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More coach firings...Loyola's Jim Whitesell, Oklahoma's Jeff Capel..

lefty -- here's my take...
whoever does the hire - -- be it a consulting firm, an AD, or Prez...obviously they want a flawless candidate but one with very few flaws would still be included...
If you go with a guy who was JUST fired..then you had better do your research..and find out what's up..
as I think it would be a recipe for disaster to immediately hire a guy who was just fired somewhere else...

Can you think of anyone who had success who was JUST hired immediately after being fired...?
This would not count Gillispie, Tim Floyd, Larry Eustachy -- all those guys had layoffs and worked on various aspects of their resumes...

I can't think of even ONE guy who was fired, then immed. hired and had good success. Maybe Steve Alford & Tubby come closest, yet still they were never actually fired...and they also began to lose as soon as their predecessor's players graduated...
 
tornado said:
lefty -- here's my take...
whoever does the hire - -- be it a consulting firm, an AD, or Prez...obviously they want a flawless candidate but one with very few flaws would still be included...
If you go with a guy who was JUST fired..then you had better do your research..and find out what's up..
as I think it would be a recipe for disaster to immediately hire a guy who was just fired somewhere else...

Can you think of anyone who had success who was JUST hired immediately after being fired...?
This would not count Gillispie, Tim Floyd, Larry Eustachy -- all those guys had layoffs and worked on various aspects of their resumes...

I can't think of even ONE guy who was fired, then immed. hired and had good success. Maybe Steve Alford & Tubby come closest, yet still they were never actually fired...and they also began to lose as soon as their predecessor's players graduated...
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I'm not disagreeing with you....I would agree on the research part too...but it also seems to me a head coach that has had success somewhere else could be better than an asst. too. Sometimes it is about the fit.
I'm too lazy to look it up but wasn't Amaker fired? He's doing fine at Harvard. Most of the guys fired seem to have money coming from a buyouts or contracts so I guess they don't mind stepping back for a bit either and I don't blame them.
 
Guys from ESPN think he's gonna be great...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6216030

A Big 12 Coach is a Big 12 Coach. That's the closest we're going to get to a major coach. In my opinion, this is one of the better candidates out there for hire right now. I wouldn't bother about why he was fired, you only get cases like the Football coach at USC (formerly Tennessee) once in a great while.
 
BUFanatic said:
Guys from ESPN think he's gonna be great...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6216030

A Big 12 Coach is a Big 12 Coach. That's the closest we're going to get to a major coach. In my opinion, this is one of the better candidates out there for hire right now. I wouldn't bother about why he was fired, you only get cases like the Football coach at USC (formerly Tennessee) once in a great while.
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Ehhh, who knows. He didn't get the job done in Oklahoma, but maybe he would be a good mid-major coach, at least for now.
 
Bravesfan said:
Ehhh, who knows. He didn't get the job done in Oklahoma, but maybe he would be a good mid-major coach, at least for now.
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He coached VCU before going to Oklahoma and won 79 games in 4 years. I think he has proven himself on the mid major level and think he would be a great fit for BU.
 
We'll see, hopefully soon. I would pursue this former Major coach if I were the BU admin. Hopefully we'll retain most of our players!
 
tornado said:
lefty -- here's my take...
whoever does the hire - -- be it a consulting firm, an AD, or Prez...obviously they want a flawless candidate but one with very few flaws would still be included...
If you go with a guy who was JUST fired..then you had better do your research..and find out what's up..
as I think it would be a recipe for disaster to immediately hire a guy who was just fired somewhere else...

Can you think of anyone who had success who was JUST hired immediately after being fired...?
This would not count Gillispie, Tim Floyd, Larry Eustachy -- all those guys had layoffs and worked on various aspects of their resumes...

I can't think of even ONE guy who was fired, then immed. hired and had good success. Maybe Steve Alford & Tubby come closest, yet still they were never actually fired...and they also began to lose as soon as their predecessor's players graduated...
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+1 good post
 
tornado said:
lefty -- here's my take...
whoever does the hire - -- be it a consulting firm, an AD, or Prez...obviously they want a flawless candidate but one with very few flaws would still be included...
If you go with a guy who was JUST fired..then you had better do your research..and find out what's up..
as I think it would be a recipe for disaster to immediately hire a guy who was just fired somewhere else...

Can you think of anyone who had success who was JUST hired immediately after being fired...?
This would not count Gillispie, Tim Floyd, Larry Eustachy -- all those guys had layoffs and worked on various aspects of their resumes...

I can't think of even ONE guy who was fired, then immed. hired and had good success. Maybe Steve Alford & Tubby come closest, yet still they were never actually fired...and they also began to lose as soon as their predecessor's players graduated...
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T. I agree with you 100%. I don't know what they are thinking but our board members have shown early interest in Pat Knight, etc, I remember clearly how down Kentucky was on Gillespie when they let him go. He had player's leave the program, he could not or would not communicate with the fan base, he poorly represented the school, etc, etc, etc. Many of our board members are not doing their homework.
 
afan said:
T. I agree with you 100%. I don't know what they are thinking but our board members have shown early interest in Pat Knight, etc, I remember clearly how down Kentucky was on Gillespie when they let him go. He had player's leave the program, he could not or would not communicate with the fan base, he poorly represented the school, etc, etc, etc. Many of our board members are not doing their homework.
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Gillispie? He's not a candidate is he? If he's done drinking and would consider BU, I'd take a very long look at him.
 
thefish7 said:
Gillispie? He's not a candidate is he? If he's done drinking and would consider BU, I'd take a very long look at him.
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Thank goodness., no...But, Check some of the posts that go on about how good Gillespie is. He has shown interest in several coaching jobs since leaving Kentucky...I wonder why no one has hired him?
 
afan said:
Thank goodness., no...But, Check some of the posts that go on about how good Gillespie is. He has shown interest in several coaching jobs since leaving Kentucky...I wonder why no one has hired him?
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I would think it's the history of DUIs.
 
Kansas State parted ways with Dana Altman in '94 after going 4-10 in the Big 8. He was 19-37 (.339) in conference in his four years as the Wildcats coach. That didn't go over too well since Lon Kruger had taken them to the NCAA tournament the prior four years thanks to players like Mitch Richmond.
 
it's boogie time said:
Kansas State parted ways with Dana Altman in '94 after going 4-10 in the Big 8. He was 19-37 (.339) in conference in his four years as the Wildcats coach. That didn't go over too well since Lon Kruger had taken them to the NCAA tournament the prior four years thanks to players like Mitch Richmond.
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nice one boogie
 
Hmmm..maybe not so nice, lefty........... ;) but I am sure we won't convince everyone....
First -- if you have to dig back 17 years to find one possible example then I think the case is proven...but I am even going to burst your bubble on this one as I do NOT believe Dana was fired at K-State...he left by a mutual agreement -- he just walked away and took what he deemed a better job....

Dana won 20 games at K-State in 1994 and made the Final Four of the NIT that year -- hardly a situation to fire the guy when he had a lot of good talent coming back!
Despite that I have seen and heard a few people -- 15 years after the fact - claim he was fired at K-State, I don't recall it that way....
So -- I believe he was NOT fired by K-State...I have seen statements that he chose to go to Creighton to get away from the incessant pressure to win at K-State and please the big money boosters...and the pay at that time wasn't all that much to step away from...

Here's a 1994 article and never once mentions Altman being fired at K-State -- I find that odd unless maybe he wasn't fired...
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/01/sports/sports-people-basketball-new-coach-at-creighton.html?src=pm

and his bio says he left K-State after four successful years to take the Creighton job...
http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=204936844
 
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