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Oh oh-John Wilkins update
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tornado
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OK, I accept..I will take BOTH bets....
if John Wilkins ends up somewhere else I buy you lunch, but if he ends up at BU you buy me lunch FIVE times.
if Sean Harris ends up somewhere else I buy you lunch, but if he ends up at BU you buy me lunch TEN times.
......thanks for the offer, and let's see if anyone else wants more of this action...
SaintLouBrave22
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And yes I can see your point, but then again, I thought we were discussing him staying at the school and whether or not he would do so?
Thats what my point was...If he leaves, it doesn't change the outcome of the case, BUT it does change the outcome of how soon he gets to play D-I ball.
Because whichever way you look at it, IF he were to leave the school, I would imagine that tacks on at least a semester.
And you can argue that it makes his case better if he were to then leave the school, but that point could be argued both ways.
SaintLouBrave22
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I'd say its more like 90/10 for Harris and 15/85 for Wilkins.
The only reason for the 10% on Harris is that who knows, maybe he comes back from this mission and could care less about playing ball.
The Wilkins meter is at 15% and going lower by the day.
I expect him to sign with Kansas or Indiana or Illinois come April.
The NJCAA has told Wilkins he is not playing this year. Pending results on this potential law suit, thats the way it is. His next ball will be at Bradley (or pro, or other DI). The NJCAA is set on that.
So if Wilkins wants to transfer to ICC or somewhere near his family in Gary, Indiana to receive reduced tuition rates, he is free to do so. He will need to make sure his credits transfer, but the NJCAA would have nothing to do with his credits transferring. The Junior College academic centers would need to address the transferring of credits.
See what I'm getting at?The NJCAA is DONE with Wilkins (unless this law suit happens) so if he transfers elsewhere, they don't/can't do a thing or care about it. He would not be transferring to another JuCo (closer to home) to play ball. He would transfer to be a student and get his Associates -- so that he can be academically eligible to play DI.
So if Wilkins wants to transfer to ICC or somewhere near his family in Gary, Indiana to receive reduced tuition rates, he is free to do so. He will need to make sure his credits transfer, but the NJCAA would have nothing to do with his credits transferring. The Junior College academic centers would need to address the transferring of credits.
See what I'm getting at?The NJCAA is DONE with Wilkins (unless this law suit happens) so if he transfers elsewhere, they don't/can't do a thing or care about it. He would not be transferring to another JuCo (closer to home) to play ball. He would transfer to be a student and get his Associates -- so that he can be academically eligible to play DI.
BradleyBrave
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Has Harris even left on his 'mission' yet? He was playing in a pro-am league this past summer. At least we know when JW's 'target' date is to arrive. What do we know about Harris other than he's a Mormon?
Agreed completely! Just for all the naysayers he "could" do that. I think he'll stay put, file the injunction, and be at BU in a year!
Yes, he left for Honduras the first week of August.
Let's not argue all the legal nuances here. Let's just assume that if JW is getting professional legal advice on this, they probably know a lot more about this than anyone here does. So for whatever reason he is choosing not to sign his LOI, I think he is making the right choice.
houstontxbrave
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I have to say I truely hope BU is continuing to recruit and if someone is offered and they take the the ride for Wilkins we give it. All of this just reminds me of someone using BU as a fall back incase something better doesnt comes along.
I really hope JL and staff are not waiting around to see what Wilkins does or doesnt do.
When he is asked a direct question and did not give a direct affirmative yes Bradley is who I am signing with but not until the whole situation is resolved.
I really hope JL and staff are not waiting around to see what Wilkins does or doesnt do.
When he is asked a direct question and did not give a direct affirmative yes Bradley is who I am signing with but not until the whole situation is resolved.
tornado
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having an LOI in hand is like having a coupon good for one free college education and years of basketball eligibility..
It's hard to convince someone you're badly hurt by their actions if you're getting what every juco kid strives for anyway!
Leagally speaking there maybe more to this case then what has been discussed. There is something fishy going on and if their legal team can get a court to open up this case I bet you that the NJCAA allows him to play.
The LOI would take away the argument that they took away options because they will argue that he wants to play for BU and he signed an LOI. Now the defense cannot make that argument. They can say that BU offered him but they can come back and say, "What about other options." You see by signing the LOI they keep themselves away from mentioning that the NJCAA is keeping him away from other options.
He can always go and play pro-ball in Europe regardless. He'll be elligible for the NBA next draft but by not playing due to some fishy ruling they have diminshed his chances. This also limits his options to play in Division 1 because he has no other venue to show case his talents. The real argument is that without the vehicle of playing for this team he will have to forfiet his scholarship and make it hard for him to obtain his diploma. I'm sure the NJCAA will not want to get this far. Once the injuction is set they will back off! But fist they need the injunction. Once that is set then it is safe for JW to sign the LOI. Legal process can sometime be confusing andjust likeanything in life a case cansome times be won or loss by the tiniesof things that you or I would find inconsequential but not a judge.
The LOI would take away the argument that they took away options because they will argue that he wants to play for BU and he signed an LOI. Now the defense cannot make that argument. They can say that BU offered him but they can come back and say, "What about other options." You see by signing the LOI they keep themselves away from mentioning that the NJCAA is keeping him away from other options.
He can always go and play pro-ball in Europe regardless. He'll be elligible for the NBA next draft but by not playing due to some fishy ruling they have diminshed his chances. This also limits his options to play in Division 1 because he has no other venue to show case his talents. The real argument is that without the vehicle of playing for this team he will have to forfiet his scholarship and make it hard for him to obtain his diploma. I'm sure the NJCAA will not want to get this far. Once the injuction is set they will back off! But fist they need the injunction. Once that is set then it is safe for JW to sign the LOI. Legal process can sometime be confusing andjust likeanything in life a case cansome times be won or loss by the tiniesof things that you or I would find inconsequential but not a judge.
The biggest thing a lawsuit might have going for it is that the NJCAA is literally a small-time operation compared to the NCAA. The NCAA draws in hundreds of millions of dollars a year, where the NJCAA operates on a shoestring by comparison. I believe a lawsuit has an excellent chance of succeeding if for no other reason that the NJCAA doesn't have the resources to fight a protracted legal battle.