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More players named by FBI as having received payoffs including Wichita State and Creighton players

tornado said:
plus- if someone in NCAA handed over damning info to FBI, then NCAA would risk being exposed as knowing about serious, even illegal violations and choosing NOT to pursue them - thus effectively being an accomplice to criminal actions.
NCCA's best move is to sit tight, pretend they know nothing about any of this and let the feds finish up - then NCAA will be able to claim the sleaze is all cleaned up and we can move forward.
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I guess that is wishful thinking but one can only hope that they will do the right thing
 
I got a question....

if Fred Van Vleet (2012-2016) and Landry Shamet (2015-2018 ) were both paid either before they got to Wichita or while the were playing there -
then that would mean they were ineligible as professionals and it would quite possibly void every win Wichita has accumulated in that span (2012-2018 )

That would be 177 wins vacated & wiped off the record books for playing athletes that were ineligible due to professionalism...

If Wichita was still in the MVC you know NCAA would do this in a heartbeat...but it will be interesting to see if they come down hard now that Wichita is in among the big boys....
 
I thought the same thing about Creighton and Greg McDermott. His name has come up in this FBI recruiting scandal multiple times for dealing with the corrupt pay-for-play middlemen who brokered players to colleges in return for cash. I have to think that if Creighton was still in the MVC, the NCAA would probably already be writing up major violations. But now that they are Big East, don't look for the NCAA to get involved or say a thing
 
now, in the midst of all these reports about Kansas steering adidas payments in exchange for players being routed to Kansas - specifically Silvio de Souza
.... Kansas is really working overtime to stonewall and hide public information on all the money they hauled in from adidas....at least $1.5 million!!!
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/...-public-15m-adidas-paymen/?platform=hootsuite

The $1.5 million is described as "extra royalty payments" above and beyond what the contracts called for from adidas - so you know if adidas is lining Kansas' pockets with $1.5 million for no clear reason other than just to be generous...that something is going on and the fact that they are lying to hide it is very suspicious
Self needs to go...
 
Most experts expect Kentucky to be extremely good this season. They are picked #2 in the preseason AP poll, behind Kansas, and far ahead of the #3 team. They got quite a few 1st place votes.-
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

A lot of experts are picking them to win the 2019 NCAA Championship.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1059828033908019200

And Kentucky is the betting favorite to win the 2019 NCAA Championship-
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/k...nament-8-sec-teams-mentioned-in-updated-odds/
https://247sports.com/college/kentu...-to-win-2019-national-championship-124312809/
 
I will be interested to see that..
I think they get hammered in their first game...
They struggled at times against a D-II exhibition opponent unless they had all their starters in
 
FBI has released a key piece of evidence to the NCAA from one of the convicted fraudsters, Christian Dawkins. It is an email outlining a detailed business plan that names names and details arrangements for cash payments to specifically named schools and players. The FBI has also given the NCAA their approval to move ahead with an investigation of their own regarding rules violations that the FBI uncovered in the first of three federal criminal trials involving pay-for-play schemes and other corruption in college basketball.

Evidence and testimony was already presented at the first trial that rules violations involving coaches and players at Arizona, Creighton, Kansas, Louisville, LSU, NC State, Oklahoma State, Oregon and other programs occurred, but there were reports that dozens of other schools may also have been involved.

In this latest piece of email evidence, Dawkins detailed payment plans for players at Alabama, Arizona, Cincinnati, Kentucky, Louisville, LSU, Miami, Mississippi State, Oregon, USC and Xavier.

In the email, Dawkins advised his partners that he had deals in place with three players who had recently turned pro -- Clemson's Jaron Blossomgame, Creighton's Justin Patton and Xavier's Edmond Sumner.

Dawkins also listed 19 college or high school kids he had made deals with. Among them were Alabama's Collin Sexton, Mississippi State's Lamar Peters, Oregon's Troy Brown Jr., Arizona's Rawle Alkins, Cincinnati's Jacob Evans, Louisville's Ray Spalding and V.J. King, Miami's Dewan Huell (now Hernandez), LSU's Brandon Sampson, USC's De'Anthony Melton, Xavier's Trevon Bluiett and Kentucky's Jarred Vanderbilt.

Also discussed as receiving payments were high school players Darius Bazley (a top rated 2019 recruit), James Wiseman (the #1 rated 2019 prospect), Ashton Hagans (a 2018 kid now at Kentucky), and 2020 recruits R.J. Hampton of Little Elm, Texas, and Jalen Suggs of Minneapolis.

The evidence in the email is pretty specific and detailed regarding how money was to be paid, and a specific business plan about how to develop relationships with the players and middlemen, grow the number of kids and schools they were dealing with, and deliver the money.

And this is just in one single email from Dawkins to a business partner. The FBI has a huge amount of other evidence including emails, text messages, and wiretap recordings.

Much more here-
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...te-schools-college-basketball-corruption-case
 
Hopefully the IRS will visit all these kids and collect their taxes on the payoffs these kids received...:badgrin:
 
AZ BU Fan said:
Hopefully the IRS will visit all these kids and collect their taxes on the payoffs these kids received...:badgrin:
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I hope you are right. Taxes should be collected. If not, each of us will get stuck paying the rest. Even if the IRS went after these kids or parents or who ever received the ill-gotten gains, the money has probably been spent with no regard to withholding.

Any money that you come by without working for it is bad money, except in an inheritance situation.
 
Interesting comments in new ESPN article
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ch-mark-says-ncaa-lacks-urgency-investigation

-that NCAA needs to move faster and nail the cheaters instead of waiting for another year or two as NCAA head Mark Emmert says is necessary
"Emmert needs to step up and be a leader and make some quicker decisions."
-that the winners of the NCAA Championship 2 of the last 3 years are clean programs...meaning he is definitely saying one of them is not - UNC
 
HUGE punishment handed donw to Kansas big man Silvio De Sousa whose family took money from agents & boosters to land at Kansas...

He is banned from playing this year and ALL OF NEXT YEAR - so he will leave school & turn pro.

Obviously NCAA is going overboard trying to clean up their image and finally act like they care about corruption -
something they've never done before, especially when it involves a school like Kansas

Per NCAA:
"According to the facts provided for purposes of the reinstatement request, De Sousa's guardian
received payment of $2,500 from an agent and booster of the school," the NCAA claims.
"He agreed to accept additional payment of $20,000 from the same individual and an Adidas
employee for securing De Sousa's enrollment at Kansas."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...ated-harshest/

The same agent was also caught on wiretap trying to peddle ZION WILLIAMSON to Kansas .... but he landed at Duke, hmmm...


Two other players have also been disciplined in this whole FBI/pay-for-play scandal...
Brian Bowen was given at least a 1-year penalty but chose to go play pro instead
..and just last week Miami's Dewab Hernandez was given a 1.5 year suspension...
...so NCAA is definitly trying to clean up its legacy of allowing cheating and cheaters
 
So they sanctioned 3 guys that everyone knew the schools cheated and paid money for based on solid evidence that the FBI uncovered, not the NCAA. This seems a lot more like virtue signalling than cleaning up their act.
 
Da Coach said:
So they sanctioned 3 guys ....
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one of whom had already sanctioned himself by going overseas to play pro
..but they really ought to sanction, suspend or fine the coaches who clearly knew or should have known this was going on..
In Bill Self's case he KNEW about it since those facts were made public last summer but kept appealing to get the kid eligible to play - he should be fined
 
The NCAA investigation is finally underway - after waiting for the FBI to finish doing their digging..
schools they are reportedly looking into are...
Arizona - hints that Arizona could consider firing the coach with the #1 recruiting class in all of college basketball
Kansas
Louisville
USC
N.C. State
Oregon
LSU
Creighton
DePaul
Oklahoma State
South Carolina
Auburn and "others"
https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-inves...iller-faces-complicated-future-234415126.html
 
I cannot believe this NCAA version of investigation is serious. IMO, it is a sham and will not lead to any substantial findings (beyond what the FBI has already found) nor will they implement any serious sanctions. They have known about the cheating for many years and have always steered away from investigating any of the big boys. Yet they will unleash the harshest punishment to small schools for far less serious infractions. Just look at the massive academic fraud at North Carolina that essentially went unpunished. And serious violations at USC, Kansas, Kentucky, Auburn, and many other schools has come and gone with minimal punishment. And even the token NCAA punishment to Louisville should have been far more punitive. Pitino and company were paying kids 6-figures under the table while Louisville was still on probation for their hooker/stripper recruiting scandal. SMU football got the death penalty in the past for less serious violations. I believe that if the Board and administration at Louisville hadn't fired Pitino, the NCAA probably would not have punished him at all. So why should we expect this be any different?
 
I am not at all surprised but - now we have even more evidence in this whole FBI investigation that Nike was also paying players...
(and probably Under Armour, too) -- so far only adidas has been implicated..
This kinda hints that the FBI or NCAA may go after Nike & UA as well...

Adidas consultant Merl Code Jr. said this at his sentencing hearing, apparently thinking it will help his case...
"Code, who worked for 14 years at industry leader Nike before moving to Adidas,
said his former employer was in the business of brokering deals between basketball programs
and recruits. “Nike schools pay too,” Code said in a conversation recorded by federal investigators
on June 20, 2017. In the same conversation, Code names several of the most prominent programs
in the country that are outfitted by Nike.

“It’s a corrupt space as it is and cheating is cheating,” Code is quoted as saying in the transcript.
“Whether I give you a dollar, 100,000, or I get your mom and dad jobs, it’s cheating. … So in some form or fashion,
Duke, North Carolina, Syracuse, Kentucky and all of the schools are doing something to help get kids.
That’s just a part of the space.”
https://sports.yahoo.com/nike-school...212410675.html
 
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