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NCAA suspends Ohio State football players

dogsrus said:
Not spinning anything just giving my opinon.
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That's fine, I am entitled to my opinion, too, and it's pretty clear the NCAA treated these 2 cases quite differently.

Here are the facts-
Bradley did receive an institutional penalty by the NCAA even though the infraction was inadvertant, and nobody at Bradley, including the players, intentionally broke the rules.

Ohio State did not receive an institutional penalty, even though their players did break rules knowingly.

Bradley's players were suspended immediately.

Ohio State's players received a suspension, but it was delayed so it would not affect their team's outcome this season.

And if it your opinion that probation does not hurt a school, then I disagree, and so do most coaches. I have spoken to Division I coaches, and they tell me being on probation is a huge recruiting advantage for a school's opponents, and greatly harms a school's recruiting.

BTW- can anyone recall any previous case involving a case of illegal improper benefits where the NCAA "delayed" their penalty to allow a school to finish out their season and not have the penalty affect them? I can't.
 
Another thread about NCAA looking the other way on major college player and university infractions, and, the disparate treatment of major vs minor universities...YAWN....

Wait, wait, here is the other shoe dropping...how the NCAA has punished BU and its players more than the major schools/conferences and their players...

Every post about NCAA infractions/punishment inevitably comes around to how BU has been unfairly treated by the NCAA in the past...

If you are really frustrated/irate over the inconsistency in NCAA infraction punishment and how BU was screwed, tell it to the NCAA:

The National Collegiate Athletic Association
700 W. Washington Street
P.O. Box 6222
Indianapolis, Indiana 46206-6222

Phone: 317/917-6222
Fax: 317/917-6888


What I find interesting is how ANY of the NCAA MBB players afford the uber expensive tatoos that cover their bodies? Where is the money coming from to pay for these, or how are they affordable, without some sort of NCAA infraction?

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Tatoo-gate?
 
I don't think the NCAA cares or has ever cared what kids do with their money. Tattoos aren't the first thing college athletes have ever spent their money on, there have always been expensive items that athletes seem to flaunt. If anyone thinks they are getting their tattoos for free, for a discount, or by trading autographed memorabilia, then the NCAA has a problem with it. But kids have never been required to show receipts for things they purchase.
 
I, along with a few other people have repeatedly made my feelings known about the NCAA's biased and unfair treatment...and guess what...
finally a few others who are writing a bit more high profile and seen and caught on...
and lo and behold, it's been the bloggers, internet writers, and guys at Yahoo & Rivals that have called NCAA into account and embarrassed them by showing their bias...and suddenly they are finally penalizing (albeit softly) some of the big violators like USC, Indiana, etc...
 
Da Coach said:
That's fine, I am entitled to my opinion, too, and it's pretty clear the NCAA treated these 2 cases quite differently.

Here are the facts-
Bradley did receive an institutional penalty by the NCAA even though the infraction was inadvertant, and nobody at Bradley, including the players, intentionally broke the rules.

Ohio State did not receive an institutional penalty, even though their players did break rules knowingly.

Bradley's players were suspended immediately.

Ohio State's players received a suspension, but it was delayed so it would not affect their team's outcome this season.

And if it your opinion that probation does not hurt a school, then I disagree, and so do most coaches. I have spoken to Division I coaches, and they tell me being on probation is a huge recruiting advantage for a school's opponents, and greatly harms a school's recruiting.

BTW- can anyone recall any previous case involving a case of illegal improper benefits where the NCAA "delayed" their penalty to allow a school to finish out their season and not have the penalty affect them? I can't.
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I have spoke with coaches also and they say probation is nothing IF the school cleans up their act...exactly what probation is meant to do...so thats a wash.

I agree BU players didn't set out to break rules but I'm sorry...anyone that gets a paycheck one week for $200.00 for TEN hours of work then $400.00 for the same ten hours the NEXT week knows they were getting money for nothing and should have spoke up. I agree...BU players didn't set out to get money for nothing and the OSU players most likely understood selling stuff for profit was agaisnt the rules but BU, as an institiution set these guys up in these jobs and therefore assumes the responsibility of whatever happens from that day forward. THATS why BU got the institutional probation. period.

And not suspending OSU players doesn't hurt OSU. They still get the 8 million to share with the Big Ten wether those players play or not in the bowl games. Now, as I have stated...losing Pryor and co. for 5 games NEXT year deystroys OSU in 2011.

I do agree and think OSU should have got some probation to show they would educate players that selling stuff was illegal and will admit that its a copout if a player says he didn't realize it was againt NCAA rules to profit from such acts.
 
dogsrus said:
... THATS why BU got the institutional probation. period....
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hmmm..then I wonder what explains why the two U of I basketball players who also worked at Star and who also were paid the same way (as proven even by the NCAA report),
never even got investigated nor penalized at all, despite that the owner of Star is and has been an enormous U of I booster and season ticket holder?

Nope -- anyone who actually knows the facts of the case cannot help but come to the conclusion that Bradley was treated far differently than MOST any other school would have been treated.

Note this statement FROM NCAA detailing how BU's relationship with Star had been "proper", and "constructive", and exemplary for "well over a decade",
and that BU was fully cooperative, and that the whole thing was "inadvertent", and an "honest mistake" that was "understandable"...
(those were all NCAA's OWN words!!)

and that all the decisions made that led to the error were "arbitrarily made by a STAR supervisor, and without the knowledge of their ownership or Bradley".

Also -- other statements...
"This is not a case of anyone acting in an unethical manner"
"We are left to wonder how these young men can be given such a severe penalty for an honest mistake made by another well-intended individual. This was an inadvertent benefit with no fraudulent behavior on the part of these student-athletes."

http://www.bradleybraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=19329&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=217362
http://www.bradleybraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=19329&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=217156


Only much, much later, (In May, 2006) AFTER BRADLEY WENT ON TO WHIP KANSAS & PITT, did the NCAA come back and whallop Bradley with the institutional penalty -- almost as if this was a re-thought when BU did so well in the Sweet Sixteen!!!
PLUS -- this further release again highlights the "INADVERTENT" nature of this incident.
(the Ohio State violations were flagrant, intentional, greedy, organized, plaotted, and premeditated..while the BU incident was "inadvertent" and "honest"!)
http://www.bradleybraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=284567&SPID=1510&SPSID=19447

BTW -- this release by the NCAA clearly states...
"The release also stated that a minimum two-year probation is the “presumptive” penalty for a similar violation"
......oh really?? That is unless it's Ohio State, UConn, or Kansas...right??
So where is the justice??
 
Bradley provided these players with jobs and its thier responsibility to make sure they did the work they got paid for....they failed to monitor that and the NCAA said do that from now on and nothing more will come of this. Probation. The players got a few games suspension as they should have reported it.

I don't see that as being "whalloped"...sounds quite fair to me.

In the end it made BU a better program as they revamped the compliance dept. to make sure these inadvertent benefits didn't happen again.
 
and Ohio State, UConn, Kansas State, etc...all WERE monitoring??
and Auburn and their star were held NOT to be responsible for negotiating a $180,000 payoff from agents, and the Ohio State guys were given a pass because they were NOT fully informed of rules (yet OSU was not penalized for not doing it)
Remember -- even the NCAA stated plainly that the change in pay at Star was NOT even known to the owner of the company, yet you say BU should have been watching it and known of it!

if the NCAA held every school to the standards of "monitoring" that you impose upon Bradley, then not only would we drop the unemployment rate by a full 5%, we'd finally level the playing field and allow smaller schools to compete with the bigger perennial cheaters


BTW -- Ohio State's own AD blames his own "Compliance Department" and says flatly that they "..falling down on the job"
...so why doesn't NCAA penalize their compliance department??
Meanwhile, our AD's office and compliance department was PRAISED by the NCAA as...
"all individuals associated with STAR Transport and Bradley University have been extremely cooperative and accessible in regards to the investigation."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/c...not_bowled_over_by_buckeye_spin.html?r=sports

the bias is clear and all but a few staunch BCS supporters and NCAA big wigs now admit it...
 
"And not suspending OSU players doesn't hurt OSU. They still get the 8 million to share with the Big Ten wether those players play or not in the bowl games. Now, as I have stated...losing Pryor and co. for 5 games NEXT year deystroys OSU in 2011.

I do agree and think OSU should have got some probation to show they would educate players that selling stuff was illegal and will admit that its a copout if a player says he didn't realize it was againt NCAA rules to profit from such acts."

Diveriting the penalty until 2011 in theory will hurt OSU. But in reality assessing the penalty to the bowl game would both hurt OSU right now, hurt ESPN right now and hurt the adverisers right now.

By administering penalties next season it allows some of the players to not be penalized at all... ie Pryor can just simply declare for the NFL and I am guessing also avoid paying the fine.

OSU plays to start next season:

home to Akron
home to Toledo
@ Miami
home to Colorado
home to Michigan State

Anyway, if what the NCAA is saying that the players were not "educated properly" about not selling their personal items for other items is true... two things why are these improperly educated athletes being punished at all? and if it is the institution who was negligent in properly educating the student athlete why isnt it the institution being punished?

The NCAA is punishing the student/athlete for an issue that the institution didnt properly educate the student/athlete.

Anyway Dogs, this whole things is about money/ESPN... no one cares about the first two games in 2011 and I am betting after an appeal the "punished" student/athletes end up on the field in Miami on Sept 17th... I have to guess that one will "magically" appear on ESPN/ABC.
 
How The NCAA treats schools differently is no different then most of societal institutional norms. The more powerful, economically advantage get better treatment. What is there to argue? It has always been this way and unless there is a cultural change, nothing will change. Let's face it the NCAA has little leverage over the big boys and enjoy the economic might they bring.

Dogrus, do you really believe that The NCAA did not treat BU differently then if we were one of their big BCS boys? I believe it is a fact but I also belive we are beating a dead horse on this. There's very little that we can do unless one of us can dictate how The NCAA and the Universities receive their revenue.
 
but it's the phony pretense of fairness and equality for all NCAA members that they brag about that irks me...
if they're going to be so blatantly unfair and biased, then just save the money & don't even bother to send a field investigator unless she needs a husband...
 
SFP said:
How The NCAA treats schools differently is no different then most of societal institutional norms. The more powerful, economically advantage get better treatment. What is there to argue? It has always been this way and unless there is a cultural change, nothing will change. Let's face it the NCAA has little leverage over the big boys and enjoy the economic might they bring.

Dogrus, do you really believe that The NCAA did not treat BU differently then if we were one of their big BCS boys? I believe it is a fact but I also belive we are beating a dead horse on this. There's very little that we can do unless one of us can dictate how The NCAA and the Universities receive their revenue.
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The NCAA was VERY fair in the POB/Star incident. 5 game and probation was not harsh. Thats all I know.

Not close enough to what happens elsewhere to determine if they get preferential treatment.

And you are correct....I don't 'worry" about stuff I have NO control over. You can blog and whine (not you) all you want but it is what it is.
 
Here's the NCAA's OWN advisory panel recommending 2 years ago for MORE severe penalties....
and one of those recommendations was this...
"Clarified penalties for repeat offenders.... The "death penalty" -- a program-crippling blow ..
Repeat violators are defined as schools that run afoul of the NCAA more than once every five years."
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5954489&campaign=rss&source=NCAAHeadlines

Hmmm....let's see -- Ohio State was found to have MAJOR violations and sanctioned in March of 2006!
(definitely WAY less than five years ago!!)
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncb&id=2362527

SO -- by NCAA's own definition, Ohio State is guilty of being a repeat violator and should be dealt with very strictly!
Their own panel even mentions the "death penalty"!!!

Ha, ha....yeah...wake me up if they ever get anything more serious than a slap..
if you recall, the extra severe penalty given to Bradley in 2006 actually had the gall to mention Bradley's history in 1986!...so why not recall Ohio State's major violations in 2006?
 
I heard some very interesting commentary about this on the 670 the score and it makes complete sense. Universities make tons of money off of these players by using their names and likeness. They also make them play these games over the holidays keeping them away from their families all so that the Universities can make a buck, yet the NCAA is going to suspend players for trading autographs. Kind of ridiculous no matter what the level of play in college athletics.

I can't make up my mind whether or not I think the NCAA should just be done with it and let Universities pay players. On one hand, it would be the end to this garbage. On the other hand, it could be very damaging competition wise, especially for mids.
 
Ah ha -- all those who had suspicions the NCAA was playing favorites because it was important to make sure these top players were NOT suspended but would play in the bowl game...
you guys were clearly right...
truth comes out...
Ohio State, the Big Ten, and even the Sugar Bowl CEO clearly lobbied the NCAA
to go easy and make sure they play in the Sugar Bowl..

"Sugar Bowl CEO Paul Hoolahan had blown that out of the water when he
confirmed everyone’s suspicions and said that not only did he lobby hard for
Pryor and the others to get a reprieve but also that the powers that be
listened to him.

“I made the point that anything that could be done to preserve the integrity
of this year’s (Suga Bowl) game, we would greatly appreciate it,” Hoolahan told the
Columbus Dispatch. “That appeal did not fall on deaf ears.”
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-pryor010311


and even more...one of the Ohio State players, Terrell Pryor, has been caught using freebies many times before yet the NCAA and Ohio State ignored it and looked the other way...
"Pryor had been pulled over by police three times in the last three years driving “loaner” cars from a local used car dealer.."
 
"Pryor had been pulled over by police three times in the last three years driving “loaner” cars from a local used car dealer.."
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You have to watch those car dealers;).......maybe the Escalade was in for service:)
 
TheGuy said:
I heard some very interesting commentary about this on the 670 the score and it makes complete sense. Universities make tons of money off of these players by using their names and likeness. They also make them play these games over the holidays keeping them away from their families all so that the Universities can make a buck, yet the NCAA is going to suspend players for trading autographs. Kind of ridiculous no matter what the level of play in college athletics.

I can't make up my mind whether or not I think the NCAA should just be done with it and let Universities pay players. On one hand, it would be the end to this garbage. On the other hand, it could be very damaging competition wise, especially for mids.
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These guys get a free education which is worth thousands of dollars, I would say they already are getting paid plus if you give them $200.00 a week who"s to say they don"t get another $100.00 under the table, the cheating would get a lot worse.
 
real fan said:
These guys get a free education which is worth thousands of dollars, I would say they already are getting paid plus if you give them $200.00 a week who"s to say they don"t get another $100.00 under the table, the cheating would get a lot worse.
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The cheating has gotten to the point it isnt cheating because its completely commonplace and comical. The NCAA has zero credibilty and control and something as blatant as Pryor is becoming so common that I think most are numb to it.

NCAA football and the NCAA need a divorce because what the NCAA brings to the table is worthless.

The only thing the NCAA brings is the comedy relief of trying to actually appear as relavant.
 
the latest news on the Ohio State NCAA violations, impermissible benefits, and cheating....

Ohio State football Head Coach Jim Tressel has now been proven and admits to knowing all about the illegal sales and benefits and he knew his team was cheating and kept quiet -- never doing a thing about it..
He clearly knew all about it almost a year in advance and helped keep it quiet so the players could go on cheating and making a mockery of the NCAA rules...

this is the definition of loss of institutional control..where the institution and those who represent it have lost control or are actually part of and involved in the cheating...
and yet....

did you see the "self imposed penalty" Ohio State gave Tressel???

a fine ...and he sits out two non-conference cupcake games next year that everyone knows Ohio State will win ...
http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-b...to-get-fired/?cxntfid=blogs_mark_bradley_blog
 
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