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Dayton loses, hopes for NIT bid

tornado

tornado

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Dayton was everyone's pick as the class of the A-10 - and they even spent a lot of the early season inside the AP Top 20!

Then they began actually playing tougher conference opponents...
and over the final part of the season they went 3-6 over their final 9 games..
to end 8-8 in the conference, 7th place...

Their soft, early season schedule came back to haunt them just like ISU's did, and now a lot of the fans are pretty ticked at Brian Gregory...

Coach Gregory was a hero to some early in the season....and some BU fans are still pining about us not getting him...
but here's what a few of the Dayton fans think...they are not happy......
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/20395204
 
tornado said:
Their soft, early season schedule came back to haunt them just like ISU's did, and now a lot of the fans are pretty ticked at Brian Gregory...
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Dayton's first 4 games of the season:

Creighton
Ga Tech
Villanova
Kansas State

Their non-conference schedule also consists of:

New Mexico
Old Dominion
 
Creighton was a .500 club, and Georgia Tech also lost 6 of their last 9 and was not as good as many thought..
the other two early opponents - Dayton got beat...
THEN they played a long line of Towsons, Lehighs, Presbyterians, and Appalachian States, and Fordhams...
They only faced two opponents between 11/22/09 and 1/16/190 whose RPI was better than 100.
That's a long stretch of cupcakes...
but you're right....it's no match for ISU's stretch from summer through 12/29/09 in which ISU faced exclusively DII teams and teams whose RPI's were around 350...

Of their NINE wins against conference opponents, guess how many came against the top half of the conference who have winning records?
Only two...and one was vs. Charlotte who went 9-8 against conference opponents..
 
tornado said:
Creighton was a .500 club, and Georgia Tech also lost 6 of their last 9 and was not as good as many thought..
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Ga Tech (RPI #35) is right there for an at-large bid though.

Funny you didn't mention Kansas State or Villanova in your breakdown.:mrgreen:

Since your huge into NON-CONFERENCE SOS.

Dayton's is #56.
 
The reason they're not in is because they went .500 in a good but not great conference and they were allergic to winning on the road. The non-con schedule is actually the one boon to the resume.
 
tornado said:
that's not what some think...
Pomeroy rates Dayton's schedule as #76 and Non-conference #56
but that doesn't erase that Dayton had nearly a dozen non-con opponents whose RPI's were from about 150 to 340...
http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Dayton
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I'm using ESPN InsideRPI.

Here's kenpom's explanation of his SoS:

The way I compute SOS is to average the opponents offensive and defensive ratings and to apply the pythagorean calculation to them to rank the overall schedules.
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The SoS I'm referencing is the one used by the selection committee.

Pretty semantic argument, but just FYI.
 
Earlier this week, weren't you touting Dayton as an example of a mid-major who should be in the dance instead of BCS teams like Missouri??????
 
Tulsa Brave said:
Earlier this week, weren't you touting Dayton as an example of a mid-major who should be in the dance instead of BCS teams like Missouri??????
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ha - nope - you obviously misread..
I was touting Mizzou as another BCS team whose credentials are less than stellar like Dayton's
Mizzou 22-10 losing 3 of their last 4 - non-conference SOS 297
Dayton 20-12 losing 3 of their last 4 - non-conference SOS 56
 
tornado said:
ha - nope - you obviously misread..
I was touting Mizzou as another BCS team whose credentials are less than stellar like Dayton's
Mizzou 22-10 losing 3 of their last 4 - non-conference SOS 297
Dayton 20-12 losing 3 of their last 4 - non-conference SOS 56
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Here's what you said...sorry if I misunderstood it...but of course a .500 team from the A-10 isn't going to get in over a 10-6 Big 12 team or an 11-7 Big East team. Dayton is far below those 2 in the pecking order...

"well...here's my prediction.......
all those BCS teams that many think are on the outside looking at an NIT bid....
teams like Illinois, UConn, Arizona, Florida, Mississippi State, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Seton Hall, Marquette, Notre Dame, Mizzou...
all of whom have either losing or mediocre conference records and even RPI's of MORE THAN twice what Barry Hinson's Missouri State etams had when they were excluded...

You watch...most if not all of these teams will swallow up the available at-large spots...
Last year there were so very few at large mid-majors...and this year will be no different....
Dayton has a Top-50 RPI & SOS, and they'll be left out, while Notre Dame has neither and they'll get in...book it.....I have never been wrong about this yet.....and I will relish and welcome it if I am wrong this year..."
 
wait a minute....you quote me as saying that probably Mizzou will be in & Dayton will get left out and Notre Dame will get in...
and voila, that's exactly what's going to happen.....so thanks for pointing out my prognostic abilities...
 
tornado said:
wait a minute....you quote me as saying that probably Mizzou will be in & Dayton will get left out and Notre Dame will get in...
and voila, that's exactly what's going to happen.....so thanks for pointing out my prognostic abilities...
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We all knew that was going to happen. There wasn't any doubt about any of those 3 teams. You made it sound like yes that was going to happen, but shouldn't. By any reasonable criteria, Mizzou and ND are in and Dayton is out. It wouldn't matter whether they played in the MVC, SWAC, or Big 12...that's how it would happen with the resumes of those 3 teams.
 
tornado said:
Coach Gregory was a hero to some early in the season....and some BU fans are still pining about us not getting him...
but here's what a few of the Dayton fans think...they are not happy......
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/20395204
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Gregory was far and away the best candidate for the BU head coaching job during the last coaching search, IMO...it's really unfortunate that he pulled his name out of the running. That would have been a great get for BU.
 
Gregory is a good coach, and his forte is said to be his recruiting. But some Dayton fans are tired of waiting for NCAA success.
This is his 7th season at Dayton, and his teams have faded late in every year. He made the NCAA his first year with all of Oliver Purnell's players, but was beaten in the first round. Then it took 5 more years before he returned to the NCAA in '08-'09. He went 1-1 that year, for an overall NCAA record of 1-2 in his first 6 seasons. They are 20-12 this year, 8-8 in the A-10 for 7th place.
Will Dayton get in this year? Unlikely. There are a lot of Dayton fans who want a change. Just goes to show fans are fickle.
 
Da Coach said:
Gregory is a good coach, and his forte is said to be his recruiting. But some Dayton fans are tired of waiting for NCAA success.
This is his 7th season at Dayton, and his teams have faded late in every year. He made the NCAA his first year with all of Oliver Purnell's players, but was beaten in the first round. Then it took 5 more years before he returned to the NCAA in '08-'09. He went 1-1 that year, for an overall NCAA record of 1-2 in his first 6 seasons. They are 20-12 this year, 8-8 in the A-10 for 7th place.
Will Dayton get in this year? Unlikely. There are a lot of Dayton fans who want a change. Just goes to show fans are fickle.
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If Dayton wants to cut him loose, go right ahead...just send him directly over to the Hilltop, and we'll find a home for him...
 
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