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Dave Reynolds' article 1/27

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http://www.bradleyhoops.com/homepage/x349736806/BU-aware-Jays-may-have-a-rallying-cry

Dave starts out saying...
"Disciplinary issues combined with.500 records have been non-existent
in Dana Altman??™s program for better than a decade."


But is that true about discipline issues? Lots have been made about Jim Les' discipline issues, but I contend Les has actually had fewer such issues than Dana!
He's certainly entitled to think what he wants, but what about the ongoing issues with Stinnett that have gone back 3 years and have resulted in numerous benchings and suspensions...those discipline issues certainly have been "existent"?
Also many people have posted that they have seen him drinking (while underage) and also smoking weed...I realize those are just hearsay accounts, but they are numerous and surely the coaching staff must be aware of all this??
And, as noted elsewhere there were troublesome issues with...
-Isacc Miles who refused to play the way Altman wanted and who had drug issues and suspensions, then finally got booted
-Ty Morrison, who had health problems but who had serious issues and anger at the Creighton staff for the way he was treated.
He didn't leave due to his illness, but due to issues with the staff.
http://mattperrault.blogspot.com/2007/05/was-ty-done-right-by-cu.html
-Kenton Walker, who indeed didn't get along with P'Allen, but really stated quite plainly that the reason he left was because of the inconsistent discipline coming from the coaching staff - NOT because of his differences with teammates.
-D'Angalo Jackson felt he was misled on his chances of playing time, argued with Dana and was gone...
-Terrell Taylor - who single handedly won the only NCAA Tourney game for Dana in the past decade, failed drug tests and was gopne after his junior year.
The kid was a potential stud, had 28 points in the upset of #5 seed Florida, and hit the game winning 3-pt shot in OT with 0.2 seconds in the game.
-Cavel Witter and Dana had issues non-stop and Cavel left then was begged back and now has a much smaller role......

and there were others, Bishop, Henderson, Porter...but a lot of the discipline issues were not plastered all over the papers like happens in Peoria, and some were just rumored, but where there's smoke, there's fire.......so I perhaps DR never heard about them...


so...believe what you want...but I find it surprising that Bradley gets labelled as a renegade program with lots of discipline issues, but we've had fewer than HALF the issues Crighton has had in the same time span, and CU is described as
"Disciplinary issues ..have been non-existent ..for better than a decade" :roll::roll::roll:
 
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tornado said:
http://www.bradleyhoops.com/homepage/x349736806/BU-aware-Jays-may-have-a-rallying-cry

so...believe what you want...but I find it surprising that Bradley gets labelled as a renegade program with lots of discipline issues, but we've had fewer than HALF the issues Crighton has had in the same time span, and CU is described as
"Disciplinary issues ..have been non-existent ..for better than a decade" :roll::roll::roll:
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Bradley DOES have lots of disciplinary problems. It seems to be common place at every school.

And Reynold said those two combined have been non existant, Which is very true.

Your logic is as flawed as the guy who gets pulled over for speeding and says "well why didn't you get the guy who just passed me going 85."

I don't know about a lot of folks here, but I'd give my left pinky toe for Altman to be coaching at Bradley.
 
tornado said:
http://www.bradleyhoops.com/homepage/x349736806/BU-aware-Jays-may-have-a-rallying-cry

Dave starts out saying...
"Disciplinary issues combined with.500 records have been non-existent
in Dana Altman??™s program for better than a decade."


But is that true about discipline issues? Lots have been made about Jim Les' discipline issues, but I contend Les has actually had fewer such issues than Dana!
He's certainly entitled to think what he wants, but what about the ongoing issues with Stinnett that have gone back 3 years and have resulted in numerous benchings and suspensions...those discipline issues certainly have been "existent"?
Also many people have posted that they have seen him drinking (while underage) and also smoking weed...I realize those are just hearsay accounts, but they are numerous and surely the coaching staff must be aware of all this??
And, as noted elsewhere there were troublesome issues with...
-Isacc Miles who refused to play the way Altman wanted and who had drug issues and suspensions, then finally got booted
-Ty Morrison, who had health problems but who had serious issues and anger at the Creighton staff for the way he was treated.
He didn't leave due to his illness, but due to issues with the staff.
http://mattperrault.blogspot.com/2007/05/was-ty-done-right-by-cu.html
-Kenton Walker, who indeed didn't get along with P'Allen, but really stated quite plainly that the reason he left was because of the inconsistent discipline coming from the coaching staff - NOT because of his differences with teammates.
-D'Angalo Jackson felt he was misled on his chances of playing time, argued with Dana and was gone...
-Terrell Taylor - who single handedly won the only NCAA Tourney game for Dana in the past decade, failed drug tests and was gopne after his junior year.
The kid was a potential stud, had 28 points in the upset of #5 seed Florida, and hit the game winning 3-pt shot in OT with 0.2 seconds in the game.
-Cavel Witter and Dana had issues non-stop and Cavel left then was begged back and now has a much smaller role......

and there were others, Bishop, Henderson, Porter...but a lot of the discipline issues were not plastered all over the papers like happens in Peoria, and some were just rumored, but where there's smoke, there's fire.......so I perhaps DR never heard about them...


so...believe what you want...but I find it surprising that Bradley gets labelled as a renegade program with lots of discipline issues, but we've had fewer than HALF the issues Crighton has had in the same time span, and CU is described as
"Disciplinary issues ..have been non-existent ..for better than a decade" :roll::roll::roll:
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Unless I missed something- Dave Reynolds has never labeled Bradley as a renegade progarm- so the two have nothing to do with each other.. His article stands alone..

And I also don't care what happens at other schools- and half of what you reported never saw the light of day, so who cares?
 
Braveman said:
Unless I missed something- Dave Reynolds has never labeled Bradley as a renegade progarm- so the two have nothing to do with each other.. His article stands alone..

And I also don't care what happens at other schools- and half of what you reported never saw the light of day, so who cares?
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Agreed...the mudslinging about other programs as a way for us to feel better about the problems we have/have had is getting old.
It's interesting to me how "where there's smoke, there's fire" allows rumors at other schools to suddenly become "truths"...but at BU, similar situations are all "bogus speculation", "hearsay", "he-said-he-said", "unsubstantiated" non-issues.:roll:...When there are rumors at BU, the saying must evidently go, "where there's smoke, there's a liar" :lol::lol:
 
I read the article and I ask myself how did it turn into a referendum of CU vs BU off the court issues. I read and for once found out how JL feels about the subtraction of P'Allen. Good balanced article from DR! Nothing more nothing less. I gues some people do not feel like their day is complete unless they make a mountain out of a mole hill.
 
Braveman said:
Unless I missed something- Dave Reynolds has never labeled Bradley as a renegade progarm- so the two have nothing to do with each other.. His article stands alone..

And I also don't care what happens at other schools- and half of what you reported never saw the light of day, so who cares?
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so if a discipline issue never shows up on your web page, then it's non-existent??

there have been numerous discipline issues in the past several years at CU, talk of it HAS been in the press and on the blogs and boards many times, many places, and that's all I am saying.........

Ha, ha, I wonder how much objection I'd get if I said discipline issues are non-existent or minor at Bradley??
Yet - the few issues of Ruff, Battle, TB, TCS...were minor, not related to drugs or breakage of team rules, all the charges in the case were deferred or later cleared, and none were team-issues between the player and the coach requiring discipline...while most of the more numerous issues at Creighton ARE!!

The non-existency of discipline issues at Creighton has been proven beyond doubt to be non-existent.
 
Seriously, this act is getting old T.

There was no spin in that article about BU being a renegade program. Dave is a very good writer, and his accolades and accomplishments speak for themselves. Is that honestly how your mind works, or do you just say stuff like this to stir the pot? I sincerely hope it's the latter...
 
it is as it is, but you haven't refuted the drug use, player dismissals, and discipline issues under Dana....
it is certainly getting old to some of the Bluejay fans....if it is old to you, then so be it
 
It's obviously just his opinion. Please don't get so worked up because someone has a different opinion.

I can see his issue- that DRs article suggests Dana Altman's program hasn't had to deal with disciplinary issues. But that isn't entirely true, as Creighton has had a number of significant player discipline issues. I applaud Dana Altman for dealing with them, and I applaud the Creighton press and fans for not making such a big deal about them the way such issues are handled with such sensationalism by the Peoria press and some fans.
 
If he can get worked up when others have differing opinions, then I can get worked up when he does the same tricks over and over again.

I'm just saying that it's honestly getting a little stale and old IMO.
 
When I see posts that repeat tired, old thoughts over and over again, I just skip over them and ignore them.
 
tornado said:
so if a discipline issue never shows up on your web page, then it's non-existent??

there have been numerous discipline issues in the past several years at CU, talk of it HAS been in the press and on the blogs and boards many times, many places, and that's all I am saying.........

Ha, ha, I wonder how much objection I'd get if I said discipline issues are non-existent or minor at Bradley??
Yet - the few issues of Ruff, Battle, TB, TCS...were minor, not related to drugs or breakage of team rules, all the charges in the case were deferred or later cleared, and none were team-issues between the player and the coach requiring discipline...while most of the more numerous issues at Creighton ARE!!

The non-existency of discipline issues at Creighton has been proven beyond doubt to be non-existent.
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ZZZZZZZZ...

OK...great...the existence of discipline issues at Creighton has been PROVEN BEYOND DOUBT...what do we win? I really don't think anyone cares...
You brought up a bunch of examples from Creighton where players left because they were disgruntled with playing time, issues with the staff, or because there were rumored issues...so I think your all-inclusive list of BU "issues" being Ruff, Battle, TB, TCS is quite a bit lacking if you are using the same criteria to compare 'issues' at both schools...
 
Tornado needs to be more like me.... I no longer read the local rag and pretty much avoid the crap from the drive-by media. Period. :D
 
Da Coach said:
When I see posts that repeat tired, old thoughts over and over again, I just skip over them and ignore them.
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C'mon, Da Coach...you know that is completely untrue.
There have been hundreds of tired, old posts with the same thoughts on Jim Les or other 'broken record' topics...and you provide your opinions in all of them...you would never simply "skip over them and ignore them"...
 
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