Dave Reynolds' article 1/27

[New Guy]

The only person in this thread to use the names of BU players in the same sentence with the word charges is tornado. To defend the position that CU is in worst shape than BU as far as dicipline you have to mention BU's trouble.

Now I am reminded that BU's problems have included law enforcement and NCAA suspensions and CU's are mainly internal.

Was that the goal when you threw the rock?

 

[ER3]

The only person in this thread to use the names of BU players in the same sentence with the word charges is tornado. To defend the position that CU is in worst shape than BU as far as dicipline you have to mention BU's trouble.

Now I am reminded that BU's problems have included law enforcement and NCAA suspensions and CU's are mainly internal.

Was that the goal when you threw the rock?

Agreed...and to be fair, if he wants to compare "apples to apples" here, his "all-inclusive list" of problems that occurred at BU of Ruff, TB, Battle, and TCS is woefully incomplete...There are many other suspensions, "issues with the staff", and player defections from BU that are conveniently missing from his argument. (Granger, POB, Franklin, R. Brown, Fears, Jassey, Austin, Norris are just a few that come to mind that would have to be brought in from the BU side of things based on the criteria used for his 'comparison'). Do that, and suddenly, BU doesn't look so "squeaky clean".

 

[real fan]

It's obviously just his opinion. Please don't get so worked up because someone has a different opinion.

I can see his issue- that DRs article suggests Dana Altman's program hasn't had to deal with disciplinary issues. But that isn't entirely true, as Creighton has had a number of significant player discipline issues. I applaud Dana Altman for dealing with them, and I applaud the Creighton press and fans for not making such a big deal about them the way such issues are handled with such sensationalism by the Peoria press and some fans.

The Creighton administration has no problem with their students drunk and belligerent behavior every year at the Valley tournament so I doubt they even get involved with anything to do with the athletic dept.

 

[SaintLouBrave22]

The Creighton administration has no problem with their students drunk and belligerent behavior every year at the Valley tournament so I doubt they even get involved with anything to do with the athletic dept.

Yes, and this shows the fine line between not getting involved (Creighton) and getting involved in activities way too much (Glasser)...


You need some sort of middle ground.

 

[Bradleyguy10]

http://www.bradleyhoops.com/homepage/x349736806/BU-aware-Jays-may-have-a-rallying-cry

Dave starts out saying...
"Disciplinary issues combined with.500 records have been non-existent
in Dana Altman??™s program for better than a decade."


But is that true about discipline issues? Lots have been made about Jim Les' discipline issues, but I contend Les has actually had fewer such issues than Dana!
He's certainly entitled to think what he wants, but what about the ongoing issues with Stinnett that have gone back 3 years and have resulted in numerous benchings and suspensions...those discipline issues certainly have been "existent"?
Also many people have posted that they have seen him drinking (while underage) and also smoking weed...I realize those are just hearsay accounts, but they are numerous and surely the coaching staff must be aware of all this??
And, as noted elsewhere there were troublesome issues with...
-Isacc Miles who refused to play the way Altman wanted and who had drug issues and suspensions, then finally got booted
-Ty Morrison, who had health problems but who had serious issues and anger at the Creighton staff for the way he was treated.
He didn't leave due to his illness, but due to issues with the staff.
http://mattperrault.blogspot.com/2007/05/was-ty-done-right-by-cu.html
-Kenton Walker, who indeed didn't get along with P'Allen, but really stated quite plainly that the reason he left was because of the inconsistent discipline coming from the coaching staff - NOT because of his differences with teammates.
-D'Angalo Jackson felt he was misled on his chances of playing time, argued with Dana and was gone...
-Terrell Taylor - who single handedly won the only NCAA Tourney game for Dana in the past decade, failed drug tests and was gopne after his junior year.
The kid was a potential stud, had 28 points in the upset of #5 seed Florida, and hit the game winning 3-pt shot in OT with 0.2 seconds in the game.
-Cavel Witter and Dana had issues non-stop and Cavel left then was begged back and now has a much smaller role......

and there were others, Bishop, Henderson, Porter...but a lot of the discipline issues were not plastered all over the papers like happens in Peoria, and some were just rumored, but where there's smoke, there's fire.......so I perhaps DR never heard about them...


so...believe what you want...but I find it surprising that Bradley gets labelled as a renegade program with lots of discipline issues, but we've had fewer than HALF the issues Crighton has had in the same time span, and CU is described as
"Disciplinary issues ..have been non-existent ..for better than a decade" :roll::roll::roll:

 

[SaintLouBrave22]

:lol:

 

[tornado]

The only person in this thread to use the names of BU players in the same sentence with the word charges is tornado. To defend the position that CU is in worst shape than BU as far as dicipline you have to mention BU's trouble.

Now I am reminded that BU's problems have included law enforcement and NCAA suspensions and CU's are mainly internal.

Was that the goal when you threw the rock?

no - you are simply wrong...
the topic was that Creighton DOES have discipline issues despite what the article says...
out of the blue, someone else brings Bradley into the discussion,
Bradley was not part of this topic until someone else brought it in unprompted and now others chime in...it was not me who took the conversation off course as usual......
I am prepared to defend and give references for what I say, but I seem to be the only one who ever does...

I believe I have given sufficient evidence to prove Creighton DOES have discipline issues, so I rest my case.
If you guys want to drag out the argument of whether Bradley also has discipline issues, feel free.......

 

[Bradleyguy10]

no - you are simply wrong...
the topic was that Creighton DOES have discipline issues despite what the article says...
out of the blue, someone else brings Bradley into the discussion,
Bradley was not part of this topic until someone else brought it in unprompted and now others chime in...it was not me who took the conversation off course as usual......
I am prepared to defend and give references for what I say, but I seem to be the only one who ever does...

I believe I have given sufficient evidence to prove Creighton DOES have discipline issues, so I rest my case.
If you guys want to drag out the argument of whether Bradley also has discipline issues, feel free.......

Tornado, in your very fist post you mention Jim Les in the same sentence as Dana Altman as well as Bradley along with Creighton. How can you even say someone else "out of the blue" brought up the comparison when your first post was indeed a very long winded comparison and defense of Bradley by accusing Creighton.


its like you are trying to convince that we aren't so bad because others are worse....it doesn't work like that

 

[dogsrus]

no - you are simply wrong...
the topic was that Creighton DOES have discipline issues despite what the article says...
out of the blue, someone else brings Bradley into the discussion,
Bradley was not part of this topic until someone else brought it in unprompted and now others chime in...it , feel free.......

First post 5th sentence YOU brought BU into the discusion........so to use YOUR words....."no YOU are simply wrong."


And IF you are going to be allowed to use hearsay and rumor about P and drugs then you are going to have to include those SAME rumors about us. For starters Browns latest suspension was becuase he was hammered out of his mind and Les had to rescue him from a party where he didn't even recognize JL.

He then missed a game that HURT BU on the court.

Keep casting those stones......

 

[That Guy]

I think I found our culprit of who brought Bradley into this discussion...

But is that true about discipline issues? Lots have been made about Jim Les' discipline issues, but I contend Les has actually had fewer such issues than Dana!

so...believe what you want...but I find it surprising that Bradley gets labelled as a renegade program with lots of discipline issues, but we've had fewer than HALF the issues Crighton has had in the same time span, and CU is described as
"Disciplinary issues ..have been non-existent ..for better than a decade" :roll::roll::roll:

So when you post what you said is "hearsay" you saw on other message boards as part of your argument, it is considered ****ing evidence. However, when we post an account of the problems we have had in the past with various players of our own, it is considered to be a bad thing. Not sure where your argument is here.

You were the first, and only, person on this thread that has said anything about BU being a renegade program.

 

[mexicobufan]

All I want is for Bradley to beat Creighton tonight so they can get back to Omaha and take care of any behavioral issues they may have!!!! Beyond that everything else is irrelevant.......

 

[bigdaddystuck]

But is that true about discipline issues? Lots have been made about Jim Les' discipline issues, but I contend Les has actually had fewer such issues than Dana!
He's certainly entitled to think what he wants, but what about the ongoing issues with Stinnett that have gone back 3 years and have resulted in numerous benchings and suspensions...those discipline issues certainly have been "existent"?
Also many people have posted that they have seen him drinking (while underage) and also smoking weed...I realize those are just hearsay accounts, but they are numerous and surely the coaching staff must be aware of all this??
And, as noted elsewhere there were troublesome issues with...
-Isacc Miles who refused to play the way Altman wanted and who had drug issues and suspensions, then finally got booted
-Ty Morrison, who had health problems but who had serious issues and anger at the Creighton staff for the way he was treated.
He didn't leave due to his illness, but due to issues with the staff.
http://mattperrault.blogspot.com/2007/05/was-ty-done-right-by-cu.html
-Kenton Walker, who indeed didn't get along with P'Allen, but really stated quite plainly that the reason he left was because of the inconsistent discipline coming from the coaching staff - NOT because of his differences with teammates.
-D'Angalo Jackson felt he was misled on his chances of playing time, argued with Dana and was gone...
-Terrell Taylor - who single handedly won the only NCAA Tourney game for Dana in the past decade, failed drug tests and was gopne after his junior year.
The kid was a potential stud, had 28 points in the upset of #5 seed Florida, and hit the game winning 3-pt shot in OT with 0.2 seconds in the game.
-Cavel Witter and Dana had issues non-stop and Cavel left then was begged back and now has a much smaller role......



so...believe what you want...but I find it surprising that Bradley gets labelled as a renegade program with lots of discipline issues, but we've had fewer than HALF the issues Crighton has had in the same time span, and CU is described as
"Disciplinary issues ..have been non-existent ..for better than a decade" :roll::roll::roll:

Many of these things you point out are disagreements with players about playing time or their role on the team. They don't seem to have had many problems with players getting arrested, pulled over by police, under-age drinking, fighting, etc. Their problems seem to be of the variety of minor disagreements between a player and the coach. Problems? Yes, but nothing of the major variety.
So this problem with Stinnett seems to be the first of the truly major variety and it seems that DA is dealing with it.

 

[Da Coach]

C'mon, Da Coach...you know that is completely untrue.
There have been hundreds of tired, old posts with the same thoughts on Jim Les or other 'broken record' topics...and you provide your opinions in all of them...you would never simply "skip over them and ignore them"...

This show just how out of touch JL's frequent bashers are, and how much is exaggerated.
I post a lot, but other than one post with an image of a broken record (which, by the way, I did not initiate), I have ignored and not commented on the hundreds, if not thousands of posts that constantly remind us that Bradley has not finished higher than 4th under Jim Les.
We are also reminded endlessly of his reocrd, and lack of NCAA appearances (if we skip 2006).
If you can show evidence where I have criticized people posting this repetetive info, please do so. But I could show hundreds of cases where I have simply ignored it, as I suggest those who get so worked up over tornado's posts should do.

 

[dogsrus]

This show just how out of touch JL's frequent bashers are, and how much is exaggerated.
I post a lot, but other than one post with an image of a broken record (which, by the way, I did not initiate), I have ignored and not commented on the hundreds, if not thousands of posts that constantly remind us that Bradley has not finished higher than 4th under Jim Les.
We are also reminded endlessly of his reocrd, and lack of NCAA appearances (if we skip 2006).
If you can show evidence where I have criticized people posting this repetetive info, please do so. But I could show hundreds of cases where I have simply ignored it, as I suggest those who get so worked up over tornado's posts should do.

How about some honest talk and a dose of reality....


99% of those comments you ignore are a result of people that feel obligated to post in rebutal becuase one person repeatedly makes Bradley and the fanbase look like fools.

The majority wants others to understand we don't feel that way and most don't care about ISU speeding tickets and Dana Altmans lack of institiutional control at CU among a MYRIAD of other pointless drivel. Not to mention being told if we don't give BU players A's on the report card then we should go root for another team......

Quite frankly people are ticked off, embarassed and while this board is succesfull its become a laughingstock throughout the valley. Thats sad.


People defend guys like P Allen and bring up stuff about Les to be fair NOT to bash.

 

[MacabreMob]

Quite frankly people are ticked off, embarassed and while this board is succesfull its become a laughingstock throughout the valley. Thats sad.

Quite honestly - I could care less what other people at other boards think about Bradley, this board, and its posters.

 

[SaintLouBrave22]

How about some honest talk and a dose of reality....


99% of those comments you ignore are a result of people that feel obligated to post in rebutal becuase one person repeatedly makes Bradley and the fanbase look like fools.

The majority wants others to understand we don't feel that way and most don't care about ISU speeding tickets and Dana Altmans lack of institiutional control at CU among a MYRIAD of other pointless drivel.

Quite frankly people are ticked off, embarassed and while this board is succesfull its become a laughingstock throughout the valley. Thats sad.


People defend guys like P Allen and bring up stuff about Les to be fair NOT to bash.

This has to be the best statement made all day...


As I have said before, I along w/ most others could really give a cr*p less about what Creighton, ISU, SIU, etc. are doing and what goes on w/ their players or staff...


All we care about is Bradley Basketball, good or bad, and I would venture to guess that most of us don't live in Neverland or Disneyworld...

Simply put, whether it be good or bad, we CAN and SHOULD be able to accurately tell it like it is...


-FACT BU did overachieve at the end of 06 into the Sweet 16...It put Les on the map

-FACT BU has consistently been mediocre in conference play to the point that they have never finished above 4th

-FACT BU has finished below .500 in 3 of Les' 7 seasons

-FACT BU has all the talent to win this league



^^ That right there is just a glimpse...


There's no sense in negativity if there's no reason to be.


LIKEWISE...


There's no sense in positivism when it just isn't true.



Thats all I have.

 

[New Guy]

no - you are simply wrong...
the topic was that Creighton DOES have discipline issues despite what the article says...
out of the blue, someone else brings Bradley into the discussion,
.......

Wow, I don't even know what to say to that. Other than you might notice I have been a member here 4 years and only have 266 posts.

Maybe denial IS a river in Egypt.

Go Braves beat Dana's renegade thugs.

 

[KillerB]

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"Quite frankly people are ticked off, embarassed and while this board is succesfull its become a laughingstock throughout the valley. Thats sad. "

I can't speak in terms that general Dogs.. but my SIU friends wish in many cases their board was more like ours. They say their board is way too negative.

 

[JMM28]

I can't speak in terms that general Dogs.. but my SIU friends wish in many cases their board was more like ours. They say their board is way too negative.

But that is because most SIU fans are angry they have to go to the library to use the computer. Probably because their home still has wheels.

 

[Bradleyguy10]

"Quite frankly people are ticked off, embarassed and while this board is succesfull its become a laughingstock throughout the valley. Thats sad. "

I can't speak in terms that general Dogs.. but my SIU friends wish in many cases their board was more like ours. They say their board is way too negative.

I think there is and SHOULD be limits on the negativity. For the most part I agree with that.

There needs to be new and tighter restrictions on the hypocrisy. (and other questionable things)


Just my 2 cents........(that I give out whenever the opportunity is available):lol: