• Welcome to BradleyFans.com! Visitors are welcome, but we encourage you to sign up and register as a member. It's free and takes only a few seconds. Just click on the link to Register at the top right of the page, and follow instructions. If you have any problems or questions, click on the link at the bottom right of the page to Contact Us.

MVC Player of the Year?

bigdaddystuck said:
Clearly SM has had a very good MVC season. But voters do and are going to look at how his team is doing and I just don't think he will win it. I am not saying he isn't worthy, just don't see it going to a guy from a 4-6th place team.
Click to expand...

Unfortunately, I think that's the case. Though I'm glad we can make a case for having him!

I wouldn't be surprised to see it be Hannah or Murry from WSU. I think Dinma (assuming they end in 3rd) could make a case, too. Don't be surprised... seems like Dinma has shined quite a bit lately. Haven't Dinma and Sammy won the last 4 POWs??
 
Individual awards are wonderful to have. They say a lot about a season of consistent production.

However, the team is what is most important.

I would agree that Sam has done a wonderful job for most of the year. However, I think you have to look at Bradley overall and realize that their team record will be a factor in the voting.
 
While I think that Sammy's efforts have been courageous this season, I don't think he has earned the Player of the Year honors.

Keep in mind that the Player of the Year award goes to the best player in the Valley for the entire season, not just the MVC season. Plus, you could argue that Sammy's numbers are inflated because he plays on a bad team. If we were to run the table and end up with 11 Valley wins we still aren't in the picture for 20 regular season wins. I know he may have been injured but he did play on a team that wasn't in position for an NCAA bid after the non-con.

I think there are three logical choices, and agree you have to look outside the numbers a bit and look at the Value to a good team: Egelseder, Koch, and Hannah are the only logical choices in my mind.
 
I just checked something on Osiris Eldridge...feel free to check yourself...
since the ISU site has a game-line play-by-play for every one of their games, I thought I'd check how often Osiris helps his team down the stretch...
I counted all of his shots and scoring in the final 3 minutes of every Valley game...

What I found is quite interesting...
If you're a gamer, a POY candidate, then you want the ball in your hands and you help your team by hitting baskets down the stretch, right.....

Well, in 15 MVC games thus far (and I included their one OT period), Osiris Edridge has made only 4 baskets in the final 3 minutes of games & OT's...
only 4!...and if you expand that search to the final FOUR minutes, then the number jumps all the way to 5 baskets in the final four minutes of Valley games & OT periods..... (he had one bucket recently at the 3:58 mark).
This is where he should shine and be making buckets, instead his shooting pct in the final minutes of games is abysmal...plus there are turnovers, fouls, etc...

PLUS...of the four baskets in the final 3 minutes...three of them came in one game...a bad loss at Drake when ISU trailed at half 35-15!
The game at Drake was where OE was scoreless in the first half then launched a bunch of shots in a losing effort in the 2nd half...(they still lost by 10 and the game was never really that close.)
Those 3 buckets in the final 3 minutes of that game were meaningless, as they were just to pad O's stats, and he was launching against Drakes subs.


The one and only decent 2nd half or late game performance came in a blowout loss...and the only other basket inside the final 3 minutes of any Valley game was when he lauched 5 times in the overtime period at SIU and made only one of them helping his team to the loss down at Carbondale...
(finishing the game 5-21, while his counterparts Dillard, Freeman, & Bocot went off for 44 pts.)

I can't find any examples where OE helped win a game in the late minutes. Has there ever been such a game?
 
How many rebounds, assists, steals, or deflections did he have in the final minutes of those games?

Also, how many of ISU's games were under 10 points at the end?


Those might be things to look for.
 
so you think the guys who vote on POY check the guy's deflections?? :roll:
but if you want the answer....just check for yourself....or read this more expanded version of my opinion...
http://bubravesblogger.blogspot.com/2010/02/who-will-be-mvc-player-of-year.html

Eldridge's performances in the final minutes of several recent games has been so bad that the Pantagraph reporter has commented on it and even Jankovich has yanked Eldridge out of close games down the streatch and subbed in someone else...
read it and weep......

"He isn’t helping the team and is randomly jacking up shots...
Eldridge is mired in a horrendous shooting slump and yes, he does launch some ill-advised shots...Jankovich has taken him out of some recent games after putting up 25-footers."

also..
" Why doesn’t Jankovich just bench Osiris Eldridge? He isn’t helping the team and is randomly jacking up shots.
...ISU is going to need Eldridge to snap out of his offensive funk down the stretch"
http://www.pantagraph.com/app/blogs/main/?p=4779
 
Eglseder out as a candidate because of suspension, Odiakosa in as of now, S.M. real close but needs 3 more good games.
 
those weren't my words...
many such comments are coming from their own beat reporters and even their own fans...

Basically they are saying he is "hurting their team"...
so I ask how can a guy who's being removed from games because he's hurting their team POSSIBLY
be considered a candidate for the Player of the Year??

and as I said, check the play-by-play for yourself, OE has a lot of late game turnovers, fouls, and basically nothing but bad shots and plenty of misses...I didn't see many screens, deflections, or rebounds mentioned anywhere...
those are qualities of unselfish players and we're not seeing or hearing too many observers use those terms with OE.
 
When is the last time a player received POY from a 4th, 5th, or 6th place team (even 2nd or 3rd for that matter)? I honestly do not have the answer, but I figured someone would have it handy... maybe even going back the last 20 years, how many times has is happened?

Whenever the last time was, I have a feeling that that particular player blew EVERYONE else out of the water in one or several MAJOR statistics.

Regardless of how anyone wants to read into it, POY is also a TEAM award. Its like a players on a terrible team winning the MVP (it happens rarely and when it does, that player simply DOMINATES).

maniscalco might be deserving of 1st team MVC, but no way he gets POY on a .500(ish) team, finishing in the middle(ish) of the pack, without dominating any one MAJOR stat. he is not even in the top 3 in any ONE of the major stats (I am looking at MVC only stats here). The closest is #4 in scoring.
 
One more thing I forgot to add- Who was guarding maniscalco at the end of the ISU win at bu??? o yes... it was Osiris... and I am pretty sure sammy didn't hit the rim on any of those "last second, game winning" attempts :lol:
 
I'll give credit to OE for good defense at the end of the BU-ISU game, but why has has he not been playing good defense in the rest of ISU's games? In every ISU game I've seen, his defense this season has been lousy.

BTW, King-O scored only 7 points on 3-12 shooting in that game, with 1 rebound.
 
Da Coach said:
I'll give credit to OE for good defense at the end of the BU-ISU game, but why has has he not been playing good defense in the rest of ISU's games? In every ISU game I've seen, his defense this season has been lousy.
Click to expand...
Thanks for giving him props for that Da Coach. If you listen to Tornado, OE wouldn't even start for Bradley, much less play much.

Was OE's defense lousy when we played you guys in Normal too? Andrew Warren (3-12 FG) would probably differ with your opinion on his defense that day.

BTW, King-O scored only 7 points on 3-12 shooting in that game, with 1 rebound.
Click to expand...

Pretty impressive we were able to get out of Peoria with a W. Luckily others (Dinma 12 and 15, Hill 14 and 4, and Jackie C 12 and 7) stepped up.
 
I was at that game in Normal, and I was not impressed with OEs defense. Andrew missed a bunch of open shots, but if you want to claim that was because of OE, go ahead. How was his defense on Harry Marshall in Terre Haute and in other games? It seemed he played at least 10 feet off Marshall that whole game, yet still managed to foul out while allowing Marshall one of the best games of his career.

Are you trying to make the case that OE's defense has been stellar this season? Because it seems even many ISU fans aren't buying it.
 
defying the king is blasphemous and treason....i just thought i would point that out.

i wonder what the percentage of preseason POY's actually become the POY?
 
The POY has gone to a player on either the regular season Champion or Tourney Champion every year back to 2001, when Tarise Bryson won if when Indiana State was the regular season champion and Tourney Champ.

Prior to that it happened a bit more...

2000 - Creighton was the champ, but POY was Nate Green (InSU)
1999 - Crieghton was the champ, but POY was Marcus Wilson (UE)
1997 - ISU was Champ, but POY was Jason Daisy (UNI)
etc...

In the end, I doubt the guys who vote check with the past years to see what pattern to follow, and this year is indeed an odd year, where the best team may struggle now that their best player is out, and he, along with his teammates may not win the POY, so it may indeed go to someone on the teams in the 2-5 positions since they are all so closely packed.



cpacmel said:
If you listen to Tornado, OE wouldn't even start for Bradley...
Click to expand...
of course I have neither said that nor hinted that, and have offered essentially well researched facts and stats....not just biased insults as some are prone to..
 
Da Coach said:
I was at that game in Normal, and I was not impressed with OEs defense. Andrew missed a bunch of open shots, but if you want to claim that was because of OE, go ahead.
Click to expand...

I was at the game too. Funny how 2 people can view the same event and come up with 2 different views of it.

How was his defense on Harry Marshall in Terre Haute and in other games? It seemed he played at least 10 feet off Marshall that whole game, yet still managed to foul out while allowing Marshall one of the best games of his career.
Click to expand...

Well Marshall was 1-3 from the FG in the first half. He ended with 18 points. He was 10 of 11 from the foul line. He didn't hit a single trey the entire game.

How was that one of his best games of his career? He had 29 points against Wichita State earlier in the season and 21 points on 2 other occasions.
Are you trying to make the case that OE's defense has been stellar this season? Because it seems even many ISU fans aren't buying it.
Click to expand...

IMO, It's been good, at times great this season.

ISU fans have also been ripping Lloyd Phillips for the last 1.5 years. All he has done is produce big time as well.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top