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Could Cal Davis be the next Florida Gulf Coast?
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tornado
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fun game to watch...
UC-Davis 65 - Long Beach 58
UC-D had a lot of turnovers having had several days off..but Hawkins was hot..
Corey Hawkins 26 pts on 9-13 and 6-8 from the arc
Tyler Les 8 pts, 5 rebs
UCD shoots well again
they go to 20-4 and have a 4 game lead over Long Beach plus the tiebreaker
and a 2 game lead on UCI - this was their 9th road win this year!
UC-Davis 65 - Long Beach 58
UC-D had a lot of turnovers having had several days off..but Hawkins was hot..
Corey Hawkins 26 pts on 9-13 and 6-8 from the arc
Tyler Les 8 pts, 5 rebs
UCD shoots well again
they go to 20-4 and have a 4 game lead over Long Beach plus the tiebreaker
and a 2 game lead on UCI - this was their 9th road win this year!
Long Beach made a run in the final 2 minutes and closed within 5, but UC Davis held on for the 65-58 win to go to 20-4-
http://www.longbeachstate.com/gamet...ol=lbst&sport=mbaskbl&camefrom=&startschool=&
UC Davis continues their superb shooting, going 23-45 (51.1%) from the field on the road. They also shot 9-19 (47.4%) from three. Hawkins was 6-8 from three and had 26 points. UCD also improved their RPI to 80. It was their 9th road win this season!
http://www.longbeachstate.com/gamet...ol=lbst&sport=mbaskbl&camefrom=&startschool=&
UC Davis continues their superb shooting, going 23-45 (51.1%) from the field on the road. They also shot 9-19 (47.4%) from three. Hawkins was 6-8 from three and had 26 points. UCD also improved their RPI to 80. It was their 9th road win this season!
Not quite a $10 million dollar coach like Coach K, but he has likely earned himself a nice raise if he stays at UC Davis. If you've watched any of their games, UCD is an exceptionally well-coached, good passing, great shooting, unselfish team, and they excel in every aspect of the game. Other than Corey Hawkins, they don't have a single other player that a school like Bradley would even bother recruiting, yet they'd beat Bradley 10 out of 10 times.
I suspect there may even be more than a couple bigger schools willing to throw some big bucks at JL to try to lure him away.
It wouldn't be the worst move Bradley could make to go after him, though I don't see any chance that will happen.
Of all the blunders the BU President has made, and with all the failures in the hiring of every other losing coach, the firing of Jim Les will be remembered as the biggest mistake she ever made, and the single event that launched Bradley from a solid competitive D1 into obscurity and perpetual failure.
I suspect there may even be more than a couple bigger schools willing to throw some big bucks at JL to try to lure him away.
It wouldn't be the worst move Bradley could make to go after him, though I don't see any chance that will happen.
Of all the blunders the BU President has made, and with all the failures in the hiring of every other losing coach, the firing of Jim Les will be remembered as the biggest mistake she ever made, and the single event that launched Bradley from a solid competitive D1 into obscurity and perpetual failure.
AZ BU Fan
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In other words, everything JL wasn't at BU...
Sorry DC, but facts are facts.... One magical NCAA run from a 4th place team. After his disaster in 2010-11, I believe you were only willing to give JL only one more year after 9 years of mostly middle of the pack (padded by W's over lessor regarded non con teams) with a declining last two years. I wasn't willing to wait longer as I had expended all my faith and wishful thinking Nov after Nov after Nov. after Nov. The NCAA run shine, that obscured the regular season/MVC Tournament so so of possibly the greatest talented BU team since the 80's JL&HH, had worn off .
The biggest mistake BU ever made was not letting JL go, but, how they did it and hiring the new President they did, the new AD they did and a coach who had a better track record than JL did when he was hired out of Sacramento, and was legally off limits at the time to them. Hope BU sued the lawyers who advised them on that hire....
I think we can safely agree on the second paragraph. We can agree to disagree on the first.. You roll the dice, you take your chances. Sometimes you roll a 7, some times you crap out.
But you step up and play the game and take a risk at greater success! Now former BU regime crapped out..
GO BU
Blame JL for having a solid season? I would imagine they scheduled like they usually did, I don't know, but this season they are winning. He recruited this team so he gets the credit for a great season and like he did here for putting butts in the seats.
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All I said was his sos is weak. His scheduling was a little lighter than previous years. I don't think it matters though because it would be nearly impossible for the big west to ever get an at large team.
Never once did I discredit the team he built this year or the season he's having. In fact, he probably locked up an NIT bid last night, a place we haven't been in 7 or so years.
tornado
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UC-Davis was bad last year and there were some fans wanting the school to make a change...
but now even those fans realize what a colossal blunder that would have been. Coach Les is smart enough
to know a mid-major like UC-Davis isn't going to be great every year, so just be patient, and work your
roster so that you have an excellent season as often as possible - which means play thru injuries, redshirt kids,
and make smart moves, utilizing the talents of the players you have.
Some Bradley people just can't figure it out - they keep looking at what they don't have instead of what they do have- so it leads
to firing a good coach and chasing like heck to hire a far worse one.
Especially, recruit shooters & scorers -
they tend to be better than guys who couldn't get recruited in high school, couldn't score in juco,
couldn't even earn minutes at small mid-majors like CMU, Air Force, or FIU...
This philosophy will help you avoid really stupid comments like...
"gee, the shots just weren't falling...I just don't know why none of our players can put the ball in the hoop..."
but now even those fans realize what a colossal blunder that would have been. Coach Les is smart enough
to know a mid-major like UC-Davis isn't going to be great every year, so just be patient, and work your
roster so that you have an excellent season as often as possible - which means play thru injuries, redshirt kids,
and make smart moves, utilizing the talents of the players you have.
Some Bradley people just can't figure it out - they keep looking at what they don't have instead of what they do have- so it leads
to firing a good coach and chasing like heck to hire a far worse one.
Especially, recruit shooters & scorers -
they tend to be better than guys who couldn't get recruited in high school, couldn't score in juco,
couldn't even earn minutes at small mid-majors like CMU, Air Force, or FIU...
This philosophy will help you avoid really stupid comments like...
"gee, the shots just weren't falling...I just don't know why none of our players can put the ball in the hoop..."
Please. You aren't going to play the 2010-11 card, are you?
That team was picked to finish 4th in the MVC that year, and would have had a successful season, except for the misfortune of having his top 2 players out for virtually the entire year, something that was completely out of Jim's hands.
He still won 12 games (as many as Geno won last year with a complete and healthy roster in his 3rd season, and more than he'll win this season in his 4th year), and he won a game in the MVC Tournament to reward the fans who made the trip to St. Louis, something we haven't had since Jim left.
5 winning seasons in a row with an average of 20 wins. AZ, you and I are not likely to see that again in our lifetime. That's what we traded for the absolute worst 4 year stretch in the 112 year history of Bradley basketball.
What a blunder to throw that away for what we got instead. Jim has proven he can recruit, coach, and be successful at UCD. IMO, he would have rebuilt and been successful here.
People are free to believe he had to go, but please don't justify it with that 2010-11 season. Right now we would have Remy Abell and Corey Hawkins in our backcourt, along with other recruits that would be far better than what we have had for the last 4 seasons (since there is no way they could be worse).
houstonbrave
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Ok-I admit I am a Jim Les supporter, but I agree we were not always as good as I hoped but I also think lots of folks are getting pretty revisionist in their view of his history.
Jims records were as follows:
2005-6 22-11 T5
2006-7 22-13 4 (W/O NBA Lotter Pick Patrick)
2007-8 21-17 T5
2008-9 21-15 4
2009-10 16-15 T5
2010-11 12-20 T9 (w/o 2 all conference players due to injury)
While I agree we would all like to see conference titles I really don't agree with what the Bradley Record book states as 4 seasons of a downward trend. Yes 2010/11 was disappointing. We are never happy with that sort of result, but as a mid-major you just cannot handle losing 2 all conference players for the season. It will result in a struggle period.
Lots of folks said he could not coach and it was all Chuck in the early years. While I think highly of Chuck I think he has proven he can coach and remarkably his team can shoot. So, yes I think it was a STUPID decision and yes, if I could have him back I would take him. In a second.
Jims records were as follows:
2005-6 22-11 T5
2006-7 22-13 4 (W/O NBA Lotter Pick Patrick)
2007-8 21-17 T5
2008-9 21-15 4
2009-10 16-15 T5
2010-11 12-20 T9 (w/o 2 all conference players due to injury)
While I agree we would all like to see conference titles I really don't agree with what the Bradley Record book states as 4 seasons of a downward trend. Yes 2010/11 was disappointing. We are never happy with that sort of result, but as a mid-major you just cannot handle losing 2 all conference players for the season. It will result in a struggle period.
Lots of folks said he could not coach and it was all Chuck in the early years. While I think highly of Chuck I think he has proven he can coach and remarkably his team can shoot. So, yes I think it was a STUPID decision and yes, if I could have him back I would take him. In a second.
tornado
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plus...when that was accomplished, we regularly played a TOP 100 Strength of Schedule and had RPI's as high as in the 30's.
MacabreMob
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I watched most of the 2nd half last night online on ESPN3. Corey is lights out like his dad and with that same ability to quickly catch, turn and shoot with a defender in his face and drain a 3. And the passing. The PASSING. I noticed it right away. Such great passing... and bounce passes. Loved it. And they have other players that can score and rebound. They were fun to watch last night.
I understand they were playing Long Beach St and not Kentucky.... but they honestly looked like a decent polished team that is playing very well together right now.
I like them.
UC Davis won again Saturday night over Hawaii 74-67. They move to 21-4, and 11-1 in the Big West.
Hawaii is the only Big West team to have beaten UCD, and it looked like the'd have a good chance to beat them again tonight. 2nd leading scorer Josh Ritchart went out of the game in the first few minutes with what looked like a knee injury, and was scoreless. Leading scorer Corey Hawkins was plagued by foul trouble all night, and was double teamed much of the time he was playing. He missed his first 7 shots, and finished just 1-8 and a total of just 6 points. But Coach Les inserted Tyler Les midway through the first half, and he hit 5 of 6 from three before halftime, and finished the night 9-13 for 28 points to lead UC Davis.
Wouldn't it be nice if Bradley had a perimeter shooter like that!? 8)
As a team, UCD shot 46.4% from the field, and 50% (10-20) from three to improve their top 3-point shooting percentage in the country to 46.3%.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400595999
Hawaii is the only Big West team to have beaten UCD, and it looked like the'd have a good chance to beat them again tonight. 2nd leading scorer Josh Ritchart went out of the game in the first few minutes with what looked like a knee injury, and was scoreless. Leading scorer Corey Hawkins was plagued by foul trouble all night, and was double teamed much of the time he was playing. He missed his first 7 shots, and finished just 1-8 and a total of just 6 points. But Coach Les inserted Tyler Les midway through the first half, and he hit 5 of 6 from three before halftime, and finished the night 9-13 for 28 points to lead UC Davis.
Wouldn't it be nice if Bradley had a perimeter shooter like that!? 8)
As a team, UCD shot 46.4% from the field, and 50% (10-20) from three to improve their top 3-point shooting percentage in the country to 46.3%.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400595999
AZ BU Fan
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Corey Hawkins at BU? That's rich DC. Don't remember there was any talk about that during JL's time at BU.... Didn't he end up at UCD with JL cause ASU had other underclass guards who played ahead of him as a frosh? If he loved JL so much, why didn't he commit to BU as a HS jr when Les was still firmly entrenched at BU and needed that kind of commitment to help him stay?
You speculate they would both be at BU today, I speculate that RA would have bailed on BU when he had the chance to go bigger. He and his posse/family had GRANGER written all over them.
You must skip over my posts, I was happy to let Les go because he never finished higher than 4th in the MVC, never won a MVC Tourney, and couldn't recruit a big man/men who made a difference in the post/paint since NCAA team/NIT.
None of his teams after the NIT shot particularly well, none defended particularly well, rebounding? JL hung his hat on lots of stuff that never panned out.
I could care less about 20 wins if they came from a constant mid pack (or worse) team beating 3-4 totally inferior teams in EIEIO post season tourneys.
Who cares whether JL is or isn't better than GF now. JL had his chance. GF had a better resume than JL when they were hired and was given his chance and it didn't work out. I support BU moving on.
JL has had exactly one team with a top record in 14 seasons as a head coach, his 2014-15 UCD Team. Impressive.
Get over the NCAA miracle run by a 4th place team. Take that away, and what do you have with JL at BU.... Mediocrity... Some will sell out and be happy with that and dream of the would of, could of, should of that will some day happen....just wait.
Sorry, not me.
Time for BU to now find someone better than JL & GF and move on.
Do you still have some of that JL Kool Aid left DC? I got to get me some of that. Powerful stuff.
tornado
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Well I understand there are people who did not want JL - but we have gone so far from what we had to worse it just isn't funny.
Our housecleaning has to go down in Wikipedia as one of the worst moves ever in college sports - and in fact one of the worst in all of history.
The fact remains and cannot be disputed, that the people who gladly hired Bradley's castoffs are loving every minute of it.
Barring a total collapse - Jim Les will win Coach of the Year there, while Ken Kavanagh has already garnered one national AD of the Year award there.
And everyone knows those two guys were NOT fired for their performance - they were fired because one person simply had a personality problem with them, and that one person chose to satisfy her own ego at the expense of not just the entire University's Athletic success - but indeed the well-being of the entire University itself once the financial meltdown hit.
Oh - and btw- BOTH UC-Davis & FGCU are rolling in RECORD REVENUES while Bradley is practically headed towards the poor house. - LINK - and this is remarkable given that the entire UC system is horribly run and in debt but UC-Davis is in excellent shape with outstanding revenues - drawing in $3.6 BILLION (with a "B")! LINK
UC-Davis 21-4 and 12-0 at home - 11-1 in league - but even more, they play an exciting brand of basketball, pass well, shoot exceptionally well and always compete - even their four losses were all single digits - no 34-point blowouts and embarrassments.
Watch the laughable claims start once again that Jim Les "caught lightning in a bottle" AGAIN!
By definition if you keep catching lightning in a bottle over & over then it is no fluke.
FGCU 21-7, 12-1 at home & 11-1 in league plus a Sweet 16 - and they have tripled their average home attendance in the past 5 years - TRIPLED.
(They AVERAGED 1429 in 2007 & 1566 in 2010 - now they're averaging 4400!)
Our housecleaning has to go down in Wikipedia as one of the worst moves ever in college sports - and in fact one of the worst in all of history.
The fact remains and cannot be disputed, that the people who gladly hired Bradley's castoffs are loving every minute of it.
Barring a total collapse - Jim Les will win Coach of the Year there, while Ken Kavanagh has already garnered one national AD of the Year award there.
And everyone knows those two guys were NOT fired for their performance - they were fired because one person simply had a personality problem with them, and that one person chose to satisfy her own ego at the expense of not just the entire University's Athletic success - but indeed the well-being of the entire University itself once the financial meltdown hit.
Oh - and btw- BOTH UC-Davis & FGCU are rolling in RECORD REVENUES while Bradley is practically headed towards the poor house. - LINK - and this is remarkable given that the entire UC system is horribly run and in debt but UC-Davis is in excellent shape with outstanding revenues - drawing in $3.6 BILLION (with a "B")! LINK
UC-Davis 21-4 and 12-0 at home - 11-1 in league - but even more, they play an exciting brand of basketball, pass well, shoot exceptionally well and always compete - even their four losses were all single digits - no 34-point blowouts and embarrassments.
Watch the laughable claims start once again that Jim Les "caught lightning in a bottle" AGAIN!
By definition if you keep catching lightning in a bottle over & over then it is no fluke.
FGCU 21-7, 12-1 at home & 11-1 in league plus a Sweet 16 - and they have tripled their average home attendance in the past 5 years - TRIPLED.
(They AVERAGED 1429 in 2007 & 1566 in 2010 - now they're averaging 4400!)
Corey Hawkins at BU? That's rich DC. Don't remember there was any talk about that during JL's time at BU.... Didn't he end up at UCD with JL cause ASU had other underclass guards who played ahead of him as a frosh? If he loved JL so much, why didn't he commit to BU as a HS jr when Les was still firmly entrenched at BU and needed that kind of commitment to help him stay?
You speculate they would both be at BU today, I speculate that RA would have bailed on BU when he had the chance to go bigger. He and his posse/family had GRANGER written all over them.
You must skip over my posts, I was happy to let Les go because he never finished higher than 4th in the MVC, never won a MVC Tourney, and couldn't recruit a big man/men who made a difference in the post/paint since NCAA team/NIT.
None of his teams after the NIT shot particularly well, none defended particularly well, rebounding? JL hung his hat on lots of stuff that never panned out.
I could care less about 20 wins if they came from a constant mid pack (or worse) team beating 3-4 totally inferior teams in EIEIO post season tourneys.
Who cares whether JL is or isn't better than GF now. JL had his chance. GF had a better resume than JL when they were hired and was given his chance and it didn't work out. I support BU moving on.
JL has had exactly one team with a top record in 14 seasons as a head coach, his 2014-15 UCD Team. Impressive.
Get over the NCAA miracle run by a 4th place team. Take that away, and what do you have with JL at BU.... Mediocrity... Some will sell out and be happy with that and dream of the would of, could of, should of that will some day happen....just wait.
Sorry, not me.
Time for BU to now find someone better than JL & GF and move on.
Do you still have some of that JL Kool Aid left DC? I got to get me some of that. Powerful stuff.
So you are saying we'd be as bad as we are if JL had stayed at Bradley?
Even you don't believe that.
Yes, there is no doubt Corey would be at Bradley. Not only did Coach Les tell me that, it says right here in this article that the "When Corey decided after his freshman season at Arizona State that he wanted to transfer, Hersey Hawkins called longtime friend Jim Les"-
http://www.sfgate.com/collegesports/article/UC-Davis-shoots-its-way-to-top-of-Big-West-6073686.php
And speculating that Remy Abell would have transferred is about as likely as me speculating that Fred Van Vleet would have come to Bradley if Jim had stayed. You are welcome to that speculation, but IMO it's ridiculous.
The bottom line is that Jim Les is having tremendous success at a school that was one of the worst programs in D1 year after year, while Bradley is spinning its wheels with at the bottom of a much-weakened MVC with an RPI around 300. Who would have predicted that Bradley would be so bad?
I guess I did. I am sorry that makes some people mad.