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John Wilkins PJS Juco story....
- Thread starter Big Mike
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I can see the silver lining here...
--He doesn't lose a year of eligibility this year. That's huge.
--He gets to get in basketball shape all semester.
--He gets one full year of playing on a talented JUCO.
--We get him for THREE YEARS!
Even if he had qualified now, after his 5 game suspension, we'd only have him for a few games this year. And then three more years. We still get three years with him, they're just delayed by a year. And he's had quite some time playing! That just means he'll be more developed and stronger! Basically, one semester (or less!) and having him NOW is what we're trading to give him a year and a half of getting prepped for the hilltop.
The NCAA may have done us a favor here
(Okay, so maybe not... but the future with JW is going to be amazing. And yes, I wholeheartedly trust in JW and his family when they say he is still committed to us.)
--He doesn't lose a year of eligibility this year. That's huge.
--He gets to get in basketball shape all semester.
--He gets one full year of playing on a talented JUCO.
--We get him for THREE YEARS!
Even if he had qualified now, after his 5 game suspension, we'd only have him for a few games this year. And then three more years. We still get three years with him, they're just delayed by a year. And he's had quite some time playing! That just means he'll be more developed and stronger! Basically, one semester (or less!) and having him NOW is what we're trading to give him a year and a half of getting prepped for the hilltop.
The NCAA may have done us a favor here
(Okay, so maybe not... but the future with JW is going to be amazing. And yes, I wholeheartedly trust in JW and his family when they say he is still committed to us.)ser_solace
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Yeah, sounds like Wilkins is still enthusiastic about being with BU. Hope he still makes it here.
If the NCAA clears him, then he becomes an official qualifier out of high school. In that case he does not need to stay at the junior college until he receives his degree, and can transfer to a 4-year school any time.
In that case he becomes like Lance Stemler. Lance was a qualifier out of Waterloo-Gibault HS, but went to juco because he didn't have a D1 offer he liked. After spending just a few months at Southwestern CC, and while redshirting his freshman year there, he committed to Bradley. He transferred after one year there, and had 4 years of eligibility after that.
JW a 4 kills my dream of playing (3) 6'8"+ guys at the same time. (After hearing he played a 2 or 3) I guess better to set expectations now.
I guess we'll have a lot of guys fighting for few spots in a year or 2 (TB, MK, JW, SH, JP, WE, AT)
ser_solace
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He did return to Southwest Illinois CC after 1 year at Bradley and became a juco All American, but he spent a year there redshirting after HS and before coming to Bradley.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=2&cid=260742&nid=1296817&fhn=1&pg=2
IL JC Redshirt Signs with Missouri Valley
by Chris Monter of CollegeBasketballNews.com, May 20, 2004 at 1:33am ET
Lance Stemler Profile
Lance Stemler, a 6-foot-7 forward from Southwestern Illinois (IL) CC signed a National Letter of Intent with Bradley. Stemler, a 2003 graduate of Gibault Catholic High School in Waterloo, will have four years of eligibility at BU after he redshirted last season after breaking his left (non-shooting) wrist during the preseason. He was eligible to transfer to Bradley because he was an academic qualifier out of high school.
"When we looked at our roster, the one thing I wanted to address was the ability to shoot the ball," Bradley head coach Jim Les told the Peoria Journal Star. "You never have enough shooters, and our shooting percentages last year weren't where I wanted them to be. Lance can play multiple positions (primarily small and power forward) and is just a knockdown shooter who is also a pretty good post-up player."
Stemler was the Belleville Area Player of the Year in 2003 and earned second-team Illinois Basketball Coaches Association Class A all-state honors and honorable mention all-state notice from the Associated Press following his senior season. During that 2002-03 campaign, Stemler led Gibault to a 25-3 record by averaging 23.0 points and 8.4 rebounds per game. He shot 57.2 percent overall the field, highlighted by a 63-for-111 (.568 ) effort from behind the 3-point line. Stemler attracted interest from Loyola, Georgia State and San Jose State.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=2&cid=260742&nid=1296817&fhn=1&pg=2
IL JC Redshirt Signs with Missouri Valley
by Chris Monter of CollegeBasketballNews.com, May 20, 2004 at 1:33am ET
Lance Stemler Profile
Lance Stemler, a 6-foot-7 forward from Southwestern Illinois (IL) CC signed a National Letter of Intent with Bradley. Stemler, a 2003 graduate of Gibault Catholic High School in Waterloo, will have four years of eligibility at BU after he redshirted last season after breaking his left (non-shooting) wrist during the preseason. He was eligible to transfer to Bradley because he was an academic qualifier out of high school.
"When we looked at our roster, the one thing I wanted to address was the ability to shoot the ball," Bradley head coach Jim Les told the Peoria Journal Star. "You never have enough shooters, and our shooting percentages last year weren't where I wanted them to be. Lance can play multiple positions (primarily small and power forward) and is just a knockdown shooter who is also a pretty good post-up player."
Stemler was the Belleville Area Player of the Year in 2003 and earned second-team Illinois Basketball Coaches Association Class A all-state honors and honorable mention all-state notice from the Associated Press following his senior season. During that 2002-03 campaign, Stemler led Gibault to a 25-3 record by averaging 23.0 points and 8.4 rebounds per game. He shot 57.2 percent overall the field, highlighted by a 63-for-111 (.568 ) effort from behind the 3-point line. Stemler attracted interest from Loyola, Georgia State and San Jose State.
It may be possible that coach see's a 6-8 guy and thinks he must be a Center and is currently suprised to see JW can at least be a 4. (That would be a typical HS coaching mentality as most schools do not have many 6'5"+ guys in enrollment, but I would not think that mentality would still exist in any college)
but seems unlikely given the history of players in our system. We are more likely to emphasize speed and ball handeling at positions 1-4, so typically if there is a change in a player's "natural position" it will be a 1 in HS becomes a 2 at BU; or a 2 becomes a 3; or a 3 becomes a 4 in our system...
Now that would be something.... I'm sure BU is still pursuing a decision from the NCAA on this matter. Who knows, maybe we will see Wilkins at BU in the fall...
Didn't you hear the PJS had cuts? ;-) No no, not just people, but content!:lol:
Bradleyguy10
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Maybe that particular team just happens to NEED a 4 player more than anyone else...so that's what he'll be used for. I'm going to assume that if JW gets here he'll be used as a 3 that can shoot and TB will probably be used as a 4. I still think that TB can shoot and it will eventually show. Maybe not this season but hopefully sometime in his career, but I think JW will be used both at the 3 and 4 spot, and if he can shoot really well even at the 2. Think of that mismatch.
In every other game this season (except UNI) TW has been too valuable to not play, but TW is really only effective as a 4 in this system (TW does not seem to have the ball handling and 3 point shooting needed from the 3 in this system) I think TB would play more as a 4 if TW were not so usually effective.
Which brings up the "concern" TB seems to be a darn good 4 of the future, and a known good D1 quantity (I cannot project any non D1 player overtaking TB). To a fan like me, I loose some enthuiasm about getting so many more, bigger guys in the future if we are only going to play a max of 2 at any time. It appears that TB and WE will be the standards of the 4 and 5 starting positions next year.
We also only have 1 more year of DD and CR at the 3 I would like the option of JW being groomed as that 3 replacement. If that "grooming" is toughening up JW as a 4 in Juco, while not loosing any of his quicks and ball handeling, then so be it.
I realize I'm only a fan, and nothing I say will make any difference to the coaches.
He did return to Southwest Illinois CC after 1 year at Bradley and became a juco All American, but he spent a year there redshirting after HS and before coming to Bradley.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=2&cid=260742&nid=1296817&fhn=1&pg=2
IL JC Redshirt Signs with Missouri Valley
by Chris Monter of CollegeBasketballNews.com, May 20, 2004 at 1:33am ET
Lance Stemler Profile
Lance Stemler, a 6-foot-7 forward from Southwestern Illinois (IL) CC signed a National Letter of Intent with Bradley. Stemler, a 2003 graduate of Gibault Catholic High School in Waterloo, will have four years of eligibility at BU after he redshirted last season after breaking his left (non-shooting) wrist during the preseason. He was eligible to transfer to Bradley because he was an academic qualifier out of high school.
"When we looked at our roster, the one thing I wanted to address was the ability to shoot the ball," Bradley head coach Jim Les told the Peoria Journal Star. "You never have enough shooters, and our shooting percentages last year weren't where I wanted them to be. Lance can play multiple positions (primarily small and power forward) and is just a knockdown shooter who is also a pretty good post-up player."
Stemler was the Belleville Area Player of the Year in 2003 and earned second-team Illinois Basketball Coaches Association Class A all-state honors and honorable mention all-state notice from the Associated Press following his senior season. During that 2002-03 campaign, Stemler led Gibault to a 25-3 record by averaging 23.0 points and 8.4 rebounds per game. He shot 57.2 percent overall the field, highlighted by a 63-for-111 (.568 ) effort from behind the 3-point line. Stemler attracted interest from Loyola, Georgia State and San Jose State.
thanks DC
mrcoachdude
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TB should be the 3 next year and if JW clears NCAA and he can bypass the JC route he should be the 4....but they could switch...they both have the ability to play either.....
what am I doing this for we are only halfway thru this season..........
what am I doing this for we are only halfway thru this season..........
Bradleyguy10
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All I care about is the following:
When JW comes...if we still have TB, WE, AT, JP, MK, and (depending on when JW comes) SH...there NEEDS to be some sort of combination where 3 of those guys are out there the MAJORITY (>50%) of the time. Who knows who else we'll have by then also.
We FINALLY are getting the size and athleticism. If we let that go to waste...it is most definitely on the coach and is a travesty to Bradley basketball.
When JW comes...if we still have TB, WE, AT, JP, MK, and (depending on when JW comes) SH...there NEEDS to be some sort of combination where 3 of those guys are out there the MAJORITY (>50%) of the time. Who knows who else we'll have by then also.
We FINALLY are getting the size and athleticism. If we let that go to waste...it is most definitely on the coach and is a travesty to Bradley basketball.