Embarrassing Bradley stat

[LittleBrave]

So Coach Ford has compiled a 1-25 road record as head coach of BU.

How much does he make a year? Like 850 grand?

So he has made 2.5 million for 1 lousy road win...at SIU mind you.

Sorry, something just doesn't add up.

I will stay supportive of Geno, but when you look at the dough he's making, I cringe at that along with the lack of success on the road.

 

[tornado]

Barry Hinson already has two road conference wins - even newly hired Ray Giacoletti has one
Paul Lusk - also hired in 2011 has seven

 

[Da Coach]

So Coach Ford has compiled a 1-25 road record as head coach of BU...

To be clear, the 1-25 record is only against MVC opponents away from home (road + neutral sites [St. Louis]).
2011-12 BU was 0-9 in MVC play on the road, plus 0-1 in the MVC tournament= 0-10
2012-13 BU was 1-8 in MVC play on the road, 0-1 in the MVC tournament, plus a loss at UNI in the CIT= 1-10
2013-14 BU is currently 0-5 in MVC play on the road for a total of 1-25.


In his tenure, Geno also has non-conference road wins at George Washington, Central Michigan, IUPUI, and UIC.
So his total road+neutral site record is 5-38. He has never won a tournament game or a neutral site game.

 

[molar50]

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I do not know what Geno's present compensation is in this year, but it was $583,000 in his first year. Jim Les was also paid $395,000 by Bradley in Geno's first year.

 

[Da Coach]

I do not know what Geno's present compensation is in this year, but it was $583,000 in his first year. Jim Les was also paid $395,000 by Bradley in Geno's first year.

I don't know where your figure comes from, but I have heard from a pretty reliable source that his compensation is $800K per year for 5 years, with up to $100K bonuses for winning the MVC or making the NCAA.

 

[molar50]

Go to Guidestar.com. 990 forms from every non profit are listed and you can see at least the top 6 compensated individuals. The last annual report was from 6-01-2011 to 5-31-2012. It could be that Geno's contract started after June 1 and maybe as late as August 2011. Therefore his annual compensation would be higher than is listed. When the 990 for year 2013 is listed, we will know the exact amount annually.

 

[bravetime33]

To be clear, the 1-25 record is only against MVC opponents away from home (road + neutral sites [St. Louis]).
2011-12 BU was 0-9 in MVC play on the road, plus 0-1 in the MVC tournament= 0-10
2012-13 BU was 1-8 in MVC play on the road, 0-1 in the MVC tournament, plus a loss at UNI in the CIT= 1-10
2013-14 BU is currently 0-5 in MVC play on the road for a total of 1-25.


In his tenure, Geno also has non-conference road wins at George Washington, Central Michigan, IUPUI, and UIC.
So his total road+neutral site record is 5-38. He has never won a tournament game or a neutral site game.

For the record JL won a total of 8 road/ neutral games his first 3 full years, no conference tournament games won the first 3 years and zero road conference games won his third year

 

[peoriaspitfire]

For the record JL won a total of 8 road/ neutral games his first 3 full years, no conference tournament games won the first 3 years and zero road conference games won his third year

Thanks for that added info! Those numbers are both astounding and sickening. Just freak'n win please!!!! I don't even care about NCAA births, I just want a MVC championship for starters. It's been far tooooooooooo long!

 

[Da Coach]

For the record JL won a total of 8 road/ neutral games his first 3 full years, no conference tournament games won the first 3 years and zero road conference games won his third year

As is often the case, it is the Jim Les detractors who want to bring him into every discussion about the current staff. But if you are going to try to deflect the focus off the current staff, you need to get the facts right.
You said Jim Les won only a total of 8 road/neutral games in his first 3 years- That is incorrect!

In his first season, he won 5 road/neutral games, including 3 road MVC games against Indiana State, Wichita State, and Drake. He won 4 more road/neutral games his second year, including 2 more MVC road games (at ILSU and at INSU).
That is a total of 9 road/neutral games in just the first 2 years, and 5 road MVC games in the first 2 years (5 times as many as the current staff has won in almost 3 years!). And he won 10 road/neutral games in 3 years (not 8 as was stated), that is twice as many as the current staff.

Jim Les also won 9 more road/neutral site games his 4th year, including MVC Tournament wins over #4 seed Creighton and #1 seed Wichita State, as well as wins over Top 10 ranked Kansas & Pitt in the NCAA Tournament. So unless we make it to the Sweet 16 and knock off a couple Top 10 ranked teams next year, these unprovoked and ridiculous comparisons with Jim Les will finally stop.

 

[tornado]

JL was so bad we fired him. I hope the best argument for keeping GF thru 3 years of serious fallout isn't that GF is doing almost as well as JL.

 

[bigjimmy]

As usual, it is the Jim Les detractors who want to bring him into every discussion about the current staff. But if you are going to try to deflect the focus off the current staff, you need to get your facts right.
You said Jim Les won only a total of 8 road/neutral games in his first 3 years- WRONG!

In his first season, he won 5 road/neutral games, including 3 road MVC games against Indiana State, Wichita State, and Drake. He won 4 more road/neutral games his second year, including 2 more MVC road games (at ILSU and at INSU).
That is a total of 9 road/neutral games in just the first 2 years, and 5 road MVC games in the first 2 years (5 times as many as the current staff has won in almost 3 years!). And he won 10 road/neutral games in 3 years (not 8 as you claimed), that is twice as many as the current staff.

Jim Les also won 9 more road/neutral site games his 4th year, including MVC Tournament wins over #4 seed Creighton and #1 seed Wichita State, as well as wins over Top 10 ranked Kansas & Pitt in the NCAA Tournament. So unless we make it to the Sweet 16 and knock off a couple Top 10 ranked teams next year, maybe these unprovoked and ridiculous comparisons with Jim Les will finally stop.

Da Coach I love your passion for Bradley basketball and your defending of the Jim Les coaching legacy but 10 road wins in 35 games wasn't real good either. But I would agree that Geno's record, with what we were promised, is a way worse start. But if you think that the comparisons are going to stop I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you.

 

[Da Coach]

Go to Guidestar.com. 990 forms from every non profit are listed and you can see at least the top 6 compensated individuals. The last annual report was from 6-01-2011 to 5-31-2012. It could be that Geno's contract started after June 1 and maybe as late as August 2011. Therefore his annual compensation would be higher than is listed. When the 990 for year 2013 is listed, we will know the exact amount annually.

I am not an accountant and do not know the specifics of Geno's contract, but could that number be smaller because some of his compensation is deferred?

 

[Da Coach]

Da Coach I love your passion for Bradley basketball and your defending of the Jim Les coaching legacy but 10 road wins in 35 games wasn't real good either. But I would agree that Geno's record, with what we were promised, is a way worse start. But if you think that the comparisons are going to stop I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you.

Thank you Jimmy, but I am not trying to "defend Jim Les". Some people are just never going to acknowledge his successes, and will want to keep blaming him forever.
I was merely setting the record straight by correcting the erroneous information posted by Bravetime33.

 

[lefty]

Thank you Jimmy, but I am not trying to "defend Jim Les". Some people are just never going to acknowledge his successes, and will want to keep blaming him forever.
I was merely setting the record straight by correcting the erroneous information posted by Bravetime33.

Just as some don't recognize his failures??¦??¦..Jim had some good years just like Molinari did when he was here??¦??¦some good and some bad??¦.both started with tough years, had some good years and then struggled oward the end??¦.that's why they were let go and probably not a coincidence that it was always a fairly new President at the time??¦??¦

there have been plenty of veiled and not so veiled shots at both Les and Ford on both boards??¦.it's really kind of silly in my opinion??¦.

Let's focus on Loyola and go from there

 

[Da Coach]

I just want to see Bradley winning games again, beating good opponents, not cupcakes, playing in the NCAA tournament, and not being embarrassed by other programs that have no right being better than Bradley. I believe all Bradley fans just want to see a winning program being built.

We can point to esoteric numbers from Jim Les' first 3 years that seems to make some feel better about our losing now (though I won't allow posters to fudge the numbers). But my point was that in Jim Les' first 3 seasons we may not have had as much success as fans wanted, but most tuned-in fans could see the program was accumulating significant talent and clearly building toward something special that had not happened at Bradley in over 50 years.

Fast forward to the present- Fans could accept the record number of losses and unprecedented blowouts, if we could see the same kind of successful team-building. Recall that Kirk Wessler told us that Geno Ford would avoid "rustling up a quick fix" by staying away from junior college and transfer players, and "establish a core that can win, and then win again". Note in that column, Kirk praised the first recruiting class of Devon Hodges, Jalen Crawford, and Shayok Shayok as possibly high-major recruits because "Xavier, Wisconsin and Texas Tech also recruited them".

Do you see that same kind of team-building happening as we saw 9-10 years ago? Do you see a Top 40 RPI, NCAA team here next year? Our current RPI (RPI 240) is worse than it was at any time during the Jim Les era.
Most fans don't see it happening, and that is the #1 reason they have bailed out in record numbers. There is a lot of failure and blame to go around, and most fans don't care about the blame game, they just want to see the problems corrected, and get back to winning.
But even Kirk doesn't believe that will happen soon, because he wrote an entire column trying to prepare us fans for years of more rebuilding. I think there is still a chance to turn things around quicker than Kirk thinks. Its happened before, even in as short as 1 season (see 1979-->1980).
Now we are looking at more "rebuilding" but unlike the rebuilding that Kirk envisioned, we seem to be getting even more turnover of Geno's own recruits, and looking at more junior college recruits (remember this column: Too Many Jucos for Bradley?), and more transfers. I wish I was wrong, but I have been right about everything else that I predicted and which has happened these last 3 years. Sorry that makes some people even angrier that, in addition to us fans suffering through all this losing, that I also happened to be right all along.

 

[tornado]

sorry if it's beating a dead horse - but many fans have been saying for 3 years that we need mainly to improve in THREE AREAS..same three areas as last year and 2012 and 2011...
and we keep coming to games and seeing no imprivement and little chance of such anywhere on the horizon..

post play
point guard play
shooting

we have the most woeful stats BY FAR in the MVC regarding post play...
our starting "5" and allegedly best post player averages 3.5 ppg & 3.1 rpg and fouls a lot.
Those production numbers are half of what even the weaker teams in the Valley have and the teams ahead of us have guys whose numbers are way better.
Despite the accolades, the game to game production of XT is still inconsistent - 4 and 5 pts & 3 or 4 rebounds a game form your staerting center is worrisome and now that he's played almost 30 games (23 regular season and 6 preseason) should we not see at least SOME consistent improvement? His best game was 3 months ago vs. Chicago State, 11pt & 6 rebs - and he has not exceeded either 11 pts or 6 rebs ever since - and most games not close.

we are not only last in the MVC in assists, we are last by a wide margin and we are also last by an enormous margin in Assist to Turnover margin..

Then shooting - hardly need to say much - we are at or near the bottom in every scoring and shooting stat.

again - I know this is even more beating the dead horse...but as woeful as our offense is - our top two scorers, our best inside scorer and one of our best outside scorer and our top assist guy are done in one more month -
does anyone see why a lot of fans have concerns?
Yes I know, I have lost my rose-colored glasses - but hard to ignore the obvious ..

 

[lefty]

I just want to see Bradley winning games again, beating good opponents, not cupcakes, playing in the NCAA tournament, and not being embarrassed by other programs that have no right being better than Bradley. I believe all Bradley fans just want to see a winning program being built.

We can point to esoteric numbers from Jim Les' first 3 years that seems to make some feel better about our losing now (though I won't allow posters to fudge the numbers). But my point was that in Jim Les' first 3 seasons we may not have had as much success as fans wanted, but most tuned-in fans could see the program was accumulating significant talent and clearly building toward something special that had not happened at Bradley in over 50 years.

Fast forward to the present- Fans could accept the record number of losses and unprecedented blowouts, if we could see the same kind of successful team-building. Recall that Kirk Wessler told us that Geno Ford would avoid "rustling up a quick fix" by staying away from junior college and transfer players, and "establish a core that can win, and then win again". Note in that column, Kirk praised the first recruiting class of Devon Hodges, Jalen Crawford, and Shayok Shayok as possibly high-major recruits because "Xavier, Wisconsin and Texas Tech also recruited them".

Do you see that same kind of team-building happening as we saw 9-10 years ago? Do you see a Top 40 RPI, NCAA team here next year? Our current RPI (RPI 240) is worse than it was at any time during the Jim Les era.
Most fans don't see it happening, and that is the #1 reason they have bailed out in record numbers. There is a lot of failure and blame to go around, and most fans don't care about the blame game, they just want to see the problems corrected, and get back to winning.
But even Kirk doesn't believe that will happen soon, because he wrote an entire column trying to prepare us fans for years of more rebuilding. I think there is still a chance to turn things around quicker than Kirk thinks. Its happened before, even in as short as 1 season (see 1979-->1980).
Now we are looking at more "rebuilding" but unlike the rebuilding that Kirk envisioned, we seem to be getting even more turnover of Geno's own recruits, and looking at more junior college recruits (remember this column: Too Many Jucos for Bradley?), and more transfers. I wish I was wrong, but I have been right about everything else that I predicted and which has happened these last 3 years. Sorry that makes some people even angrier that, in addition to us fans suffering through all this losing, that I also happened to be right all along.

I'm not angry....but I like how you aren't defending Les

 

[Da Coach]

I'm not angry....but I like how you aren't defending Les

I never meant to suggest you were one who was angry, but it's silly to deny that some are.
And so correcting erroneous statements about his record now qualifies as "defending Jim Les"?
Nope, He's gone and I am fine with that. Recall that Dr. Cross said that his final season did not play into the decision at all, so his firing was said to be due to his inability to progress the program beyond 4th place from 2002-2010, despite averaging 20+ wins over the last 5 seasons of that span, and an NCAA tournament run. However, everyone even remotely connected to the Bradley program knows the real reason had nothing to do with all that, but was instead based entirely on personal factors between JL and a certain administrator. If anyone does not know what I am referring to, feel free to PM me for details.

I am happy for him. He is back where he and his entire family prefer to live, he is doing what he loves to do, he is paid by UCD and Bradley combined- more than he was making here, he is happy and his future is much more secure. So I won't bring him up again, unless as usually happens, someone posts false information or detracts from what was actually accomplished. It's the fans and the BU sports programs that have suffered.

The change was made to "take Bradley to the next level". To get Bradley beyond where it was. To "compete for championships" every season. Those promises were made many times. So far it has been a failure. Some fans warned that this might happen and that it could take years to even get back to where we were. Others believed that any change was good, and that anyone could coach and recruit better than what we had.
So far, one group was right, and the other was wrong.

 

[bradleyfan124]

I never meant to suggest you were one who was angry, but it's silly to deny that some are.
And so correcting erroneous statements about his record now qualifies as "defending Jim Les"?
Nope, He's gone and I am fine with that. Recall that Dr. Cross said that his final season did not play into the decision at all, so his firing was said to be due to his inability to progress the program beyond 4th place from 2002-2010, despite averaging 20+ wins over the last 5 seasons of that span, and an NCAA tournament run. However, everyone even remotely connected to the Bradley program knows the real reason had nothing to do with all that, but was instead based entirely on personal factors between JL and a certain administrator. If anyone does not know what I am referring to, feel free to PM me for details.

I am happy for him. He is back where he and his entire family prefer to live, he is doing what he loves to do, he is paid by UCD and Bradley combined- more than he was making here, he is happy and his future is much more secure. So I won't bring him up again, unless as usually happens, someone posts false information or detracts from what was actually accomplished. It's the fans and the BU sports programs that have suffered.

The change was made to "take Bradley to the next level". To get Bradley beyond where it was. To "compete for championships" every season. Those promises were made many times. So far it has been a failure. Some fans warned that this might happen and that it could take years to even get back to where we were. Others believed that any change was good, and that anyone could coach and recruit better than what we had.
So far, one group was right, and the other was wrong.

Certain Administrator? Who, pray tell, are you talking about? Who would make such a decision based on subjective reasons rather than objective reasons. Who would do such a dastardly deed? Might it be the same person who selected the baseball coach based on subjective reasons rather than the objective reasons that a Committee used? Might this be the same person who just extended the contract of said baseball coach even thou after 5 years he is still picked last in the Missouri Valley. Tell me it aint so Shoeless Joe! Of all the gin joints and Colleges in all the towns in all the world, she walks into ours. Play it again Sam!!!!

 

[cpacmel]

Our current RPI (RPI 240) is worse than it was at any time during the Jim Les era.

DaCoach just as you called out others for not being factual correct, I think you know the above comment is not correct either.