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Local High School...Limestone gets bad news..

tornado said:
The only way to argue where the education is better is the outcome.
Graduation rates, drop out rates, standardized test scores, and the pct. of the seniors who end up going to college are all solid, and undeniable, unfudg-able ways to tell.
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I wonder what these numbers are at Limestone. Something tells me they aren't too bad!
 
leebiddlecome said:
Da Coach. No one is speaking for millions. And if people want control over their kids' education great. Parents have some control in all educational settings.

But to say it has NOTHING to do with race is very, very, very naive. Come on man. Its 2009. Let's talk as adults here.

I do ask again. Why not send your kids to the public schools to make the situation better instead of segregating and then complaining about how bad it is on the other side?
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Someone did speak for all those millions in the post above mine. It was stated that it is always because of racism.

I never said there aren't some people who make such decisions out of racism. But to say that is the main reason, or that all people consider this is ludicrous.

And to suggest that you think parents actually can change the archaic, and disintegrating public school system is the height of naivity. And please don't tell me that those parents should run for the school board.
 
leebiddlecome said:
Da Coach. No one is speaking for millions. And if people want control over their kids' education great. Parents have some control in all educational settings.

But to say it has NOTHING to do with race is very, very, very naive. Come on man. Its 2009. Let's talk as adults here.

I do ask again. Why not send your kids to the public schools to make the situation better instead of segregating and then complaining about how bad it is on the other side?
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you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

My kids went to a private school where there are/were plenty of races as well as income levels.......and I didn't complain about the other side.

darn...I couldn't resist
 
Da Coach said:
Someone did speak for all those millions in the post above mine. It was stated that it is always because of racism.

I never said there aren't some people who make such decisions out of racism. But to say that is the main reason, or that all people consider this is ludicrous.

And to suggest that you think parents actually can change the archaic, and disintegrating public school system is the height of naivity. And please don't tell me that those parents should run for the school board.
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Oh, I don't think all people consider race. I think a lot do. Just like a lot consider faith based reasons. While others consider other factors.

I'm not saying parents can change it alone. But their kids could. I will use SHG as an example again. If everyone of those kids at SHG went to a Springfield Public High School wouldn't those high schools be better because of the better students now going there?

See, to me, the education is more about the students, their natural abilities, and nature/nuture, vs. the schools themselves. The students drive the schools success, not the other way around. Just my opnion of course.
 
lefty said:
you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

My kids went to a private school where there are/were plenty of races as well as income levels.......and I didn't complain about the other side.

darn...I couldn't resist
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Good for you. You are just one example. Again, I never said every parent who sent their kid to private schools did it for race/income levels. But if you think NO ONE considers race then you would be wildly off base.

No offense, but the school your kids go/went to isn't the only one out there.
 
Managed to find one number.....96% graduation rate at Limestone. And the enrollment is going up every year as opposed to the "demise (gangs, drugs), being consolidated, shrinking enrollment, and closing down" that is the perception of public schools.
 
tornado said:
I guess I don't know what's worse....
a school where people would actually think like this,
or someone who thinks all private schools are this way?

BTW-- my son's (who is a freshman) best friend is of another race which is considered a "minority", and the girl he is dating is as well....so I really take a little offense at the allegations that people send their kids to private schools to get away from certain races.
The very school my kids would be in had we sent them to public school is a much higher pct. "white" than the school we have chosen.

I watched our school's team in the regionals as well, and of the five schools in the regionals, we were the only school who had kids of different races. Even the team that was top seeded had kid of only one single race.
Lefty was there, he'll confirm........
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So you don't think the allegation "that people send their kids to private schools to get away from certain races" is a true one? Why would you take offense to that statement? I don't think anyone said you personally are guilty of that, but to think people don't do such a thing is incredibly naive.
 
Good point Shaun.

Let's be free-thinking, open-minded adults here. Can't we agree on these two points?

1. To say that all parents who send their kids to private schools solely because of race would be a wildly inaccurate statement.

2. To say that no parents have ever considered race when sending their kids to private schools would be a wildly inaccurate statement.

Is it always considered? Of course not. It is sometimes considered? Of course.
 
leebiddlecome said:
Good point Shaun.

Let's be free-thinking, open-minded adults here. Can't we agree on these two points?

1. To say that all parents who send their kids to private schools solely because of race would be a wildly inaccurate statement.

2. To say that no parents have ever considered race when sending their kids to private schools would be a wildly inaccurate statement.

Is it always considered? Of course not. It is sometimes considered? Of course.
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Perhaps. And yes I'm only going by one school with around 20 years of involvement I don't know of anyone involved where race was a defining issue in their decision making
 
tornado said:
likewise....I think it is an incredibly rare thing.
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Rare at the schools you guys are associated with. That's great. But I just read an entire book with two chapters documenting the start of certain private schools---basically for ethnic cleansing.

Again, does it always happen? No. Does it happen? Yes.
 
leebiddlecome said:
This is a question I have for parents who send their kids to private schools. It is an honest question.

I understand the statistics and repuation of public schools. So why not send your kids there to help IMPROVE the situation, make things better, get things on the right track instead of segregating them and then talking about how bad things are in public schools?

To me being a part of the solution to the mess seems to make more sense than segregating from it. But, again, I don't have kids so I could be way off base.
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I usually stay out of discussions like these...but I'll bite......

I am the product of both private (Catholic) and public (Morton High) schooling. In Morton, the education is top notch no matter what school you attend. However my parents wanted me to receive more discipline, tougher academics and a religious education. I wasn't recruited by the school, it is attached to my parish.

Currently I teach at a private school (Catholic) and also coach. I have the same education and in most cases, more, than a public school teacher. I make no where near the $ I would at a public school. IMO our families break down economically about the same as the public schools.

We do not recruit students. We do publish how our students do in the classroom and in extra-curricular activities. We do not receive money from taxes like a public school does, which by the way our families help support by paying theirs! The local public high school is in our school far more (4-5 times) than the local Catholic high school (once a year). They come to talk to the kids about the academic programs, extra-curriculars, social events and other opportunities. I don't think that this is recruiting.

I send my children to a private school. Our reasons are the religious education, discipline, academics, small class sizes, and the extra-curricular activities. I have a child who has some special needs and the school works with the local public school to get him the help he needs. Things like special education programs cost money and most private school can not afford to supply that service. Not because they don't want to but because the added cost would be staggering. I guess I am just an elitist because I want these opportunities for my children.
 
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