason previews??
Is this a new MVC strategy that only the top 5 Valley teams as viewed by those who write about the Valley get their pics on the following season's publications?
it certainly doesn't have anything to do with their finishes last year or else they'd have ISU pictured with OE -- but it's clear they want some element of current players shown..
I have to kinda think it is..........
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These 5 were the MVC 1st Team All-MVC......
 
Braves4Life said:
These 5 were the MVC 1st Team All-MVC......
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The Missouri State guy pictured there is Adam Leonard --
and Leonard is not on the 1st Team...

But even if it was the exact same five guys as on the 1st team All Conference --
would they have known that enough in advance to have gotten those printed up that way?
I seem to recall that the voters ballots for the MVC All-Conf teams weren't required turned in until only about a week ago.
Fancy Media Guides like that would have to have been set up several weeks ago -- and surely they would not have had all the ballots in and so they must have simply chosed those five guys for the cover independent of the balloting.

Same goes for the brochures I mentioned that allow you to order tickets for Arch Madness...they show almost the exact same five players, except for Warren.
 
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