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Drake & UNI reamed by other instate schools, Iowa State & U of Iowa -

I'm ashamed to be an Iowa State Grad....No more alumni money from me.
This is a cherished tradition that is being pitched for MONEY....

Every kid in Iowa who can't play for ISU/Iowa considers Drake/UNI for a chance to play against the Hawks/Cyclones...

Sad day for the high school athletes in Iowa...
 
I thought that the State of Iowa government was involved in these schools playing each other every year. Wasn't it a state mandate or something like that.

Maybe I am wrong be I seem to remember some of my Iowa friends telling me years ago that they had to play each other. They also told me that Iowa made the ruling many years ago to never play Bradley in any sport during the regular season because we had the nickname "Braves". More of that political correctness crap sweeping the country.
 
BuB said:
I thought that the State of Iowa government was involved in these schools playing each other every year. Wasn't it a state mandate or something like that.

Maybe I am wrong be I seem to remember some of my Iowa friends telling me years ago that they had to play each other. They also told me that Iowa made the ruling many years ago to never play Bradley in any sport during the regular season because we had the nickname "Braves". More of that political correctness crap sweeping the country.
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This is a common misconception. There was talk by a state legislator of making it a law, but it was never put into legislation. The schools have just agreed voluntarily to continue their non-conference scheduling of each other, but everyone knew it would probably end one day.
 
Being a Drake season ticket holder this really angers me. Having either Iowa or Iowa St. come to the Knapp each year was usually the only game that approached a sell-out sans the 2007-2008 season when we had many sell-outs. I am guessing my season ticket cost won't go down next year and in fact it will probably go up to try to offset the revenue Drake loses by nearly filling the place once a year and charging extra for that game. I think Drake would charge $25 for a single ticket to the Iowa or Iowa St. game while the normal price for other games is much less. Not to mention that fans will have to shell out extra money to go to the game(s) at Wells Fargo Arena.

I really hope the Valley can work on starting another conference challenge with either the CAA, A-10 or WCC like we did with the MWC. I am guessing that challenge will not continue with all of the changes going on there.
 
tornado said:
Iowa State and University of Iowa have decided and declared they are NOT going to ever play a game at UNI or Drake again...

They are obviously worried about all the losses their teams have gotten playing at those two opponents' places..
...... I have lost respect for them...


http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...ig-Four-series-might-be-unveiled-after-season
http://www.mvcfans.com/wp/2012/02/2...no-longer-host-games-against-iowa-iowa-state/
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What can you say? They are sore losers like most every other BCS school who pulls that nonsense, which is most of them.
 
AZ BU Fan said:
I'm ashamed to be an Iowa State Grad....No more alumni money from me.
This is a cherished tradition that is being pitched for MONEY....

Every kid in Iowa who can't play for ISU/Iowa considers Drake/UNI for a chance to play against the Hawks/Cyclones...

Sad day for the high school athletes in Iowa...
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Sorry to hear that, but I think you did the right thing. I don't think the AD's from these schools realize that the students and alumni who go to these schools actually want their sports teams to play their state rivals, especially the good ones which Drake and UNI have demonstrated they can be.

Once again, just a colossal miscalculation on the behalf of the administration of these two schools, all in the name of the almighty dollar!
 
Da Coach said:
This is a common misconception. There was talk by a state legislator of making it a law, but it was never put into legislation. The schools have just agreed voluntarily to continue their non-conference scheduling of each other, but everyone knew it would probably end one day.
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I thought that too, but I guess that's not true. Do they have that law in Nebraska with Creighton playing Nebraska each year?
 
Da Coach said:
I am pretty sure it is not a law but more of a tradition in Nebraska.
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That's most likely true, though I have heard some people incorrectly state it was a law too.

Frankly, I think the government has better things to do than legislate who plays who in college basketball. So I am glad that these weren't laws that dictated who played who, though I'm sure many fans will miss the four Iowa teams playing each other due to the sour attitude of the Iowa St. and Iowa athletic departments.
 
the decision is final - the big boys, Iowa State & Iowa, no longer will play at Drake or UNI -
and will no longer play BOTH mid-major instate schools - just one each year...
they will meet at a neutral site but I'll bet this only happened because UNI & Drake made even further concessions...

And note the rather negative comments by the UNI & Drake AD's compared
to the positive comments from the Iowa & Iowa State guys...

"Iowa and Iowa State will continue their home-and-home series, but the
Big Four Classic will replace home-and-home deals Iowa and Iowa State had
with Drake and Northern Iowa."

"An event like this has been talked about for years,” said Iowa athletic
director Gary Barta, who spearheaded the event. “I’m excited for our
teams and I’m excited for our fans. The event is going to be a great
celebration of college basketball in the state of Iowa. The spirit of
partnership between the four schools has been tremendous. A lot of hard
work, cooperation and give-and-take have gone into making this happen.”

Jamie Pollard, Iowa State’s athletic director, said his school looks
forward to participating in the event.
“Our state has a rich basketball history,” Pollard said. “The opportunity to
create a single showcase in our state’s capital city has been discussed for
years and we are very excited to finally see this happen.”

Athletic directors Troy Dannen of Northern Iowa and Sandy Hatfield Clubb of
Drake both said they’d prefer to continue home-and-home agreements with
Iowa and Iowa State.
“My job is to protect the interests of Northern Iowa and Northern Iowa
basketball,” Dannen said. “And while I am powerless to demand the series
continue, this option is certainly the next-best option for us.”

Said Hatfield Clubb: “This is our only alternative...."

... we realize that both Drake and Northern Iowa would probably prefer to
keep games on their home courts...

“This is not in UNI’s best interests, and coach (Ben) Jacobson and I share the same feeling that home-and-home is in everyone’s best interests,” Dannen said. “But we both recognize the reality that this is the best alternative.”
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20120412/SPORTS/120412022/0/BUSINESS01/?odyssey=nav|head
 
BuB said:
...Iowa made the ruling many years ago to never play Bradley in any sport during the regular season because we had the nickname "Braves". ....
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wow - now we have enormous hypocrisy at Iowa....

not only did they choose to to schedule the Chippewas of Central Michigan for what seems like an easy early-season football victory -
- but they were embarrassed and lost to the Chippewas 32-31
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...-ferentz-hot-seat-chippewas-win-big-ten-upset

but they also play the Chippewas in hockey and other sports as well.....

So - what's with the hypocrisy - they won't play the Braves because of the nickname - but they don't have a problem with the Chips??


This story details how schizophrenic the NCAA and schools' decisions are in regard to Indian nicknames...
they really pick and choose who they ask and who they get "permission" or approval from since all Indian tribes have several different branches
and communities and they are by NO MEANS in agreement - so what the schools do is hand-pick ONE tribe - seal a deal (usually for some $$ from logo licensing and apparel sale) and then call it settled.
What a scam and what an insult to the tribes who are not being consulted or allowed in to this decision making!
In the end - it proves how arbitrary, greedy, and mercenary this whole process really is.......
http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/62459/publisher_ID/29/
 
tornado said:
wow - now we have enormous hypocrisy at Iowa....

not only did they choose to to schedule the Chippewas of Central Michigan for
but they also play the Chippewas in hockey and other sports as well.....

So - what's with the hypocrisy - they won't play the Braves because of the nickname - but they don't have a problem with the Chips??

Um, didn't Iowa play the Braves in women's basketball the last couple of years? And I think they played the men at South Padre a few years ago. They also played a home-and-home series with BU in baseball this past season.
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tornado said:
wow - now we have enormous hypocrisy at Iowa....

not only did they choose to to schedule the Chippewas of Central Michigan for what seems like an easy early-season football victory -
- but they were embarrassed and lost to the Chippewas 32-31
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...-ferentz-hot-seat-chippewas-win-big-ten-upset

but they also play the Chippewas in hockey and other sports as well....
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There's no hypocrisy - Iowa lifted this policy about 2 years after the initial brouhaha, several years ago. Crazy as it may sound, they realized it was a terrible stance and backed off, rather than take a stand against something that few people felt strongly about. Remember, it was only a year ago they came to Peoria to play the BU women's hoops team.
 
I don' think they "lifted their policy" but have dropped opposition where the schools have gotten tacit "OK" from someone representing the tribe involved...

but first - Iowa never scheduled Bradley basketball - their policy only involves scheduled games against opponents who they perceive tohave native American games - the game with Bradley was a tournament matchup that they did not schedule.

and multiple recent stories detail how Iowa won't play teams with Indian names - their policy is NOT changed but they have backed off if the schools involved get some form of tribal permission...

here's one...
" The University of Iowa has also decided not to invite North Dakota to an April track meet because of its use of the Fighting Sioux name."
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...ickname-logo-center-dispute-state-ncaa-tribes

..and here's one from just a week ago-
"Our (Iowa's) policy is that we won’t schedule a competition against a school
using a Native American mascot unless it’s been approved by the NCAA,” said
Mark Abbott, Iowa’s associate athletics director for legal affairs who primarily
handles football scheduling. “There was a time when Central Michigan was
not on our approved list. But it has been approved by the NCAA, and now it’s
acceptable to our policy.”
http://thegazette.com/2012/09/18/central-michigan-once-was-a-blocked-opponent-for-iowa/
 
tornado said:
I don' think they "lifted their policy" but have dropped opposition where the schools have gotten tacit "OK" from someone representing the tribe involved...

but first - Iowa never scheduled Bradley basketball - their policy only involves scheduled games against opponents who they perceive tohave native American games - the game with Bradley was a tournament matchup that they did not schedule.
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First of all, they did lift their policy of unequivocally NOT scheduling teams with tribal names, and changed it focus on schools who are not sanctioned.

Secondly, I was at the Bradley-Iowa game last year. Iowa absolutely did schedule the game voluntarily and it was definitely not a part of a tournament.

You may be confusing this with the game where Iowa played Bradley in South Padre in 2007...and even in that case, Bradley was a part of the field BEFORE Iowa, meaning Iowa knowingly joined the tournament with the knowledge they would have a 67% chance of playing BU.
 
PTownHawkeye said:
First of all, they did lift their policy of unequivocally NOT scheduling teams with tribal names, and changed it focus on schools who are not sanctioned.



You are correct PTown. I was with an Iowa coach this past weekend and brought up this subject. He confirmed that Iowa did indeed lift their policy. He also agreed it was the right thing to do.
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