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John Wilkins to visit isu this weekend

tornado, you might want to let Chico know that Jeff Wilkins is an all-time great at ISU. There's your answer as to why Wilkins' accomplishments were noted.

Re: the rest of your post on ISU. I wonder what has changed since Wilkins' original intention of attending Bradley? ISU has not recently gotten in touch with their past, as far as I know.
 
I tried...
had Jeff Wilkins played at Bradley he'd have a banner hanging and be welcomed back many times...
and his mentor and coach would be given courtside seats for every home game.....oh wait...he already is...
 
BSSFan#1 said:
Not talking about where the elder Wilkins compares in MVC history. ISU wasn't even part of the MVC when he played at ISU.

This is about Wilkins' legacy at ISU. Flash certainly knows more about ISU history than me and he has told me Wilkins is one of the all-time greats at ISU. I trust Flash's knowledge about this.

As far as the numbers go, Wilkins has played in more NBA games than any other Redbird. He has the 2nd most NBA points trailing Doug Collins.

Wilkins high scoring game at ISU was 41 which ranks tied for 12th. Wilkins scored 631 points in 1977 which is the 6th highest single season total at ISU. His career total is 1,329 and ranks 17th. He did this is 3 years. Wilkins was the 9th leading career scorer when he left ISU. Wilkins also had 2 20 rebound games. He grabbed 323 rebounds in 1977 which ranks as the 5th best single season at ISU. Wilkins' 794 career rebounds is 7th on ISU's all time list. He amassed these totals in 81 games, not the 130+ games played by today's players.

Again, we are talking ISU history and how ISU fans feel about Wilkins and not MVC history.

Thanks for making this an ISU history lesson. ;-)
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I'm not comparing MVC histories. Just said that the Hawk is the leading all time scorer for a well respected conference. IF ISU wasn't part of the MVC when Wilkens played, I'm sure his competition wasn't the greatest. Fred Marberry from Peoria is one of the all time leading scorers there and I wouldn't compare him with what Hersey accomplished. Not a slam at Wilkins, just giving my opinion and I don't need Tornado, as you suggested, to give me lessons in basketball history.
 
It doesn't appear that you are following my premise.

It was suggested that Hawkins' kids wouldn't want to play at BU due to unfair pressure/expectations. That would be the same as Chris Collins attending ISU.

If Hawkins is considered number 1 at Bradley, then JJ Anderson or Anthony Parker could be considered 2. (Sorry Chet Walker, et al)

Jeff Wilkins certainly can be considered number 2 at ISU.

It has nothing to do with being the conference leading scorer, etc. It has to do with being one of the all time greats at ISU, regardless of where that ranks you nationally or in a conference.

By the way, ISU wasn't D1 when Marberry played there. Difficult to bring that comparison. And I'd venture to say that ISU had more talent during the Wilkins era than lots of MVC teams.
 
Chico said:
I'm not comparing MVC histories. Just said that the Hawk is the leading all time scorer for a well respected conference. IF ISU wasn't part of the MVC when Wilkens played, I'm sure his competition wasn't the greatest. Fred Marberry from Peoria is one of the all time leading scorers there and I wouldn't compare him with what Hersey accomplished. Not a slam at Wilkins, just giving my opinion and I don't need Tornado, as you suggested, to give me lessons in basketball history.
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That a Boy Chico:!: After reading many of your post's, I would say you don't need anyone to give you lessons on BU BB:D You have a rich and long knowledge of BU BB and its players, friend:D Please keep sharing it with all of us fans:!::D
 
Haven't seen this posted anywhere so just in case....

Indiana is pursuing former Iowa recruit Cody Larson a 6'9 player whose game is reported to be a mix between a 3, 4, and a 5.

"Larson, who has four official visits remaining, is not speaking publicly about his recruitment at this time, but is expected to take some time to work through the recruiting process before making a decision. The spring signing period begins this Wednesday and concludes on May 19."

http://www.insidethehall.com/2010/04/12/indiana-pursuing-former-iowa-recruit-cody-larson/

What a mess... I wonder how many players Tom Crean can string along like this:?:
 
Indiana is pursuing all of my kids except my 11 year old...and both my cats just got a letter in the mail...and one doesn't even play basketball!

Seriously, with so many gazillions of kids targeted, how can any really feel like they are a top target to Crean..
I think this pattern of recruiting and offering just about everyone can work against him...and it seems to be doing so as he cannot get anyone but 3-Star kids to commit!
 
Da Coach said:
Here is another big man (juco) that just reversed his commitment to Valparaiso, and it is reported that Indiana is hotly pursuing him, too.
http://midstatehoops.com/v5/?p=4910
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Hmm...this kid's stats actually pale in comparison to the freshman stats of Breland McKnight a couple years ago at ICC...
but then I guess we were told by someone on another board that McKnight was being heavily (no pun intended) recruited by Bobby Knight and Texas Tech...:roll:

anyway - in the daily dose of Hoosier silliness...even the die hard Indiana fans are tiring a little of Crean chasing every single recruit known to man, offering most of those living in the western hemisphere, and yet still landing nobody so far but guys like Tijan Jobe (3 ppg scorer at juco), and this year's guys Oladipo & Sheehey - both 3-Star, mid-major caliber player...
Even when he had a truckload of decent recruits for 2009 and had a TOP 10 recruiting class, only one really panned out, and now he's trying to recruit over the others...

Speaking of recruiting over....every kid at D-I has to know, the coach will always be trying to "recruit over" you - so that's your incentive to work & be better than those guys coming in after you...

BUT -- in Crean's case it's different as he said publically at a post game press conference that he was tired of all his kids being lazy and playing no defense, so he actually vowed to go out and land someone/anyone and play them over the guys he already had.
In other words...he flatly said that no matter who he went out & got that they'd replace the lazy guys he had in his Top 10 recruiting class!

That's actually more of slam against his current players ...so is it any wonder a couple of future recruits have already said they don't want to play for Crean.
Are you listening, JW?
 
BSSFan#1 said:
Jeff Wilkins certainly can be considered number 2 at ISU.

It has nothing to do with being the conference leading scorer, etc. It has to do with being one of the all time greats at ISU, regardless of where that ranks you nationally or in a conference.

By the way, ISU wasn't D1 when Marberry played there. Difficult to bring that comparison. And I'd venture to say that ISU had more talent during the Wilkins era than lots of MVC teams.
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Probably true...I remember him being very good, and their team as being very good. Looking in their archives, they were an Independant (like Notre Dame) and had Rick Whitlow, Roger Powell, Billy Lewis, Bubbles Hawkins etc. on their roster, and some of the teams they played while Wilkins was there included Ball State, West Virginia, Butler, Marshall, UNLV, Oral Roberts, St. Louis, Florida State, Pacific, South Alabama, Drake, Indiana State, SIU, and us...maybe a BETTER schedule than they have now:roll:
 
tornado said:
Hmm...this kid's stats actually pale in comparison to the freshman stats of Breland McKnight a couple years ago at ICC...
but then I guess we were told by someone on another board that McKnight was being heavily (no pun intended) recruited by Bobby Knight and Texas Tech...:roll:

anyway - in the daily dose of Hoosier silliness...even the die hard Indiana fans are tiring a little of Crean chasing every single recruit known to man, offering most of those living in the western hemisphere, and yet still landing nobody so far but guys like Tijan Jobe (3 ppg scorer at juco), and this year's guys Oladipo & Sheehey - both 3-Star, mid-major caliber player...
Even when he had a truckload of decent recruits for 2009 and had a TOP 10 recruiting class, only one really panned out, and now he's trying to recruit over the others...

Speaking of recruiting over....every kid at D-I has to know, the coach will always be trying to "recruit over" you - so that's your incentive to work & be better than those guys coming in after you...

BUT -- in Crean's case it's different as he said publically at a post game press conference that he was tired of all his kids being lazy and playing no defense, so he actually vowed to go out and land someone/anyone and play them over the guys he already had.
In other words...he flatly said that no matter who he went out & got that they'd replace the lazy guys he had in his Top 10 recruiting class!

That's actually more of slam against his current players ...so is it any wonder a couple of future recruits have already said they don't want to play for Crean.
Are you listening, JW?
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I wouldn't consider asking his players to play defense a "slam"

So you are saying "don't go to Indiana JW if you want a coach that wants you to not be lazy"...:roll:

EDIT: If you wanted to hear a "slam"...you should have listened to Bruce Weber on the 1290 AM post game show after their loss to Dayton to end their season.
 
Future Walk-On said:
I wouldn't consider asking his players to play defense a "slam"

So you are saying "don't go to Indiana JW if you want a coach that wants you to not be lazy"...:roll:
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I believe what T was saying is if you want a coach that will do all that he can do to recruit over you (no loyalty to anyone but himself) and call you out in the press instead of doing things as a team behind doors, then head to IU. It is not secret that Crean over recruits and does not care what he says about his players to the press. It's his style like it or not!
 
SFP said:
I believe what T was saying is if you want a coach that will do all that he can do to recruit over you (no loyalty to anyone but himself) and call you out in the press instead of doing things as a team behind doors, then head to IU. It is not secret that Crean over recruits and does not care what he says about his players to the press. It's his style like it or not!
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I guess everyone just needs to step it up!

Yeah I always have felt that individual players should not be brought up to the press.
 
ah ha...I am hearing some rumbles of an interesting ploy ISU is using to snag Wilkins.....gotta wonder if they've been reading this board...:roll:
 
tornado said:
ah ha...I am hearing some rumbles of an interesting ploy ISU is using to snag Wilkins.....gotta wonder if they've been reading this board...:roll:
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Retiring Pop's jersey while young Junior Wilkins is playing his first home game at that terrible basketball facility..that'd be quaint...maybe theyll even let the young Wilkins wear the number too..how cute. Or maybe I am thinking the wrong direction..?

Gag me.

Jersey retired at ISU = a womans underpants nailed to the ceiling in a bar.
 
I don't know maybe I am just biased, but I don't understand of the 4 teams why BU isn't by far the best option even if you take the fans and support and who wants him worst (you know that is BU fans) out of it.

Iowa St. is in the cellar with a coach on the hot seat.

Indiana is way in the deep dark corner of the cellar with a coach on the hot seat who doesn't care about his players at all as he has shown.

Illinois St. may have been better the last year or 2, but overall the programs history doesn't even compare on the court or academically. Besides we at least got a Sweet 16 recently, what has ISU's couple of good years brought them? They didn't win a conference title, nor did they even make the tourny once. I also think they will not be near as good this year.

Bradley at the absolute minimum you know will finish top half of the Valley next year, great chance of top 1 or 2. They have a coach who was in the NBA, and has gotten a guy there before. If JW is looking at that, ISU's coach couldn't get their sure fire NBA player King O into the NBA. I think we give him his best shot to make the NBA of the teams. Also we have helped him with everything along the way in this long process, that should be considered. We also have a great Business program, which according to the SE CC website is his major.

Just seems obvious to me. He would still be close to his dad as well. I cannot fathom why being a guy who is neutral to fans and is on a losing team, is better than being a guy adored by fans who has a great shot at winning.
 
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