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Dodie Dunson leaving Iowa State

tornado said:
Yup, with the drawing power a Big XII school has, he could have done better.

Mizzou got UNANIMOUS BIG XII Newcomer of the Year, Stephon Hannah, recruited by brand new head coach (who had only been on the job a few weeks) Mike Anderson.

Mick Cronin at Cincy got several studs, including John Williamson and Marcus Sikes within the same time span McDermott was at ISU.

Marvin Kilgore went to UTEP, Takais Brown went to Georgia, James Davis had a great first year at Lamar, Cyrus Tate, Andre Smith, Lance Stemler, Anthony Slack, Matt Salley, and others were all good pickups during the late signing period, and turned out to be better than those guys who got booted at Iowa State.

Coming from Bradley, with the limited name recognition we have and conference affiliation, I have a really hard time feeling pity for the recruiting ability of a BIG STATE SCHOOL in the Big XII.
The point I made was that McD was giving out scholarships to kids that were obviously NOT BCS caliber, as I noted in my last post....I predicted they would not last and were midmajor caliber.
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Just as I expected, your list is marginal at best. Stephon Hannah was a JC teammate of Taylor's and our assistant coach, who had been an assistant at Chipola and coached them both, had his reasons for not pursuing Hannah and Hannah was not offered.

Over half the players you named were big men and not guards whch is what ISU needed. Tate was already committed to Iowa. Davis had drug charges in the past or something to that affect which is why he landed at Lamar. I am not in any way saying to take pity on ISU because we do not need any, we will be just fine, I am just pointing out that recruiting a Big 12 caliber set of guards in the spring is dicey at best.
 
marginal??
Half the jucojunction.com list of the Top 100 juco kids in 2006 were signed during the late signing period, and nearly HALF of them are guards.
Here's the top 100 overall
http://jucojunction.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=1199

I don't have the time to try again and again to give you a list you'll finally agree is satisfatory and not marginal, just do a little work and check it out yourself.

here, I'll make it even easier....a link to a list of top 64 juco point guards of 2006.
http://jucojunction.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=552467

You are free to make whatever judgement you want or whatever excuse you want for why so many of Grag McDermott's recruits never make it or stay less than a year.
but it is NOT a new phenomenon, and the alibi about only being on the job for a couple weeks, sure can't explain why it happened IN SPADES while McD was at UNI.

Of my list of 11 examples over the past couple years, 8 of them were from UNI, and it is no coincidence that I have also presented the evidence that he never saw most of them ever play a high school varsity game before offering them a scholarship. It's all about doing your homework.
 
tornado said:
marginal??
Half the jucojunction.com list of the Top 100 juco kids in 2006 were signed during the late signing period, and nearly HALF of them are guards.
Here's the top 100 overall
http://jucojunction.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=1199

I don't have the time to try again and again to give you a list you'll finally agree is satisfatory and not marginal, just do a little work and check it out yourself.

here, I'll make it even easier....a link to a list of top 64 juco point guards of 2006.
http://jucojunction.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=552467

You are free to make whatever judgement you want or whatever excuse you want for why so many of Grag McDermott's recruits never make it or stay less than a year.
but it is NOT a new phenomenon, and the alibi about only being on the job for a couple weeks, sure can't explain why it happened IN SPADES while McD was at UNI.

Of my list of 11 examples over the past couple years, 8 of them were from UNI, and it is no coincidence that I have also presented the evidence that he never saw most of them ever play a high school varsity game before offering them a scholarship. It's all about doing your homework.
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Your list proves my point.

The highest rated guard on the list went to Charlotte and averaged 6.2 points and 2.6 assists.

The next highest guard went to K State and averaged 5.3 points and 2.2 assists.

The third guard was Charles Burggess, a very solid guard that had committed five months before Greg was hired to Texas Tech.

The next guard had a great year at Troy but had verballed two months before Greg was at ISU.

In fact, as I sift down through that list, all either had underwhealming years last year or had verballed before Greg had been hired. There are very few like Hannah and Kilgore that were signed later and had solid years. Your argument is Greg was offering non-high major players scholarships which was true, because there were not very many high level D1 players left. The link you provided proves it. Most of those guards went to mid level schools and most underwhealmed last year. Taylor was probably in the top three in production of the guards on that list.

Time will tell if Greg's trend of having players not pan out continues, but I do find it interesting that with the success he has had that the focus is on the ones that didn't work and not the Eric Coleman's, Grant Stout's, etc that he did find early and did succeed.
 
FarmerClone said:
Your list proves my point.

The highest rated guard on the list went to Charlotte and averaged 6.2 points and 2.6 assists.

The next highest guard went to K State and averaged 5.3 points and 2.2 assists.....
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hmmm...those numbers are at least as good as Dunson's, and ISU fans seem satisfied with Dunson's contributions.

But the issue wasn't just getting kids with stats, but getting kids that would stay at school, and obviously with Dodie and Taylor, something was missed.
That's why you gotta KNOW who you're recruiting.
You can know a lot about the talent just by looking at the stats.....as you did.
But you need to know the player, and I cited that there were lots to choose from, but McD chose poorly.
It's an offshoot of his tendency to offer before he even knows much about them.
How else to explain that he offered kids full rides just by seeing them at his summer camp? How can you know a thing about that kid, but he offered none the less, and those kids testified McDermott hadn't even sent them a postcard prior to that!
 
Because Dunson's dyslexia wasn't discovered until he got to IoSU and he had never been in college, I don't think there was much that the coaches or he could do about that. Taylor on the otherhand was a trainwreck who was arrested many times and was not liked by many fans. He was cocky and "thuggish" and really needs some real help (I'm talking professional). I wish the best to both kids but you can't blame the coaches or Dunson for him not being able to stay in school. He finished with the grades to do so but probably wouldn't have made it through the winter. Taylor on the otherhand...
 
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