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Jim Les or Tim Jankovic

jim les

jim les

In 7 years JL has made tremendous advances. I believe that he continues to improve.
 
IMO, Les. Jank hasn't been around enough to make a case. he didn't recruit his best player, and has a bloated record against a very weak schedule.

this is not a knock on Jank... in a few years, I may feel otherwise. Les has continued to show improvement, and right now, I think he's the better coach.
 
I've said before IMO JL has not done bad but hasn't done real good either based upon records,conference and tourney finishes.

I like Jank so far but it's too hard for me to compare right now.
 
Well, Les has had to create a completely new offensive strategy twice now, due to personnel losses that weren't his fault. he's also recruited some good talent. he's improved as an in-game strategist.

he's not perfect, but he has shown improvement.

I wonder if you're not trying to start a masked "fire jim les" thread, where you ask people what's so great about him, then make efforts to refute whatever is said?
 
I think Les has improved a great deal as a coach. It's hard to evaluate Jank after this short time. He's proven without a doubt that his teams can crush cupcakes with the best of them. ISU has also looked a little soft on the road in the MVC (something I can't accuse this BU team of). Right now it's clear for me: Les.
 
Jim Les

Jim Les

Murph said:
Can you please tell us what he has done (other than the sweet 16) to make "tremendous advances"?
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Murph, I don't think that JL is there yet. However, I thought that he was really weak the first couple of years. But, I see improvement is every facet of his coaching from recruiting to tightening up the overall flow of the game. However, as I said, he is not there yet.
 
They're each 2-2 against the other. I say we call it even! :D Or you could give the slight edge to JL for beating Kansas when Jank was an assistant.
 
numbr_9 said:
I wonder if you're not trying to start a masked "fire jim les" thread, where you ask people what's so great about him, then make efforts to refute whatever is said?
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Looks like it to me.

lefty actually tempered his ire a little bit in his response. I was expecting him to come in guns a-blazin'.
 
Buesch N Chips said:
Looks like it to me.

lefty actually tempered his ire a little bit in his response. I was expecting him to come in guns a-blazin'.
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nah...I'm mellowing with age.

I think other than a 12-15 game run one year(which was great) he's done OK. Nothing special nothing really bad either. We need to pick it up some for sure next year

A year from now if we have this record it might be a different story..... I got other things to worry about until then
 
ISU, arguably, has the most talented roster in the Valley. All that Jank hasn't gotten out of this underachieving group is a boat load of underwhelming wins against bad low major teams. Now that I think about it, the same could be said for Creighton which has also underachieved with an extremely talented roster. Les, on the other hand, has shown tremendous flexibility in adapting BU's scheme to match the skill set of its players. He arguably has gotten much more out of this years team than should be expected in light of the injury situation. My vote goes for Les.
 
Unlike the Jim Les v. a certain other Valley coach thread ... I completely agree that Les should be considered the better coach at this point.

I like to think about it this way ... if BU and ISU switched rosters, Les would likely be in first place but I doubt Jankovich would be doing as well with Bradley's players. Les has learned how to win on the road, which ISU doesn't seem to have harnessed yet.
 
I don't think the discussion should be Les vs. any other coach, it should be is the BU program where it should be. Is the BU program going to get where it should be? So far the program in my opinion has been mediocre. This year could be good or yet another year of mediocre, we will see. I don't buy the Jank has better players arguement. Les has had many years to recruit and the success is not on some other coaches players. Les is improving, but the results are not satisfactory yet, in my opinion. I want him to succeed. Time is running out along with the reasons of mediocrity being players leaving or getting hurt. Yes AW is missed as a shooter this year, but why is he the only shooter on the team? Yes, the team is struggling in the 5 spot, but how many years after POB left early does it take to solve this issue? Why does this team have so little experience which is used as a reason for some of the problems? How does a Drake last year and a UNI this year which BU should be able to out recruit (facilities not withstanding) put solid, well coached, fundamentally sound teams on the floor? We can say this team or that team is struggling and they have CLO or Dana, but why is BU always mediocre? Is this acceptable? I agree improvements have been made(even Kirk Wessler says this ;)), but results need to follow soon. I may be wrong but I don't think most BU fans will accept mediocrity forever. I noticed last night that a game in Carver against the 1st place team with BU in 2nd, did not come close to selling out. Speaks volumes, because money talks. I notice that the Braves club is struggling to sell out the raffle, and the luncheons have far less people attending....coincidence or the economy....I don't think so. Let's hope the team fixes the issues, the coaching staff fixes the issues and BU gets on a ten year run.
 
Big Mike,

I did not say the economy did not affect things, I said the economy not withstanding. Were you surprised at the attendance last night? Do you think it was only due to the economy? When Mo was let go, it was my opinion that the number 1 reason was money. I also think that will be the reason Les will be let go, if he ever is. Watch the money, it speaks volumes.

Some of us fans will spend our money even in bad years (heck I am spending money to go to Drake saturday to support the Braves) but some won't. Can you imagine the attendance at games, luncheons, pre-season gala (also had empty tables this year) if BU finished in the top 3 most years and won the conference or tourney?

BU is a special place to play and coach. Finishing in the middle of the pack too many years in a row is not acceptable. Again, I want Les to succeed, and there is still time this year, let's hope. Also, I don't accept the hype for next year or any year in the future. It is year 7, time to figure it out soon. If not, it won't be me who affects the change because I will still spend my money, but many won't.
 
braves12 said:
I don't think the discussion should be Les vs. any other coach, it should be is the BU program where it should be. Is the BU program going to get where it should be? So far the program in my opinion has been mediocre. This year could be good or yet another year of mediocre, we will see. I don't buy the Jank has better players arguement. Les has had many years to recruit and the success is not on some other coaches players. Les is improving, but the results are not satisfactory yet, in my opinion. I want him to succeed. Time is running out along with the reasons of mediocrity being players leaving or getting hurt. Yes AW is missed as a shooter this year, but why is he the only shooter on the team? Yes, the team is struggling in the 5 spot, but how many years after POB left early does it take to solve this issue? Why does this team have so little experience which is used as a reason for some of the problems? How does a Drake last year and a UNI this year which BU should be able to out recruit (facilities not withstanding) put solid, well coached, fundamentally sound teams on the floor? We can say this team or that team is struggling and they have CLO or Dana, but why is BU always mediocre? Is this acceptable? I agree improvements have been made(even Kirk Wessler says this ;)), but results need to follow soon. I may be wrong but I don't think most BU fans will accept mediocrity forever. I noticed last night that a game in Carver against the 1st place team with BU in 2nd, did not come close to selling out. Speaks volumes, because money talks. I notice that the Braves club is struggling to sell out the raffle, and the luncheons have far less people attending....coincidence or the economy....I don't think so. Let's hope the team fixes the issues, the coaching staff fixes the issues and BU gets on a ten year run.
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Braves12

You have expressed the current BU status extremely accurately. I agree with you 100%.
 
B12....I bet if you could check it out...Tuesday night would be the lowest attendance day of the week...too-close to the weekend and a school night....but I have had a very bad year business wise and usually buy 2 -$100 tickets...this year I will buy none...it is not on top of my priority list when money is tight...if you are not a season ticket holder you do not come out in tough times in the middle of the week..as far as the team....we were in 2nd place playing the top team...what more could the school and staff do ..besides the Braves are still doing the "Family pack" for the rest of the season ....$40 for 4 seats, 4 dogs and 4 sodas.......if that game last night was on a Sat-nite there sould have been 1000 more fans! :wink:
 
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