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Bulls get #1

This would be a dream scenario. Trade Deng, Hinrich, and Joakim Noah to the Heat for the 2nd pick and get both Rose and Beasly. WOW! That would be a blockbuster and would build the foundation of another Bulls dynasty. Throw in the Free Agent pick up of Patrick O'Bryant and now suddenly you have a contender.
 
patrick_o'brian said:
This would be a dream scenario. Trade Deng, Hinrich, and Joakim Noah to the Heat for the 2nd pick and get both Rose and Beasly. WOW! That would be a blockbuster and would build the foundation of another Bulls dynasty. Throw in the Free Agent pick up of Patrick O'Bryant and now suddenly you have a contender.
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Ur funny.

They really don't need more young players. Just one player at the top of the draft would be enough. Remember the Curry and Chandler experiment? It takes almost all players a couple years to develop (unless you have Lebron), and it seems to be harder for players to develop on bad teams (Charlotte). While Rose and Beasley sounds awesome, it might take 5 years for that project to develop and the Bulls could give up on one or both after they fire Pax for being in the lottery ever year.

And we don't trade the pick for Melo. Maybe we would trade Kirk, Gordon, and an expiring contract (Gooden) for Melo after taking Rose. J. O'neal could be traded as well. Marion would look really nice in red and black too.

It does sound like they're taking Rose, but a lot can happen between now and the draft. It's going to be an exciting off-season for Bulls fans! #1 pick, coaching search, and almost definitely a trade.
 
How are these guys physically holding up?

I know Kevin Love already has back spasms. So it's not unheard of for a freshman to get injuries.

this MAY factor into a decision because the bulls need both of the positions that Rose and Beasley fulfill.


For me, Rose would be the pick. Kirk does ok w/ the ball, but he's not a dynamic player that can drive and score big. Great teams do that and win...case and point New Orleans.

I HOPE, we take Rose. Trade Duhan, Gordon, and whoever else it takes to get a true scoring center. that way Kirk can settle in as a number 2 point guard and get some quality minutes too.
A Rose & Hinrich running the PG spot would be great.

but, knowing the bulls and their track record...we're lookin at them making some dumb decision and ruining Chicago basketball's one time great name.
 
TRIMAN said:
Ur funny.

They really don't need more young players. Just one player at the top of the draft would be enough. Remember the Curry and Chandler experiment? It takes almost all players a couple years to develop (unless you have Lebron), and it seems to be harder for players to develop on bad teams (Charlotte). While Rose and Beasley sounds awesome, it might take 5 years for that project to develop and the Bulls could give up on one or both after they fire Pax for being in the lottery ever year.

And we don't trade the pick for Melo. Maybe we would trade Kirk, Gordon, and an expiring contract (Gooden) for Melo after taking Rose. J. O'neal could be traded as well. Marion would look really nice in red and black too.

It does sound like they're taking Rose, but a lot can happen between now and the draft. It's going to be an exciting off-season for Bulls fans! #1 pick, coaching search, and almost definitely a trade.
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I do remember the Curry-Chandler experiment and this is no comparison. For one Chandler and Curry never played in a final 4 or averaged 25pts. and 12 reb. in the Big 12. Rose and Beasly did that respectively. Young players are exactly what the Bulls need. Shawn Marion is washed up and I highly doubt Denver would let Carmelo go. I think Rose and Beasley are too talented to take 5 years to develop. Your scenarios sound good, but Beasley is the real thing. I know that This scenario would never happen, but that's what I would be trying to do. The Bulls window closed with their present core of players that's why Skiles got fired. Young is the way to go and if the Heat are that desperate these 2 players are a great start.
 
patrick_o'brian said:
I do remember the Curry-Chandler experiment and this is no comparison. For one Chandler and Curry never played in a final 4 or averaged 25pts. and 12 reb. in the Big 12. Rose and Beasly did that respectively. Young players are exactly what the Bulls need. Shawn Marion is washed up and I highly doubt Denver would let Carmelo go. I think Rose and Beasley are too talented to take 5 years to develop. Your scenarios sound good, but Beasley is the real thing. I know that This scenario would never happen, but that's what I would be trying to do. The Bulls window closed with their present core of players that's why Skiles got fired. Young is the way to go and if the Heat are that desperate these 2 players are a great start.
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It could easily take 5 years for them to contend in the east. Particularly with Lebron and Howard coming into their prime. They appear to be better than curry and chandler, I agree.

You really think that the bulls need to get younger? They have no leadership, and their average age is 25.7 (6th youngest). I think that they really need a leader and a star (hopefully in the same player).

http://www.nba.com/news/survey_age_2007.html


And all of this talk of a "point guard driven league" with C. Paul and D. Williams-they are at home. The Spurs have a dominat big man plus 2 guards, the lakers have a dominat G plus a good big man, boston has 3 all-star players (that have never won anything), and detroit is a team full of good players. Chicago tried to emulate Detroit after they won, which didn't work (probably since they don't have players as good as Billups, Hamilton, or Wallace), and now everyone wants them to model Utah and NO.

And Jason Kidd with a jump shot??? How many championships did Kidd win? Rose didn't win either (kind of reminds me of when the Bulls took Jay Williams...obviously different players).

How many PGs are the bulls going to take with a top 10 pick before they realize that they need some offense out of a big man to succeed? Thomas and Noah can combine for a lot of 2-handed dunks and no shooting.

Bulls taking PGs is getting to be like the Bears with QB.
 
I agree with TRIMAN!!!!! Beasley will be a beast. Think Charles Barkley but in better shape, taller, bigger, doesn't talk as much and not as ugly!:)

Everybody is talking about the point guard play but look at the Celtics, Pistons, they do have Chaucey but he's really a 2, Lakers, and do you think it is the guard play that has the Spurs where they are at. The BIG men are the keys to these teams.
 
SanFranciscoPete said:
I agree with TRIMAN!!!!! Beasley will be a beast. Think Charles Barkley but in better shape, taller, bigger, doesn't talk as much and not as ugly!:)

Everybody is talking about the point guard play but look at the Celtics, Pistons, they do have Chaucey but he's really a 2, Lakers, and do you think it is the guard play that has the Spurs where they are at. The BIG men are the keys to these teams.
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First off Charles Barkely is one of the greatest players of all time, if Beasley has half his career he would be happy.

Second Guard play is the the main reason the Spurs are where they are, Manu and Tony P are two of the best in the game. Note the Bulls didnt have a big man of much value for the last 6 championships.
 
Lakeview Brave said:
Second Guard play is the the main reason the Spurs are where they are, Manu and Tony P are two of the best in the game. Note the Bulls didnt have a big man of much value for the last 6 championships.
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Manu is a 2 not the point guard and he is really a 3 the way he plays. I'm a huge Manu fan BTW... The question is who would you rather have TD or TP? Without TD the Spurs are 8-9 seed.

I believe Beasley has the skills and the athletic ability to become another CB. He'll be able to take the ball inside, rebound, bang players around and take that outside shot when you leave him alone. I like Rose, I just think Beasley will be a better player in the NBA. Rose without doubt would be my second pick. Rose is explosive, will be able to rebound, score in the paint, will be a floor general but will have a harder time than Beasley in adjusting to the pros. MHO
 
Has anyone seen Deandre Jordon or JaVale McGee play? I originally wanted to pick Beasley, but after listening to people I have been convinced that Rose may be the better pick for the Bulls. But if they pick Rose I will only be happy if the move Hinrich or Gordon or both. There have been some rumors of Hinrich to Portland. So while looking at the 13th pick I see a couple big men that could be available. I was curious what these guys games looked like to anyone.

PS Check out what player they compare McGee to.
http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/javalemcgee.html
 
Plenty of talk in Chicago and on sports-talk radio that the Bulls are shopping or discussing trades for Kirk Hinrich.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=8811

If that's the case, it suggests pretty strongly that the Bulls have Derrick Rose as their first pick right now.

The above article even hints at grabbing Rose in the draft then trading Hinrich (and whatever) for LaMarcus Aldridge.
If the Blazers have Greg Oden coming back, they might be at liberty to trade Aldridge, and they are certainly demonstrating the position that they want to trade for establilshed players right now.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=8800

If the Bulls could pull that off, wow.......
 
We already had Aldridge, and he became Thomas. Idk how sold I am on him. Interesting idea though. It also puts 2 PG/SG players on portland (Roy and Hinrich).

Duncan is easily one of the top 20 players in the NBA ever-probably the best PF ever.

TP isn't close to the best PG in the NBA. I know that this isn't the whole story since he plays a lot better in the playoffs than the regular season, but look at the stats of other PGs compared to Parker. STATISTICALLY Hinrich is a better player (better assist:turnover ratio, equal assists, more steals and blocks. Worse ppg and FG%).

That's a very easy decision, eventhough Duncan didn't have a great regular season this year. As said earlier, that team is (a little better than) the Chicago Bulls... without Duncan.
 
TRIMAN said:
TP isn't close to the best PG in the NBA. I know that this isn't the whole story since he plays a lot better in the playoffs than the regular season, but look at the stats of other PGs compared to Parker. STATISTICALLY Hinrich is a better player (better assist:turnover ratio, equal assists, more steals and blocks. Worse ppg and FG%).
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Statistically sure maybe he is but eye ball test, ring test, success test no comparision Parker is head and shoulders better then Hinrich.
 
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