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Drake blows out Bradley at home 69-57

tornado said:
OK - I will defend my opinion with facts whether the ISU people want to be honest and admit these are proven facts or not.
Jank's record for 5 seasons before Muller arrived was 104-64 & 48-42 in MVC -
and FOUR Top-3 finishes in his five years in the MVC!!!

Muller took over a program that was winning - & returning almost EVERYONE - he didn't come in to clean up or rebuild from a fired coach...

He inherited a team that had just won 21 games and returned all-conference caliber players such as Jackie Carmichael, Tyler Brown, John Wilkins, etc...
In fact FOUR of the five prior seasons, ISU had won over 20 games (21, 22, 24, & 25!!)

But in the 3 seasons under Muller - now, suddenly they are clearly mediocre and underperforming...
even with those All-conference guys - they went 8-10 in the Valley.
Muller's overall MVC record is 23-23 - and the MVC is considerably weaker now with Loyola subbing for Creighton!
Muller has also had more home losses..
Jank had just 3 home losses in 35 games the last year but Muller has had 12 already in just over 2 seasons here.

Then you have all the player arrests, discipline issues, drug problems, dismissals, the revolving door with numerous players - many his own recruits - getting booted at the end of each season!
There's been a fair amount of turmoil that's also evidence of part of his coaching ability he still has to hone.

So - if you ask me what I think - I believe Dan Muller is a bright guy and a good coach - but he's still learning and is where Jim Les was in year 2 or 3 and still has a long way to go to become a very good coach...
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Man is there a lot to cover in there....but I will let this thread try and get back on topic.

Only thing I will say, is it's not fair to compare Jank's and muller's overall records. Both have very different scheduling philosophies.....
 
I am not playing any cards - just going on the talent available and how they have done with it....
I wouldn't go as far as Giacoletti but ISU has more talent than MSU...
just facts - and Lusk may have to be judged regardless of player losses-
but MSU loses their very best player, veteran, team leader - a guy who might have led the league in scoring - and they lose him effectively for the entire MVC season.
They also lost other personnel (Mvouika, Thurman..)

ISU starts four veteran players and lost a freshman & newcomer juco for 1/3 to 1/2 the season...
we'll see - tonight ISU plays at home against a struggling Missouri State team without a leader or reliable scorer...
if they struggle to put the Bears away, then I will rest my case....
 
tornado said:
I am not playing any cards - just going on the talent available and how they have done with it....
I wouldn't go as far as Giacoletti but ISU has more talent than MSU...
just facts - and Lusk may have to be judged regardless of player losses-
but MSU loses their very best player, veteran, team leader - a guy who might have led the league in scoring - and they lose him effectively for the entire MVC season.
They also lost other personnel (Mvouika, Thurman..)
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Despite have all that talent, ISU was still voted 5th by 40 some mvc personnel.

ISU has lost Hawkins, Purcell, reggie Lynch, and Paris Lee for different parts of the mvc season to date. And even when a player comes back, that doesn't mean they aren't hampered some still by their injuries.

By the way ISU beat mo state in Springfield with Marshall and playing without Hawkins by 14 after leading by 22 at half. Were you impressed with mo state in the non conf? Did they look like a top 4 mvc team to you, with Marshall? I didn't see them being a factor.
ISU starts four veteran players and lost a freshman & newcomer juco for 1/3 to 1/2 the season...
we'll see - tonight ISU plays at home against a struggling Missouri State team without a leader or reliable scorer...
if they struggle to put the Bears away, then I will rest my case....
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ISU has been Starting 1 SR, 3 sophs and a freshman.
 
The MVC is just another run of the mill, mid-major conference, once you get by the top two or three teams, on an annual basis. The talent in the Valley is nowhere near where it use to be. All you have to do is look at the number of Valley players in the NBA. To my knowledge there are only two, Cleanthony Early and Kyle Korver, I may have missed somebody, but not intentionally.

As for BU and ISU (red), I am a BU fan. I also believe there is no comparison between the BU program and ISU (red). I think Muller will eventually have a successful program and move on to a higher level. The sign of a successful mid major program is when coaches move up to the next level. ISU just had Jankovich move on to SMU as an assistant and get paid more money than he did at ISU as a head coach. I wasn't a big Jankovich fan, but he did move up to a better conference and program. Ford will have a hard time finding a job and Cal-Davis in the Big West is a far cry from SMU in the American Athletic Conference (old Big East).

It wouldn't bother me one bit if ISU didn't win another basketball game this year. But the quality of their program is light years ahead of ours.
 
ISU has lost Hawkins, Purcell, reggie Lynch, and Paris Lee for different parts of the mvc season to date.
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How many of those guys have been MVC 1st team All Conference and averaged 20 points per game? I have been on record saying I like the kids MUller has recruited, but I don't think losing any of those guys is close to comparable to the affect losing Marshall is.
 
Da Coach said:
How many of those guys have been MVC 1st team All Conference and averaged 20 points per game? I have been on record saying I like the kids MUller has recruited, but I don't think losing any of those guys is close to comparable to the affect losing Marshall is.
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He wasn't playing like a first team all conf guy this mvc season.

He was only averaging 13ppg, while shooting 34% from the field and 21% from trey. He was also only averaging 1.8 assists.

And those 4 games he played against drake, siu, indy state and Illinois state
 
Donte Thomas is not in uniform tonight. I have not heard a reason. He was walking around on the court and rebounding for the other players during warmups, so it didn't appear he was injured.
 
Please hurry up and fire Cross and Geno I can't watch this garbage anymore!! Down ten to Drake at half are you kidding me!!! Bye bye Geno....
 
Drake 41 Bradley 31 at halftime


Maybe the worst defense I've seen a Bradley team play in many years. Drake almost scored their season average per game in the first half alone.
 
Geez, This was disappointing again--we made Drake look like a powerhouse tonight. How many times do we let the shot clock drop to 2 seconds before we foul. The other mistakes and lack of defense is really surprising. Wonder what the root cause is? Is this all coaching?
 
Nothing much to say. This trainwreck just went off a cliff. Drake leads wire to wire, dominates Bradley on their home court.
Final score Drake 69 Bradley 57
 
Living in Chicago Area, I figured I would watch this game on comcast chicago. I knew it would not be good but I certainly figured we SHOULD probably beat the one team in the MVC worse than us. Nope sure was wrong.

We never led, and they were lighting up three pointers early on. I've probably said this a few times past couple years, but this program has tonight AGAIN suffered a new low!!
 
tornado said:
Remember - Dave Reynolds wrote this about our goal...
"Whether the Braves are able to ...avoid the Thursday play-in round of the MVC tournament for the first time in five years is the biggest question..
.. Starting the tournament on Friday could help the Braves begin to return to relevance in the conference again."....
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when you aim low you end up low...and here we are...
I guess this puts to rest any further debate which era of all time is the very worst Bradley basketball imaginable.

if even one person - ever again - claims we played this bad in the 90's or in the Mo era or JL era - they will need a psych eval. - nope - this is rock bottom - this is housecleaning material.
Cross needs to be shown the door and Geno & his staff as well before it swings shut.
Please clean house and appoint Jeremy Crouch or AJ Guyton to coach the team for the rest of the season.



btw - ran into Dyricus - he got some better offers and is working on a deal to play in Europe - done in Mexico - didn't have a lot to say about the game.
Can't imagine there people right there on this board who said we'd be MUCH better once we got rid of the JL players and let Geno run the show with his own recruits. Can't imagine there was anyone with such unimaginably bad perception but there were - many of them, although most are now hiding on a different board.
 
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