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Hayden Hoerdemann

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I hope I have the spelling right. Do any of our Peoria people have any info on this 2011 prospect. I was told he is on the Braves radar.. and SIUC is bringing him in for a visit this weekend.
 
I have seen Hoerdemann play and since he is still just going to be a junior, the strong interest by even some big schools is because he could still grow taller and develop.
However, at this point, I would still have to say he is a lot like Dyricus Simms-Edwards....kind of a tweener...
not a good enough ball handler to really be a top D-I PG, and at 6-2, simply not a BCS-type SG.
I think it's 50-50 he will still end up as a mid-major player but he also might end up at Iowa as that's the type of player they've been going after lately.
...and a few Valley schools are on to him...but I have never yet heard that he has any interest in BU.

BTW-- I have a question........
Who was the last Bloomington (or Bloomington area)player to play and have a nice career at ISU?
I don't mean guys like Brandon Holtz...a great kid but never more than a deep bench player...I mean someone who was either a starter or key sub who made a difference on the court?
I really don't know the answer -- maybe one of the ISU fans can supply the answer...
but isn't it odd, that it has certainly been a long, long time....

By contrast BU will have one Bloomington player as well as a couple Peoria area players (Dyricus & JP), plus BU has had others (JC, Ruff, Cellus, Danny Adams..) in recent years too.
 
a new interview of Hayden Hoerdemann...
He names ISU as recruiting him, almost as an afterthought...these are his own words...
"I've got about 25 schools that have been showing me interest and 15 that
have been calling me..

The main ones are probably Harvard, Princeton, Butler, Wichita State,
Northwestern, Xavier and most of the Missouri Valley has been contacting me."

Loyola, William & Mary, Iowa State and Western Michigan have also shown
Hoerdemann interest Iowa and Illinois send the BCC junior a letter every day,
he said. He also talks to Illinois State and Eastern Illinois

"I was going to go to (the ISU) Hoop Fest on Friday but our football team
played (so Hoerdemann went to his HS's FB game instead)
.. I'm probably going to go to Eastern sometime to see their campus and see
a game."
Hoerdemann said he also plans on visiting Xavier, Butler and Northwestern. He
said he'd also like take a short trip to Champaign to take in an Illini game."
http://bit.ly/4BUzd
 
Hayden Hoerdemann

I saw HH play again last night. I've seen him play 8-10 times over the course of his hs career. I think he is a nice A/AA hs player, but I have in no way ever seen anything from him to justify some of the rankings that are posted here from time to time.

At the beginning of the 4th qtr he had 4 points and playing from behind he finished with 10. That being said I'm not sure I would have felt differently had he scored 20, as most of these points were on drives and putbacks. He is very simply a 6-1 way below the rim 2 guard. I just don't see it. I am not knocking the kid, it is more an indictment of the hype and rankings of summer basketball. It amazes me what kind of attention a kid can garner by simply playing a lot at a young age and going through the paces.
 
These kinds of things were said about Sam Maniscalco, Johnny Moran, Blake Ahearn, and even Kyle Korver, and others. I think HH will be a very good D1 player.
 
I think he is a little taller than Washington's Sean Johnson, who ended up at Illinois Wesleyan, but is now one of their top players and leading scorers consistently...
so I think Sean Johnson could conceivably have been successful at D-I, and I think the same about HH
 
SM was slugging it out with Demitri McCamey and matching his production at the HS level. Kyle Korver was 6-5 and the others I would believe were considered dead eye shooters.

The issue I have as I watch HH is that he doesn't fall into any of these categories along with the bigger issue of size and athleticism because he doesn't play the point.

HH was just one of 10 kids on the floor. He was wearing a different number than in the past and it actually took me a few minutes to pick him out from the rest.

I am willing to admit that I could be way off as I often wonder how the Morans and Farokmanesh's of the basketball world get to that level. I don't wish to be right or hope the kid fails. I'm just making an observation.
 
Korver and Ahearn didn't have any other D1 offers, according to recruiting sites, so many felt they were not D1 players.
Sam had other D1 interest, but was called too slow and not a good enough shooter by many.

All I'm saying is that you can't judge by seeing him one time. He is now listed at 6'3", and has been followed by Big Ten coaches for the last 2 years. He has been invited and made visits to Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, and others. I personally don't think he'll be a Big Ten player, but that suggests that a lot of coaches who know a lot about basketball think he has potential.

Illinois State has already offered, and we know Tim Jankovich knows how to evaluate kids.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/edgytim/basketball/recruiting/player-Hayden-Hoerdemann-89250


And a recent premium Scout article said this-
According to Hordemann's mother, among the schools showing interest are Illinois State, Iowa, Illinois, Iowa State, Western Michigan, Southern Illinois, Princeton, Harvard, William and Mary, Xavier, Butler, Eastern, Missouri State, Oakland, Wichita State, Albany, Indiana, Indiana State, Evansville, and Northwestern.
 
I agree with Coach,

I watched DSE at Washington and wondered why BU was so interested. I was wrong, very wrong.
 
Again, this is just how I see it. I haven't seen him play once. I've seen him many times. He will score 20 points or better, many good players do this in hs. I have NEVER seen him dominate at either end of the floor

There are all kinds of examples of players who do great after flying under the radar.

Obviously with the level of interest that is mentioned above, that is where I am baffled. It's not that a kid with modest physical talent can't find his way onto a div 1 team and do well.

The issue is: how can this particular kid draw this kind of interest with very borderline physical qualities playing at the A/AA level?

Lastly, I am likely the one who is wrong, I will admit. I have however seen a lot of basketball over the last 25 years or so and have never seen a kid like this have this much interest from the kind of schools DC is listing.
 
I will tell you right now Hayden Hoerdemann is a D1 caliber player. High School is hard to judge where a kids level is at. This year at bloomington central catholic he is asked to do a little bit of everything. He has to handle the ball and score. Plus, every team he plays against #1 defensive assignment is to stop him.

Hayden is alot better as a SG then he is a ball handler however he still is good player as a ball handler. He is a player that plays better when he has better players around him (just like most players). He is a gamer, hard worker, and has a great understanding of the game.

He did have 39pts against Fieldcrest in the Championship of the State Farm Holiday Tournament. And I believe he is averaging around 17-20pts per game. Not bad for a JUNIOR....

He will make someone very happy at the next level....
 
I agree, I have seen him play a couple times and I think he's a DI player..
doesn't shoot as well as Matt Roth but does a whole lot more, athletic, creates shots, rebounds, and handles the ball, and tough/plays some defense.
Wouldn't you agree midstate?
 
Alot of people compare him to Matt Roth. However, like you said he is alot different. Matt was a pure shooter that always had a great set shot. He worked his way into be a complete shooter by learning how to shoot off the dribble as well. However, he still does not create his own shot very well.

Hayden Hoerdemann is not as good of a shooter from 3, however when he gets hot watch out. Like I stated before he had 39pts in the game against Fieldcrest this year and had 19pts in the last 2:45 of the game. Hoerdemann however scores in so many ways, he hits threes, has a great midrange game, is strong enough to get to the hole and finish with contact, and he gets to the line alot... Something that is really over looked when it comes to being a scorer.... I would compare him more to Jon Scheyer than Matt Roth... Obviously isnt as good as Scheyer but he plays more like Scheyer than Roth

He will be a system player at the next level. Like if he ends up at a high major I could see him at a school like Northwestern or Butler...
 
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Butler is just like Gonzaga... Hard to say both of those schools aren't high majors because of the confrences they play in. Are they actual "HIGH MAJORS" no but they have great teams that play great schedules that continously knock off high majors every year. Hard to not say that is a big time basketball program to attend.

Northwestern is on a steady rise. They play in the BIG TEN and were ranked at one point this season. Plus, there recruiting classes keep getting better and better.


Its gonna come down to a matter of opinoin but I think its a No Brainer that Butler (even in the confrence they play in) and Northwestern are not Mid Major Programs...
 
This could be another thread easily. I love the programs that Butler and Gonzaga run. I am hoping the one day BU can be held in the same standard that these two programs have achieved. You may want to throw in Xavier into the equation! We agree in principle but in general I hate to throw in these labels. What label should schools in high major conferences that are terrible year in and year out have i.e. DePaul. High-low major perhaps?
 
Nothing against Butler, as I think they are a great program and would love Bradley to be where they are right now, but to say they are "just like" Gonzaga and question whether they are a mid-major I think is very premature. Until the last 3-4 seasons, they were unquestionably nothing more than a decent mid-major program. They have had a great run the last few seasons, and I admit that they seemed to reload in a non-midmajor way last season when most expected them to suffer from losing Graves, but I don't see how a 3-4 year run takes them out of the mid-major category. As far as I know, they do not have a high-major budget, and it remains to be seen whether they can keep recruiting well enough to sustain their success. Gonzaga, on the other hand, has had consistent success for what, 15+ years? Butler may be on their way to becoming the next Gonzaga, but they are definitely not there yet.
 
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