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Illinois State schedule

tornado said:
cpac - read my lips - I said you have one good team there - VCU -- if it's warped - it is because YOU are also saying they are the only really strong team........no need to argue about VCU - I am agreeing with you
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Okay.

You also said this:

D-II caliber & probable 300RPI teams
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Outside of Chicago State, who are the D-II caliber and probable 300 RPI teams?
 
TheAsianSensation said:
ISU's schedule is better than BU's schedule. The margin isn't great - it's reasonably close, but ISU's is better. It's better, but slightly below average overall. If that qualifies as weak for you, ok.

The reason it's better is actually because of RPI 300+ avoidance, the very thing that Bradley is doing poorly right now. I think you're going to see many 150-225 opponents for ISU. Still, anything is an upgrade over the Jank Era.

I'll put the O/U on ISU's non-con SoS at 200 and BU's at 250.
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Well said. And I certainly don't think many are touting ISU's schedule as AWESOME or of the highest caliber.

Sorry, but I just don't see this schedule as one of the 10 worst in D I.
 
the SF teams - there's a poss one is gonna have to be a D-II as most DI teams are already booked up


What I see on ISU's schedule is perhaps one non-con opponent that will have an RPI under 100 - and maybe only one under 150
That is exactly what Bradley had last year, and it translated to one of the worst non-con schedules in all of D-I
 
tornado said:
the SF teams - there's a poss one is gonna have to be a D-II as most DI teams are already booked up


What I see on ISU's schedule is perhaps one non-con opponent that will have an RPI under 100 - and maybe only one under 150
That is exactly what Bradley had last year, and it translated to one of the worst non-con schedules in all of D-I
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Well I am going to have to agree to disagree with you here.

The San Fran teams that ISU is scheduled to play against are Vermont and the Host team San Fran, and one team TBD. Can't speak on the TBD, but both Vermont and San Fran should be as good as they were last year or BETTER.

Vermont (RPI of 138 ) returns it's top 6 players from last year.

San Fran (RPI of 161) returns 7 of their top 8 players. Their 3rd leading scorer (11 ppg) is their only loss.
 
FWIW, the Puerta Vallarta tourney is starting to fill out. There are five teams in the field so far as per Tulane, one of the participants who has also released their schedule.

http://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2...asketball-early-season-tournaments-events-MTE

http://www.tulanegreenwave.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/tul-m-baskbl-sched.html

I'm wondering why tourneys are scrambling at this time of year to fill their fields, especially those that are played yearly, such as the Mexico tourney. They should book teams at least a year in advance. I think the Alaska Shootout books their teams 2-3 years in advance.

Just my $0.02. As I said above, FWIW.
 
The problem is that nearly every team that agrees to be a participant, does so with an opt-out clause dependent on several factors- who the other teams are, which of them they get to play, and how the rest of their schedule comes together. Unfortunately, most teams end up pulling out because they don't like the other teams they get matched with, or they don't like the uncertainty, or they need the dates because something better becomes available to them. These smaller tournaments are not big money makers, and many of them have folded, including the Alaskan Top of the World Tournament.
 
I'm more interested in the MVC results by both teams. I'm assuming the SOS will probably be changing for both teams during the season.
 
LongTimeFan said:
I'm more interested in the MVC results by both teams. I'm assuming the SOS will probably be changing for both teams during the season.
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Yes, so far all we can go by is last year's RPI and SOS. Those numbers will change some as this year progresses, but it is still able to be predicted.
 
And playing a D-II school is better, IMO, then playing a 300+ RPI school, as a D-II school doesn't count go against your RPI...

Granted, I'd rather have a good D-I. Regardless ISU schedule >>> BU schedule :lol:
 
tornado said:
but it's sorta like two guys in a pigpen arguing who is dirtier...
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Assuming these #'s are right from your scheduling thread...

Nov. 8 ALABAMA STATE..............327
Nov. 10 JACKSONVILLE STATE......147
Nov. 12 CENTRAL MICHIGAN.........260
Nov. 15 CHICAGO STATE.............321
Nov. 17 at Illinois.......................40
Nov. 22 at Arizona State.............89
Nov. 30 UTPA............................304
Dec. 4 IUPUI.............................329
Dec. 7 at Milwaukee...................307
Dec. 10 IPFW...........................254
Dec. 20 vs. Portland(Las Vegas)..232
Dec. 21 vs. Pacific (Las Vegas)....97
Dec. 28 SOUTH FLORIDA............150

That's an average RPI of 220

ISU's:

VCU- 25
Drexel- 206
Northwestern- 168
Manhattan- 183
Vermont- 134
San Fran- 167
Sonoma- N/A
Chi St.- 320
Dayton- 114
Oakland- 152
Tenn St.- 105
DePaul- 204

That's an average RPI of 162

BU opponents RPI:
0-50------ 1
51-100----2
101-150---2
151-200---0
200-300---3
300+ ------5

ISU opponents RPI
0-50 ------1
51-100-----0
101-150----3
151-200----4
200-300----2
300+ ------1

Seems fairly straight forward to me ;-)
 
so you feel good skeeting the facts by not counting the D-II which by all rights is really the same as a 350 ?/ :)

we're talking about how "good" (quality) the schedule is not how vague numbers relevant only to LAST YEAR plot out..
I prefer to use the eye test ;)

let's sort them this way...

UPPER crust of D-I (1-150) - these are largely decent opponents
BU - 5
ISU - 4

LOWER crust of D-I (151-350) - these are largely bad opponents who will hurt your RPI and chances for the post-season
BU - 8
ISU - 8
 
Just to butt in, there is a world of difference between the damage a RPI 175 team generally causes and the damage a RPI 300 team causes. The 175 team either hovers around .500 and doesn't kill the SoS, or has a decent schedule that doesn't hurt the opponent SoS category. The RPI 300 usually has a bad record that hurts the SoS and sometimes has the bad schedule to boot.


There's two types of bad schedules: the one with teams that hurt your postseason resume, and the one with just plain bad teams. They're similar but not exact. Because DII teams are bad bad bad, but don't hurt the resume. So if you're going to argue ISU having a DII is really bad for the schedule, you can't back it up with an RPI/postseason argument because the DII doesn't impact that.
 
I thought now that the season is over, it would be interesting to bump this thread up.
tornado said:
What I see on ISU's schedule is perhaps one non-con opponent that will have an RPI under 100 - and maybe only one under 150
That is exactly what Bradley had last year, and it translated to one of the worst non-con schedules in all of D-I
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ISU ended up with 4 teams under 100. (another one just missed being at 101). You predicted 1.

ISU ended up with another 3 teams under 150. (another one just missed being at 156). You predicted 1.

7 teams in the top 150, while you predicted 2.

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2014/schedule/Illinois-State

ISU's non conf schedule ended up at 105. No where near Bradley's was 2 years ago at 338!

Also you predicted a bunch of Probable teams in the 300's for ISU. We played NONE. Tenn State was very close at 299. But our 4 worst were 299, 260, 156 and 134.
 
"perhaps" is a prediction?? whoa - you are pretty amazing in your digging to play gotcha...
ISU's non-conference SOS was - depending on who you believe - somewhere between 100 to 135 - not as impressive as you seem to suggest
..and some sources say only 3 of the opponents were under 100 .. but regardless......

anyway - clearly I was talking non-conference strength - and if some sites have ISU's non-con SOS at almost 140, especially after all those years of Jank's SOS over 340 - I am still not blown away
 
tornado said:
"perhaps" is a prediction?? whoa - you are pretty amazing in your digging to play gotcha...
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Classic! You guys have been doing "gotcha" for 3 years now with all your "fallout" talk, but when I bump a thread from earlier THIS season, it's digging!
ISU's non-conference SOS was - depending on who you believe - somewhere between 100 to 135 - not as impressive as you seem to suggest
..and some sources say only 3 of the opponents were under 100 .. but regardless......

anyway - clearly I was talking non-conference strength - and if some sites have ISU's non-con SOS at almost 140, especially after all those years of Jank's SOS over 340 - I am still not blown away
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You won't gone down without a fight, I will give you that. You do like to dance around your posts though.

Okay, let's go with Your non conf SOS # of 140. It's 200 spots better than you predicted or claimed or said in passing , or however you want to dance around the facts.

Just go back and read the posts in this thread and you will see how very wrong you here about this particular topic. It happens.
 
you are wrong - nobody here ever trolls the ISU board...I nor any Bradley fan I have ever heard of - have NEVER gone onto your board, the ISU board, nor the boards of any other MVC team just for the purpose of dragging up some year-old thread to point out some minor inaccuracy or discrepancy...you truly are kinda unique in that area.

I hold to my opinions because they are right -- and time has proven so ..
If you wanna talk fallout...
I have been tempted many times to link to or quote all the posters comments who said the coaching change in 2011 was going make us immediately better, bring in studs, get us into the post-season, etc...
I really never have yet you claim it to be true nonetheless...:roll:
 
ISU ended up with a non-con SoS of 96. Wow. I was off on that one. Looking at it, teams like San Fran (68 ), Vermont (101), Manhattan (60) ended up maybe 50 or so spots higher than I thought, and only two true anchors on there. Plus playing a pair of A-10 schools, who gamed the system this year, helped. Kudos, they've shedded the Jankovich era for good it looks like.

t, it's ok to admit you were wrong about ISU's schedule, like I was ;)
 
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