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Doug Elgin's own words about bad scheduling

From the Bradley/ISU notes:

"but the Salukis (235) will win potential tiebreakers versus both Bradley and Illinois State based on the non-conference strength of schedule tiebreaker."


That's embarrassing for all three teams in Illinois this year. Bradley & SIU need to get back to the non-conference schedules they've had and hopefully the new ISU AD can change the culture of their scheduling.
 
Stats of the day:

Non-conference schedule comparison: MVC and CAA

The MVC has 2 teams of 10 inside the Top 150. The CAA has 7 of 12 inside the Top 150.

The MVC is led by Wichita St at 59. 3 CAA teams are better.

The CAA has 11 of 12 teams inside the Top 225 (e.g., the 2/3rd cutoff point).

Our 3 main at-large candidates this season have SoSs of 59, 170, 199. The CAA's 3 main at-large candidates have 14, 46, and 136.

Tossing out the 2 outliers of Georgia St and Illinois St (equally bad), there are 3 MVC teams (SIU, Bradley, The Drake) with worse SoSs than every single CAA team.
 
Scheduling bcs teams is not easy unless you are willing to play these teams on the road , other best opportunity would be to get into a thanksgiving tour. that has several bcs schools in it.
 
real fan said:
Scheduling bcs teams is not easy unless you are willing to play these teams on the road , other best opportunity would be to get into a thanksgiving tour. that has several bcs schools in it.
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Very much agree that the MVC schools need to get into meaningful Thanksgiving tournaments. IMO, they also need to step up scheduling better mid-major schools with their non-conference schedules. Granted predicting the mid-major part of this can be tricky.
 
Northern Iowa got to play New Mexico and Indiana in a tournament setting.

Wichita St went to freakin' Maui, although they got unlucky with the draw.

Missouri St got a road game at Tennessee for the PNIT.

Bradley got whatever the heck that thing was in Massachusetts.

SIU got Purdue and Wright St in Chicago.


I don't think finding these tournaments are a problem. WINNING them is.
 
This is one area where I have been pleased with JL.

This year maybe a little iffy but not a big deal.


Heres my theory...

go on the road for buy games, then get buy games at home.


The newer coaches in this league have scheduled pathetically.

Its embarrassing really how bad its gotten
 
Has Elgin ever addressed the topic of some Valley schools making concerted efforts to torpedo the recruiting of other Valley schools?
 
tornado said:
Has Elgin ever addressed the topic of some Valley schools making concerted efforts to torpedo the recruiting of other Valley schools?
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That's called recruiting in general. Something Doug Elgin has no control over. Negative recruiting is a part of it. You know that.
 
canadian said:
That's called recruiting in general. Something Doug Elgin has no control over. Negative recruiting is a part of it. You know that.
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Not all coaches partake of negative recruiting. Ask any coach and he'll know who does and who doesn't.
 
Da Coach said:
Not all coaches partake of negative recruiting. Ask any coach and he'll know who does and who doesn't.
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And I'm guessing when asking that coach they won't mention themselves as a negative recruiter will they? ;)

Coaches are pretty careful about calling out other coaches on things like cheating, negative recruiting. At least the smart ones are.
 
If you don't want weaknesses in your recruiting targeted, you might as well get out of the business.

Seriously, that's part of the deal. I would expect us to do it equally in our efforts.
 
I don't think any coaches are worried about other coaches pointing out factual "weaknesses". It is the false charges, distortions, and outright lies that characterize some coach's recruiting tactics.
 
Da Coach said:
I don't think any coaches are worried about other coaches pointing out factual "weaknesses". It is the false charges, distortions, and outright lies that characterize some coach's recruiting tactics.
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Who are the coaches doing this? I talk to a decent amount of coaches and I don't hear any of them naming coaches who do this.

If its a lie and a distortion them I'm sure the recruit can figure that out for himself.
 
canadian said:
Who are the coaches doing this? I talk to a decent amount of coaches and I don't hear any of them naming coaches who do this.

If its a lie and a distortion them I'm sure the recruit can figure that out for himself.
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You are not serious? Happens all the time and it's been this way for a very long time. Some coaches have integrity and others do not and this is just not a part of sports but everyday life. I can tell you I have spoken to quite a few coaches and every single one of them have told me that their profession is quite competitive and some will take advantage of any rumor regardless of being substantiated or not and run with it. My brother is friends with an ex-assistant to a major basketball school and he told him stories of a few recruiting battles that came down to dirty tactics, which his employer refused to play.
 
canadian said:
Who are the coaches doing this? I talk to a decent amount of coaches and I don't hear any of them naming coaches who do this.

If its a lie and a distortion them I'm sure the recruit can figure that out for himself.
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As you said, most coaches, while they are still active in coaching will not talk about this, and will be careful not to name names.

But a coach can easily say to a certain recruit that Coach X is under suspicion by the NCAA of cheating, and something as subtle and untrue as that can dissuade the recruit from considering that school.

Negative recruiting even goes on when a coach is not interested in a kid for himself. Maybe a coach will call a recruit who is committed to a rival school, and he drops a hint that the coach may be fired, or is being investigated by the NCAA and tries to talk the kid out his committment. It happens all the time.

As I said, only a small segment of coaches do this.
 
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