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Final: Bradley 60 SIU 51
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basketball nut
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Agree that we played very bad but some of your comments would indicate that it was because SIU is bad rather then maybe that we are starting to improve and play better defense.
Yes the turnovers were inexcusable and, yes, way to many balls that we got out hustled on (something BH does a great job of teaching) but in the end we played good enough D to win and that group of 2 fresh, 2 soph, and 1 junior that is a newcomer finished the game in great style. AS BH said our Freshman outplayed their 2 seniors.
These guys might be starting to improve right before our eyes and they are still very young.
Give this team some time to learn to play together.
Buesch N Chips
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We will see if it was good defense when we play a competent team, like our next game. I certainly hope you are right.
pfcmsh
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Our Defence
Our Defence
You're point is a good one. As was said above, maybe we did affect their scoring with good defence, but realistically, I think they shot poorly last night too. We've held other good shooters incheck recently and our defence was pretty good last night. We won't do as well against WS as they'll shoot better, even if we defend well. Against WS, I hope we reduce turnovers, avoid losing the game in the 1st 10 minutes and shoot as well as last night. We'll at least be in the game then and, who knows what will happen in a close game.
I'm glad we've exceeded last year wins already. Next year's recruits will help us with better post players. I wish Suggs and Foster were playing.
Our Defence
You're point is a good one. As was said above, maybe we did affect their scoring with good defence, but realistically, I think they shot poorly last night too. We've held other good shooters incheck recently and our defence was pretty good last night. We won't do as well against WS as they'll shoot better, even if we defend well. Against WS, I hope we reduce turnovers, avoid losing the game in the 1st 10 minutes and shoot as well as last night. We'll at least be in the game then and, who knows what will happen in a close game.
I'm glad we've exceeded last year wins already. Next year's recruits will help us with better post players. I wish Suggs and Foster were playing.
tornado
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when a team misses 24 3-pt attempts, there's naturally going to be an excess number of long rebounds that the offense may have a better shot at corralling...
but that said, some of the offensive rebounds SIU got were cuz they just went after them quicker & harder and that needs to be fixed.
At least we got some of our FT problems fixed!!!
but that said, some of the offensive rebounds SIU got were cuz they just went after them quicker & harder and that needs to be fixed.
At least we got some of our FT problems fixed!!!
Exactly. We also need to be a little bit better at anticipating where the ball is going to come off the rim.
tornado
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pretty vicious criticism over on the Saluki message board - not just of their poor performance in this game, but overall - lots want Barry canned...some want it done right now...
You gotta remember - the MVC handed Barry Hinson the COACH OF THE YEAR AWARD just last spring for a 22-10 season against an overall Strength of Schedule = 246, and a non-conference SOS of 329 - bottom 5%
You gotta remember - the MVC handed Barry Hinson the COACH OF THE YEAR AWARD just last spring for a 22-10 season against an overall Strength of Schedule = 246, and a non-conference SOS of 329 - bottom 5%
Barry is a good coach, but this year's SIU team doesn't have a lot of talent, and almost no bench help. The Salukis also prove what we Bradley fans have known for several years now- you need shooters to compete in the MVC.
SIU is the worst 3-point shooting team in the MVC by a wide margin-
Scroll down to the 7th category-
http://www.mvc.org/mbb/stats/confldrs.htm
Against Bradley, they were just 2 for 26 (7.7%) and when they really needed a couple threes late in the game when Bradley pulled ahead, they couldn't make one.
SIU is the worst 3-point shooting team in the MVC by a wide margin-
Scroll down to the 7th category-
http://www.mvc.org/mbb/stats/confldrs.htm
Against Bradley, they were just 2 for 26 (7.7%) and when they really needed a couple threes late in the game when Bradley pulled ahead, they couldn't make one.
If they had made 15 more 3's just a touch over 1 more per game they would be middle of the pack...the BU game brought them down 2.7% for the season..
It doesn't take much to change 3 point percentage.....
Even before the Bradley game, SIU was a distant 10th in the MVC in 3-point shooting. Now they are even more distant 10th. They are a bad 3-point shooting team, no matter how you are trying to spin it. It isn't because of one game.
Usually every year, the teams that rank at the bottom of the MVC 3-point percentage are the teams playing on Thursdays in the St. Louis tournament. I am not saying SIU is a Thursday team, just that teams that shoot poorly from three usually are.
Usually every year, the teams that rank at the bottom of the MVC 3-point percentage are the teams playing on Thursdays in the St. Louis tournament. I am not saying SIU is a Thursday team, just that teams that shoot poorly from three usually are.
I'm not trying to spin anything. I've said for years that it doesn't take alit per game for 3 OT shooting stats to change. Now since you brought it if my math is correcy Southern was actually ninth before the Bradley game Indiana State shot 10-24 which brought them up to where they are Before the conference game ISU was .323 and SIU was .327
Doesn't change the fact that shooting is poor
That was never my point. Just saying those stats can change some early in the season with just one game I'm not trying to stick up for SIU really. But they were not a distant 10th before the BU game
Sorry, but I have checked your math, and it appears to be wrong on both the INSU and SIU percentages prior to their last games.
Indiana State is currently 105-314 from three (after 1 conference game). As you stated, they were 10-24 in that game against Wichita State, so that means they were 95-290 prior to that game.
Correct me if I am wrong, but 95-290 is 0.328 (not 0.323), compared to SIU's three point percentage prior to Thursday of 75-230, which is 0.326 (not 0.327).
So I believe I was correct in stating that SIU was 10th in the MVC prior to their game with Bradley.
I am not sure what we are debating. SIU is a very poor shooting team from 3-point. That is all I was saying. That will lose them a lot of games this year. It has always baffled me, and most fans it seems, why coaches don't recruit shooters, and think they can develop shooters, or win without having a 3-point game. Maybe Kentucky can win without 3-point shooters, but not in the MVC. SIU currently ranks 325th out of 351 D1 teams at 30.1%.
That's right For some reason I used 294 shots for Indiana state So SIU was last (not sure I would call .326-.328 distant 10th but last nonetheless . I just think there is more to being at the bottom of the conference than 3 point shooting that's all. My guess is that those teams toward the bottom of the conference aren't very good at rebounding, ft shooting, turnovers , overall fg shooting too. If a team shoots 4-10 it's great and 3-10 it's terrible and yet we are talking about one more made basket.
At the end of the day it seems to me other stats are just as important
Bradleyfan1
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If you shoot and make 100 2's and I shoot and make 100 3s I win by 100 pts.
Riddle me this riddle me that.
Riddle me this riddle me that.
I have no idea what that means. That has nothing to do with my point
It does speak to your point. Since 3's are worth 1.5 times what a 2 pointer is worth, they are potentially 1.5 times more important. Seems like a dumb statement written that way. But it is what the nba has realized and embraced just look at the Warriors and rockets, to name the two that have leaned hardest into the concept.
It matters more if you have guys who can actually shoot, which I think we do. And if you don't have the shooters, such as siu, you have to be great at those other statistical categories instead of just being good at them.
Obviously being exceptional at one stat won't make you a winner, and being exceptionally bad at one stat shouldn't make you a loser. But I think da coach was saying poor 3pt percentage is one of the biggest hurdles to overcome. Also since its an element of shooting, it can be an indicator of offensive skill and efficiency. Looking at that one stat should help identify the best offenses in the league and also a general placement in the rankings.
I'm not denying the importance of 3 point shooting
I'm just saying if SIU shot 36% it would be the equivalent of barely 1 more 3 per game. I have not looked at their schedule but I doubt if it changes their record much
And the counter would be that even making one more per game would cause the opponent to have to guard the guys without the ball slightly closer and open up driving lanes/passing lanes that would allow them to get easier two point shots than they have been getting. And if they were good enough to make one more three per game on the same number of shots they would be better shooters overall and make more of the twos they do get.
That is all presumptive obviously. But I guess what I'm saying is dc's original point that 3pt percentage is an indicator of a good team is something I agree with. If you disagree, so be it. You are entitled to your opinion.
That is all presumptive obviously. But I guess what I'm saying is dc's original point that 3pt percentage is an indicator of a good team is something I agree with. If you disagree, so be it. You are entitled to your opinion.
I don't think one more made 3 makes a team defend any different all...just my opinion. I shouldn't have quoted D.C. In the first place because I wasn't really disagreeing as much as stating how it doesn't take much to go from a poor 3 point shooting team to an average on. If SIU shot average they would still have the same record, good shooting teams are usually good at other things as well...again that's just my opinion
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