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New Wessler piece
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I have to agree here with Out of Balance. No offense to you Tornado, but I can't think of a single person that has been more outspoken about Wessler and the PJ-Star in general than yourself.
And while you don't hate Wessler , when Les used the term "Haters" I think he was referring more to animosity and dislike some display for all things PJ Star.
BTW, the Pantagrah has been brought up as a good example of how a newspaper should cover their hometown team. I can tell you that most people I know wish ISU would get more coverage from the Pantagraph. Which is something I have read is a complaint here as well.
MacabreMob
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That's funny. So the REAL fans... the vast majority... the average fan on the street.... THAT'S the REAL FANS. Not the VERY small minority represented on this board. Ahhh, how things have flipped. Now I'M not a REAL FAN. Cool - now I'm part of THAT group. 8) :lol:
Where did he say real fans?
He said the average fan probably likes to be updated on Bradley and the athletic programs.
WOW...you made quite a jump there.
This is my first post in this thread. Until now, I had decided to let others argue this out. I no longer care what columnists think, and stopped reading the PJ Star a while ago.
But to deny that KW's column was gratuitously negative is ridiculous. It focused almost exclusively on selected negative aspects of the program, and ignored anything positive about Jim Les' tenure as coach (and there is a lot positive). If KW had only examined more carefully the criteria that Dr. Cross himself listed for evaluating coaches, he would have had to acknowledge that Jim Les rated quite highly in most areas. To post a negative column at the start of the season like this, demonstrates a clearly defined anti-JL agenda, IMO. And as Air Petey said, it's a widely known fact.
I challenge anyone trying to defend the writer to show any other columnists in the MVC (or anywhere else) writing negative articles at this time of the season. It just doesn't happen.
And for posters to try to suggest there are fans with some kind of irrational, unwarranted hatred toward the PJS and their writers, then try to attribute all this onto tornado, when he has not even been among the most vocal in this thread, is in itself a bit irrational. Any animosity people have toward the local paper is well deserved. I am still waiting for the first article that actually reports something new about the team, the newcomers, the returning players, or the new coaches. There is a lot new there that fans would like to know more about, but I guess we have to get a few more "coach on the hot seat" type articles before we actually ever see any real reporting.
But to deny that KW's column was gratuitously negative is ridiculous. It focused almost exclusively on selected negative aspects of the program, and ignored anything positive about Jim Les' tenure as coach (and there is a lot positive). If KW had only examined more carefully the criteria that Dr. Cross himself listed for evaluating coaches, he would have had to acknowledge that Jim Les rated quite highly in most areas. To post a negative column at the start of the season like this, demonstrates a clearly defined anti-JL agenda, IMO. And as Air Petey said, it's a widely known fact.
I challenge anyone trying to defend the writer to show any other columnists in the MVC (or anywhere else) writing negative articles at this time of the season. It just doesn't happen.
And for posters to try to suggest there are fans with some kind of irrational, unwarranted hatred toward the PJS and their writers, then try to attribute all this onto tornado, when he has not even been among the most vocal in this thread, is in itself a bit irrational. Any animosity people have toward the local paper is well deserved. I am still waiting for the first article that actually reports something new about the team, the newcomers, the returning players, or the new coaches. There is a lot new there that fans would like to know more about, but I guess we have to get a few more "coach on the hot seat" type articles before we actually ever see any real reporting.
MacabreMob
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We're in the minority so we can't be the REAL FANS. :lol:
I agree with this. I, too, stopped receiving the PJ Star a while ago. Basically, I did not think it provided enough information for the cost.
How or why is it ridiculous? It was an interview with the A.D. Why is that bad?
That is an opinion, not fact.
All of these PJStar articles are less than a month old.
Coverage of the new TV team: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x858298654/Bussone-Kleine-to-call-10-BU-games-on-WTVP
Coverage of the WTVP TV deal: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x1551226158/With-the-Braves-PBS-station-to-telecast-BU-games
Coverage of the new radio team: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x105399636/Adams-joins-Snell-on-BU-radio-broadcasts
Braves boot camp: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x1423340127/Braves-marching-to-new-regimen
Update on recruit: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x191993541/BU-recruit-solid-at-everything
Update on schedule: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x998862549/Its-official-No-regular-season-game-at-new-arena
To be fair..........
I checked over on the BU website as well. They had the same articles about the schedule and TV/Radio changes. They had one additional article on the Hoopla event.
I did not find any "new" articles on new players or coaches on the BU site either.
So are you saying that BUBraves.com is against the Braves too?
AZ BU Fan
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Last I looked KW is a COLUMNIST and not acting as a REPORTER. The difference between the two should be recognized. While reporters should deal with the facts in a story, a columnist has more leeway to also publish their opinions, and is not under some kind of restraint to be impartial. Ref PA in the PJS! :twisted:
The PJS Sports Page is a combination of reporters and columnists. You may choose to agree with KW or disagree with him, chose to label him a hit man or not.
He is just doing his job...getting people to read and comment on his material in the PJS.
Similar to his predecessor at the PJS who ripped Mo and BU unmercifully. Too bad the Forum wasn't around then to villify him and get Mo's back!
MOVE ON:!:
Show me where I used the term "real fans" .....
Yep, your right friend:!:Best **** post in this thread:!: Glad to hear from you, been awhile
they let me out from time to time....I've read a little here just haven't taken the time to post much...now when the season starts it may be different.....
Dallas Brave
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If you ignore KW??™s writing approach which uses:
faulty distribution, invalid sampling, Reduction Ad Absudum, distraction, non sequitur, appeal to casuistry, formal fallacy, circular reasoning, speculations, equivocation, false dilemma, false continuity, inadequate definition, invalid authority, false humility, appeal to prejudice, faulty assumptions, appeal to ignorance, argument by mere analogy, special pleading, appeal to selfishness, and Ad Hominem Attacks
then I suppose one might find his writing OK.
Of course, many posters, including myself from time-to-time
, use the same techniques in our postings. But, I believe most of the posters are not professional writers bound by honor to uphold the Journalist??™s Creed.Thanks JD...you are correct. I am coming purely from a numbers standpoint. I don't get into labeling fans true or haterzzzz...I leave that for the insecure folks that for some psychological reason need to make them feel better about who they are....
The VAST majority of BU fans don't post on here and have never even heard of Bradleyfans.....these articles are written for them and most that I know appreciate anything in these "down times" just like JL indicated.
MacabreMob
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Oh, I know DRU you never used the term "real fans". Maybe you didn't see my response in Post #155. You see - it just kinda made sense that the minority here can't be "real fans" when you suggest the average fan on the street is in the majority... well, then they must be the "real fans". Therefore, I must be one of the outcasts and not a "real fan"... and I was trying to be funny about it. Did you see my laughing smiley's? So all in fun DRU... all in fun. Laugh it off buddy. Don't let it bother ya... don't take it to the next tee man.
Buesch N Chips
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You'll never convince a Christian that God doesn't exist, and you'll never convince an atheist that He does. They either need to stop discussing religion, or stay away from each other.
If you ignore KW??™s writing approach which uses:
faulty distribution, invalid sampling, Reduction Ad Absudum, distraction, non sequitur, appeal to casuistry, formal fallacy, circular reasoning, speculations, equivocation, false dilemma, false continuity, inadequate definition, invalid authority, false humility, appeal to prejudice, faulty assumptions, appeal to ignorance, argument by mere analogy, special pleading, appeal to selfishness, and Ad Hominem Attacks
then I suppose one might find his writing OK.
Of course, many posters, including myself from time-to-time
Yeah, okay. Did you mean reductio ad absurdum?
I do not believe the new A.D. would be party to that at all. I applaud the A.D. for answering the question and KW for printing it in the paper.
I am happy that some people think the PJ Star coverage is fair and adequate. IMO it is not.
Not one of those articles you quoted is anything more than a regurgitation of a press release by Bradley, or news that was already out on message boards. Do you think a simple re-wording of a BU press release constitutes good reporting?
And the Bradley site has a lot of new information about the players. Just check the roster page, the individual bios, and the huge new prospectus posted by Bobby Parker.
http://www.bradleybraves.com//pdf8/716310.pdf?SPSID=25964&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400
The PJ Star has not had any article that gives fans a single bit of new information about this year's team, or about new players, or about players like DD, who have recovered from injury.
Most BU fans I know, if they don't read this site, do not even know who the players on this year's team are. I guess we'll have to wait until "Media Day" before any new info makes it into the local media. But every other MVC team has alreasdy had far more informative reporting done by their media than Bradley has. That fact has been documented many times here. The PJS can do whatever it wants, but I know there are people who have dropped their subscriptions simply because there is never anything reported that they don't already know about Bradley.
Dallas Brave
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Yes I did. Good catch. My fingers couldn't keep up. Also, in my haste I accidently omitted sophistry. Please add that to the list of KW's techniques.