BradleyBrave
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Maniscalco's out of your rotation? He's the only guy that showed up yesterday.
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New starting line-up
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Maniscalco's out of your rotation? He's the only guy that showed up yesterday.
For now, Salley and Crouch should be out. JL should be sending a message: This is your senior year, and it's been on you to carry this team to new heights. You haven't done it, and if you're not going to carry this team in YOUR year, then I'm going to start looking toward the future. We're gonna get some minutes for guys who need the experience when THEIR senior years roll around.
Give us a break, t...
All of us 'non-insiders' were sitting at home/work all summer with absolutely ZERO first-hand access to the super-secret BU practices that were going on, and had no way to make our own objective assessments of all of these newcomers...but yet we were supposed to somehow be "smart" and "think for ourselves" and draw our own conclusions about how this team and these new players were going to be? How exactly were we supposed to do that?
"We"...(the alleged uninformed, lemming faction on this message board...as you have so kindly labeled us...) were told by Les that this was the most talented team he's ever had here...we were told by Snell over and over again how Matt Salley was dominating in practices...how it was staggering how much talent this team had...it was a special team, an NCAA team...blah blah blah...The Valley coaches picked us 2nd in the preseason poll...Van Coleman and a handful of other people that get paid to evaluate talent told us this was a quality group of new recruits...We were told over and over again by the special 'connected' posters on this board...(who did have the luxury of having access to watch this team practice) how Matt Salley was a dominating force in practice...how Egolf was the best outside shooter we had...how he was a Dirk Nowitzki clone
...how David Collins was P O'B...TCS was WF with much more athleticism...how we were 11 deep...how Les was going to have problems getting minutes for all of these uber-talented players...and so on and so on...And yet, you are going to tell "us" that it is our fault for having high expectations for this year's team? That we should instead have all 'thought for ourselves' and assumed that Les, Snell, the Valley coaches, Van Coleman, and all of those that had direct access to see these players practice were selling us a red kool aid laced bill of goods?
Whatever. I feel duped after watching this team now for 13 games. For anyone to say this current team is more talented than the Sweet 16 team is utterly laughable....and insulting. Hence, my feeling of being duped.
Completely agree with you, BB...Maniscalco absolutely has to be the point guard with Ruffin out. He was the only guy that played a solid game against UNI.
Cole-Scott could not run the point for this team. That would be a complete disaster.
I can think of a multitude of reasons:
For starters, Singh logs the least % of the teams available minutes at 16.4%
Despite that:
-has teams highest offensive efficiency rating at 115.7
-accounts for 10.8% of the teams offensive rebounds (3rd)
-accounts for 21.4% of the teams defensive rebounds (2nd to Collins)
-only Theron Wilson (90th best in the country at 65.3 per 100 touches) is more likely to draw fouls than Singh (57.1 per 100 touches), 3rd is Collins at a rate of 10 less. Singh is also a decent FT shooter.
Give us a break, t...
All of us 'non-insiders' were sitting at home/work all summer with absolutely ZERO first-hand access to the super-secret BU practices that were going on, and had no way to make our own objective assessments of all of these newcomers...but yet we were supposed to somehow be "smart" and "think for ourselves" and draw our own conclusions about how this team and these new players were going to be? How exactly were we supposed to do that?
"We"...(the alleged uninformed, lemming faction on this message board...as you have so kindly labeled us...) were told by Les that this was the most talented team he's ever had here...we were told by Snell over and over again how Matt Salley was dominating in practices...how it was staggering how much talent this team had...it was a special team, an NCAA team...blah blah blah...The Valley coaches picked us 2nd in the preseason poll...Van Coleman and a handful of other people that get paid to evaluate talent told us this was a quality group of new recruits...We were told over and over again by the special 'connected' posters on this board...(who did have the luxury of having access to watch this team practice) how Matt Salley was a dominating force in practice...how Egolf was the best outside shooter we had...how he was a Dirk Nowitzki clone
And yet, you are going to tell "us" that it is our fault for having high expectations for this year's team? That we should instead have all 'thought for ourselves' and assumed that Les, Snell, the Valley coaches, Van Coleman, and all of those that had direct access to see these players practice were selling us a red kool aid laced bill of goods?
Whatever. I feel duped after watching this team now for 13 games. For anyone to say this current team is more talented than the Sweet 16 team is utterly laughable....and insulting. Hence, my feeling of being duped.
I think "duped" would be if I got all this info and plopped down thousands of dollars expecting some return on my investment. This is college hoops....its entertainment.....kind of like going to a movie that some raved about and walking out feeling you didn't get your dollars worth. It happens.
No matter what I am told or who tells me at the start of the year I understand its "fan beware". I don't form my opinon until I actually see the movie or in THIS case watch the team. Were they "over-hyped".....I suppose one could draw that conclusion but 12 games into a class is not really giving them much time to show what they are. Was the sweet 16 team over-hyped when they were sitting at something like 2 games over .500 ? .
I've seen this team play good...in fact real good like the first half against MSU and the 2nd against Vandy and I've seen em play bad. Most recently with their starting "QB" out. It may continue to be bad or they may start to develop....one game is too early to tell IMO.
If you or anyone feels duped I put that on you. If you buy into preseason hype you'll often get burned.
You question Collins, Singh, and Austin, but not Egolf?
While Collins is in fact averaging 12 minutes a game for the season, he is only playing 5 minutes/game over those last three games. Egolf has averaged 9 minutes/game over that same stretch and has no points to show for his time either. It's my personal belief that Egolf is indeed eating up minutes that should be afforded DC.
Squirrel,
These stats that you use to support Singh as a starter are a bit skewed (imo)as Singh has accounted this year for only 86 minutes out of a total of 2,625 possible minutes. 3% of all possible minutes.
Furthermore the rebound efficiencey percentages you site for Singh sound fine, but Singh only has 8 offensive rebounds and 16 defensive rebounds for the year. (24 total rebounds) I would bet that Singh's statistics would decrease if he were to start. All this being said, Singh is a role player who has worked very hard over the off season and certainly deserves more pt.
Agree for the most part shaunguth... Egolf's minutes should be given to either DC or Austin.
patrick_o'brian
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He plays the least percentage of the minutes because he has the least amount of talent. He can't, jump, he can't shoot and he is slow. He sets multiple moving screens ans gets tired too quick. Just an honest assessment.
mrcoachdude
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point -Sam M
2 guard - TCS
Center - Collins
SF - Crouch
pf - Austin
4 out of 5 newbies.......I want three shooters on the floor
Not to slight Salley or SamS or AW...they would get some good PT
2 guard - TCS
Center - Collins
SF - Crouch
pf - Austin
4 out of 5 newbies.......I want three shooters on the floor
Not to slight Salley or SamS or AW...they would get some good PT
Dallas Brave
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I realize this thread is a thread about him starting. I don't necessarily believe he should start, but he definitely warrants more PT.
My data comes from Pomeroy: This is where my information is coming from: http://www.kenpom.com/sr.php?team=Bradley
This is what the rankings mean: http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/individual_stats/
You are right, since these are possessions based numbers, obviously they will go down with an increase in PT, but he certainly can't do worse than some who are playing, and I think he will continue to put up respectable numbers.
His turnovers are a concern, but so it is for everyone else on the team.
And some clarification on the rebounding numbers--it's actually a measure of available rebounds in possessions that they are involved, which actually magnifies his impact.
But we also must remember JL has never emphasized rebounding, and our opponents constantly attack that weakness.
Can't shoot? 50%+ career, 62% this year. . .
75-85% FT shooter
I agree on the screens, turnovers, etc.
But while he may be slow, he is actually agile and presents matchup problems for non-athletic bigs (which the Valley is full of) because he makes up for his deficit in speed with constant motion. That leads to some of those issues. But I'd take it over what we're getting at this point.
You make it sound as though he stole your girlfriend.
BradleyBrave
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Numbers that say one thing, but someone who sees it the other way for some unknown reason. Kinda like someone I know and Greg Maddux...
Numbers that say one thing, but someone who sees it the other way for some unknown reason. Kinda like someone I know and Greg Maddux...
Well, if you must know. . .he stole my candy bar at the airport once.
Maybe so but it's much better than reading the ISU fan moderated other board.
BradleyBrave
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Lakeview Brave
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Give us a break, t...
All of us 'non-insiders' were sitting at home/work all summer with absolutely ZERO first-hand access to the super-secret BU practices that were going on, and had no way to make our own objective assessments of all of these newcomers...but yet we were supposed to somehow be "smart" and "think for ourselves" and draw our own conclusions about how this team and these new players were going to be? How exactly were we supposed to do that?
"We"...(the alleged uninformed, lemming faction on this message board...as you have so kindly labeled us...) were told by Les that this was the most talented team he's ever had here...we were told by Snell over and over again how Matt Salley was dominating in practices...how it was staggering how much talent this team had...it was a special team, an NCAA team...blah blah blah...The Valley coaches picked us 2nd in the preseason poll...Van Coleman and a handful of other people that get paid to evaluate talent told us this was a quality group of new recruits...We were told over and over again by the special 'connected' posters on this board...(who did have the luxury of having access to watch this team practice) how Matt Salley was a dominating force in practice...how Egolf was the best outside shooter we had...how he was a Dirk Nowitzki clone
And yet, you are going to tell "us" that it is our fault for having high expectations for this year's team? That we should instead have all 'thought for ourselves' and assumed that Les, Snell, the Valley coaches, Van Coleman, and all of those that had direct access to see these players practice were selling us a red kool aid laced bill of goods?
Whatever. I feel duped after watching this team now for 13 games. For anyone to say this current team is more talented than the Sweet 16 team is utterly laughable....and insulting. Hence, my feeling of being duped.
Great Post
tornado
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I don't place "fault" but then I don't blame someone else for the conclusions I draw.
I think this team does have a lot of talent, and just a couple weeks ago lots of people were saying so, now
it's all doom and gloom as if we never had any decent talent in the first place.
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Now tell me you are going to blame me for all the opinions in these threads??
I think this team does have a lot of talent, and just a couple weeks ago lots of people were saying so, now
it's all doom and gloom as if we never had any decent talent in the first place.
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http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5968
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Now tell me you are going to blame me for all the opinions in these threads??