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Coach's Report Card

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Dallas Brave

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Given the wide range of opinions about the success of Bradley??™s basketball program under JL, I thought it would be interesting to gather people??™s opinions on how to objectively build a JL report card. One of the challenges of sharing opinions on the board is that fans have different perspectives on what metrics are most important and, given that we are all victim to human foible, we are subject to emotional highs and lows based on how the team has done in the most recent game or the last recruit to be signed.

My coaching scorecard would include two lag indicators: 1. regular season results and 2. post-season results and two lead indicators: 3. recruiting and 4. player development.

In general, I think the points earned curve should be generally S-shaped and award/penalize lots of points when results are really good/bad. Zero points should be earned for results that fall into the ???minimum expected results??? range.

1. REGULAR SEASON RESULTS

1.1 Winning percentage
12 points: .750 and above
6 points: .650 - .749
2 points: .600 - .649
0 points: .500 - .599
-4 points: .400 - .499
-12 points: below .400

1.2 Good Wins / Bad Losses
1 point: win against BCS team
+1 extra point for victory against BCS team that finishes in top half of their conference
-1 point: home court loss to non-BCS team (non-conference teams)
-1 point: home court loss to MVC teams outside of top 3 in league standings

1.3 Conference Results
12 points: MVC regular season champions
8 points: MVC second place
4 points: MVC 3rd place
0 points: MVC 4th or 5th place
-6 points: MVC 6th ??“ 8th place
-12 points: MVC 9th or 10th place

2. POST-SEASON RESULTS

2.1 NCAA
12 Points: NCAA tournament appearance
+12 extra points for each NCAA tournament victory
+1,000 extra points for NCAA championship

2.2 NIT
4 Points: NIT appearance
+2 extra points for each NIT victory
+12 extra points: NIT championship

2.3 Other
2 Points: other Post-Season championship

3. RECRUITING

2 Points: for each 4 year recruit
+1 extra point: for each recruit 6??™ 10??? or taller

4. PLAYER DEVELOPMENT

4.1 Non-medical R/S
2 points: for each non-medical, freshman R/S

4.2 Graduation
4 points: for each player who graduates (current year only)

4.3 Professional career
12 points: for each player drafted by NBA (one-time award)
6 points: for each player playing in NBA
1 point: for each player playing professionally outside of NBA
 
Frontcourt - D-

He has yet to fully build a player himself. POB was a decent talent, but I honestly don't believe he hit his stride until the 2 tournament games that he parlayed a contract out of.

Backcourt - B

Would get a better grade because of some of the talent he has had, but the fact that he was a PG and for some reason can not make the points any better is very bothering.


Offense - C+

At times good, at times bad so just an average score.


Defense - D+

The same bad sets over and over again for the 8th straight season. Haven't seen a real good effort since Ruffin, Bennett, POB

Bench - D-

He doesn't know how to utilize a proper bench or make proper substitutions.



Is this what you were looking for? I based it on the Dave Reynolds report card.

No overall grade as its too hard for me to gauge what aspect is more important than another.
 
SaintLouBrave22 said:
Is this what you were looking for? I based it on the Dave Reynolds report card.

No overall grade as its too hard for me to gauge what aspect is more important than another.
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I'm just looking for ideas on how to measure a programs success based on quantifiable measurements. I think Dave's scorecard is geared more for reader entertainment than being suitable to assess a program's development year-over-year because it is too subjective.
 
Dallas Brave said:
I'm just looking for ideas on how to measure a programs success based on quantifiable measurements. I think Dave's scorecard is geared more for reader entertainment than being suitable to assess a program's development year-over-year because it is too subjective.
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Quite honestly, I think most people just use winning percentage. Injuries have killed Les, just flat out killed him, which is why I believe he gets a pass from some people. Would his winning pct be better with no injuries? Impossible to know. But I think you should calculate using your criteria, and see what happens.
 
One questionable objective is the RS one. I believe that being able to RS a Freshmen is not a negative thing. Later on if the program is able to recruit 4-5 Star players then it changes.
 
I would say B- to a C+ I thought this team would win 16 games with no one getting hurt and now that we have 2 players down I would say 13 wins.We have know big men at all the ones we do have are so soft it makes me sick. And nothing even close to having a point guard and without point guard you aren't going to win many games.I really think our recruiting has went down hill the last couple of years.
 
bu fan 9 said:
I would say B- to a C+ I thought this team would win 16 games with no one getting hurt and now that we have 2 players down I would say 13 wins.We have know big men at all the ones we do have are so soft it makes me sick. And nothing even close to having a point guard and without point guard you aren't going to win many games.I really think our recruiting has went down hill the last couple of years.
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I'm more concerned with a) the system we run and how it hasn't changed, no matter who we recruit; b) the coaching staff and how none seem to be allowed free will and just are "yes sir" guys; and c) the fact that the program has yet to reach the upper 3 in the conference or win a tournament in the 7+ years Les has been here.


This tenure has been nothing short of average when you consider what the other Valley schools have done:

Creighton - 1 rs title ; 4 tournament titles
Drake - 1 rs title ; 1 tournament title
UNI - 1 rs title ; 2 tournament titles
SIU - 5 rs titles ; 1 tournament title
Wichita St - 1 rs title

So Bradley is sitting with Evansville, ISU, Indiana St., and Missouri State with no titles or tournament titles since Les took over.


Only Bradley, Evansville, and Indiana State have not finished Top 3 since Les became Bradley head coach.


Do you really want to be grouped in with those two schools?
 
I still think predomintally evaluation a coach on regular season and MVCt titles is like only evaluating a NASCAR crew chief on pole positions won. While pole positions are nice, leading the race at the end is the real goal. In basketball, NCAA wins are the real goal. Conference championships are a nice mid-race measuring stick, but not the real goal. JL met the real measure of success in 2006, and I will not hold it against him in evaluating 8 years that he did not also win the pole position.

That said, in our one bid league, we now need to be aware that the only way to get to the NCAA is the MVCt. Qualifiying for the race is essential.
 
ph said:
I still think predomintally evaluation a coach on regular season and MVCt titles is like only evaluating a NASCAR crew chief on pole positions won. While pole positions are nice, leading the race at the end is the real goal. In basketball, NCAA wins are the real goal. Conference championships are a nice mid-race measuring stick, but not the real goal. JL met the real measure of success in 2006, and I will not hold it against him in evaluating 8 years that he did not also win the pole position.

That said, in our one bid league, we now need to be aware that the only way to get to the NCAA is the MVCt. Qualifiying for the race is essential.
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I like this comparison! I would much rather have a Sweet 16 than a conference championship. I would like one of those too however. I think we will start getting them!

Maybe this year's team will bring both!;)
 
SaintLouBrave22 said:
This tenure has been nothing short of average when you consider what the other Valley schools have done:

Creighton - 1 rs title ; 4 tournament titles
Drake - 1 rs title ; 1 tournament title
UNI - 1 rs title ; 2 tournament titles
SIU - 5 rs titles ; 1 tournament title
Wichita St - 1 rs title

So Bradley is sitting with Evansville, ISU, Indiana St., and Missouri State with no titles or tournament titles since Les took over.


Only Bradley, Evansville, and Indiana State have not finished Top 3 since Les became Bradley head coach.


Do you really want to be grouped in with those two schools?
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How many of those schools have won multiple NCAA games in that time?
 
SaintLouBrave22 said:
I'm more concerned with a) the system we run and how it hasn't changed, no matter who we recruit; b) the coaching staff and how none seem to be allowed free will and just are "yes sir" guys; and c) the fact that the program has yet to reach the upper 3 in the conference or win a tournament in the 7+ years Les has been here.


This tenure has been nothing short of average when you consider what the other Valley schools have done:

Creighton - 1 rs title ; 4 tournament titles
Drake - 1 rs title ; 1 tournament title
UNI - 1 rs title ; 2 tournament titles
SIU - 5 rs titles ; 1 tournament title
Wichita St - 1 rs title

So Bradley is sitting with Evansville, ISU, Indiana St., and Missouri State with no titles or tournament titles since Les took over.


Only Bradley, Evansville, and Indiana State have not finished Top 3 since Les became Bradley head coach.


Do you really want to be grouped in with those two schools?
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More than one person on this board has stated that we're not supposed to care about what the other schools are doing. Maybe I misunderstood that and we're only supposed to take notice when they're doing well and can be compared favorably to Bradley. I guess that makes perfect sense when someone is trying to show how bad our basketball program is.
 
SaintLouBrave22 said:
So Bradley is sitting with Evansville, ISU, Indiana St., and Missouri State with no titles or tournament titles since Les took over.


Only Bradley, Evansville, and Indiana State have not finished Top 3 since Les became Bradley head coach.


Do you really want to be grouped in with those two schools?
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That seems to say a lot. I bet the coaches at those schools have changed during those years... I think the job is Les' until he doesn't want it because he is the "golden boy" and too many rich alum with power will make sure he stays. Just an opinion.

Where is this "national prominence" he promised 8 years ago when he "wowed" the committee with his sales pitch? Never finishing in the top three in seven years (probably will be eight) and making it a habit to lose at home to teams like Loyola and Western Carolina is hardly getting BU to national prominence. Just look at the strides that Butler has made since Les took over. I always considered Butler a lower basketball school than Bradley, but they are light years ahead now.

I may be new here, but I have had tickets since the fieldhouse days in the 70's and I am getting pretty tired of the same old thing the last few years. Play lots of guards and be mediocre. Jump the passing lanes (and over-play on defense) and leave KNOWN 3 point shooters open (i.e. Western Carolina game and others). I've seen several coaches at BU and I give him a C-. I would give him an D- if I compared him to what he sold the committee versus what he has done. I pretty sick of this act. :mad:
 
Da Coach said:
How many of those schools have won multiple NCAA games in that time?
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WSU? SIUC?

I think the difference is that some here are looking for more consistency from the team. More like a Creighton or (from those stats) an SIUC when they were good. Yes BU won those 2 games but you can't help but think games like that have a lot to do with luck and good fortune. Yes the talent was there definitely and they started to play together, but the real question should be, if they were really that talented, where was that the rest of the season? Where was the coaching staff on that one? Those 2 games were important but winning a regular season and a few tournament championships would show consistency...2 games in the NCAA over the course of 8 years does not show that.
 
JoetheBelly said:
That seems to say a lot. I bet the coaches at those schools have changed during those years... I think the job is Les' until he doesn't want it because he is the "golden boy" and too many rich alum with power will make sure he stays. Just an opinion.

Where is this "national prominence" he promised 8 years ago when he "wowed" the committee with his sales pitch? Never finishing in the top three in seven years (probably will be eight) and making it a habit to lose at home to teams like Loyola and Western Carolina is hardly getting BU to national prominence. Just look at the strides that Butler has made since Les took over. I always considered Butler a lower basketball school than Bradley, but they are light years ahead now.

I may be new here, but I have had tickets since the fieldhouse days in the 70's and I am getting pretty tired of the same old thing the last few years. Play lots of guards and be mediocre. Jump the passing lanes (and over-play on defense) and leave KNOWN 3 point shooters open (i.e. Western Carolina game and others). I've seen several coaches at BU and I give him a C-. I would give him an D- if I compared him to what he sold the committee versus what he has done. I pretty sick of this act. :mad:
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Hi JoeDaBelly. Welcome (back) to the board. Seems I've heard your criticism before under a different name though :lol:
 
NCAA appearances and wins are the most important thing to me, but as exciting as the 2006 run was, it is not a very satisfying response to our lack of consistency or success in our conference at this point. It's also worth remembering that that run almost didn't happen because the team played so far below its potential for the first half of the season (we were probably the last team to get a bid). I still generally think we're moving in the right direction (though it sure hasn't felt that way the last week and a half), but we need to see some results this year or next.
 
Of course I have hopes for this team and with DD down there is a lack of taking responsibility/maturity from this team. I have always felt it is next years team that should shine but if they do not display a spark by season's end I may recalibrate. Until then the glass is half full.
 
Braves4Life said:
Hi JoeDaBelly. Welcome (back) to the board. Seems I've heard your criticism before under a different name though :lol:
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I've heard that same criticism since I've been reading the board the last couple months. There have been a few people who really dislike all the guards. But, personally, more than that I don't like the defense. We jump too many passing lanes leaving people open and don't play enough "straight up" defense. Our defense seems to gamble and lose a lot. Do we get scouting reports? Doesn't seem like it because so many times the other teams hot 3 point shooters get open and kill us. UNI, Butler and others last year, and well, we know about this year...
 
Bradleyguy10 said:
WSU? SIUC?

I think the difference is that some here are looking for more consistency from the team. More like a Creighton or (from those stats) an SIUC when they were good. Yes BU won those 2 games but you can't help but think games like that have a lot to do with luck and good fortune. Yes the talent was there definitely and they started to play together, but the real question should be, if they were really that talented, where was that the rest of the season? Where was the coaching staff on that one? Those 2 games were important but winning a regular season and a few tournament championships would show consistency...2 games in the NCAA over the course of 8 years does not show that.
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The S16 team was hugely talented, they started 5 future pros and had another 5 on the bench. There was also little question that the first Kansas game happened to be a matchup of 2 of the nation's hottest teams. Bradley was on a roll and played well for a stretch of 13 games, not just 2. (most fans never recognized the first 5 or so because of the hole the team was digging out of)
Unfortunately not all players were available for the non-con in that season. Still, the coaching staff should of received more early season results, but in the end, they got the job done.
 
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