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Peoria 1A/2A basketball playoffs
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Cheatin I mean Seton Academy humiliated another public school last night.
A little research shows tuition costs $8,150.00 a year (this also gets your kid a laptop computer) to send your kid to this Roman Catholic High School. They also state that spiritual empowerment is a priority at Seton Academy and students are expected to model respect, integrity and cooperation for the common good. Our athletes, 80% of which are on the honor roll, live our philosophy ???play hard or go home???.
I wonder how many of their recruited basketball players are on the honor roll?
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This would make a good article for the PJS and what is wrong with high school athletics. Do you suppose they would risk stepping on IHSA toes to embarrass everybody involved?
leebiddlecome
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Im guessing Marty Hickman is pretty aware of what goes on at Seton Academy. If they tried to stop recruiting at the IHSA level they wouldn't have any time left to do anything else.
If a private school wants to go watch junior high games and recruit kids? Why is that wrong? They recruit kids for all kinds of reasons. I don't have to like it but I don't see why it is wrong. They are private, they need enrollment numbers.
Remember the movie Hoop Dreams where Gene Pingatore "recruited" Gates and Agee to come to Westchester St. Joe's?
mrcoachdude
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I witnessed a brawl on Saturday that the police had to break up....about 50 or 60 kids scattered everywhere......our Peoria youth put on a great show
Thanks alot grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
mrcoachdude
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I would say they are Peoria Kids....just guessing of course..but that many kids....
runninfiend
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i do think i heard that the transfer players had to sit out a year. i didn't read all those bylaws, but i'm assuming everything is kosher.
from a pure basketball standpoint, that team was one of the best small school teams i've ever seen, maybe since the st. mel teams of the 80's. put them on the floor with say...missouri state, and they might get the win.
this weekend just demonstrated what a debacle the 4 class system is. the champs from 1A and 2A were the two best teams in those classes combined. If you keep A, you probably get Meridian vs. Seton in the championship. That's a better game than either of the championships and you eliminate the ridiculous two third place games.
All the IHSA has succeded in doing is watering down the tourmanment and giving us less competitive matchups.
mrcoachdude
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"this weekend just demonstrated what a debacle the 4 class system is. the champs from 1A and 2A were the two best teams in those classes combined. If you keep A, you probably get Meridian vs. Seton in the championship. That's a better game than either of the championships and you eliminate the ridiculous two third place games. "
Meridian would not have beaten many of the 2A teams that did not even get to Peoria....IMHO...and Seton beats Meridian by 20 or more
Meridian would not have beaten many of the 2A teams that did not even get to Peoria....IMHO...and Seton beats Meridian by 20 or more
runninfiend
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and annawan, lewistown, and woodlawn didn't belong in the final four. meridian was a clear class above. so basically what you have is one of the biggest schools in 1A dominating the field, thus negating the opportunity of the smaller schools to win a championship, taking us back to square one.
maybe we need eight classes like in football....or sixteen?
leebiddlecome
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I love it. One private school team, Seton Academy, wins the 2A title only because they recruited and got kids who were "hand picked" from other schools.
Meanwhile, another 2A team, Peoria Christian, is a private school and ranked highly all year in the 2A poll doesn't do anything like this. Both schools obviously had very good basketball teams. Yet everyone blames the former for cheating its way to the top while the latter would never do such a thing and only has kids who go there for strictly academic or faith based reasons. Seton Academy is certainly a newcomer to the elite of IHSA hoops but Peoria Christian is as well.
To me, I don't care one way or the other. Private schools recruit. I only use Peoria Christian as an example because they are local and compete with Seton. They do it for athletics, they do it for academics, they do it to raise money, etc. It doesn't really bother me. But to say one cheats and the other(s) don't stinks of jealousy and hypocrisy.
Meanwhile, another 2A team, Peoria Christian, is a private school and ranked highly all year in the 2A poll doesn't do anything like this. Both schools obviously had very good basketball teams. Yet everyone blames the former for cheating its way to the top while the latter would never do such a thing and only has kids who go there for strictly academic or faith based reasons. Seton Academy is certainly a newcomer to the elite of IHSA hoops but Peoria Christian is as well.
To me, I don't care one way or the other. Private schools recruit. I only use Peoria Christian as an example because they are local and compete with Seton. They do it for athletics, they do it for academics, they do it to raise money, etc. It doesn't really bother me. But to say one cheats and the other(s) don't stinks of jealousy and hypocrisy.
mrcoachdude
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lee...I have been a part albeit a small part of Peoria Christian since 1993.....
1...are you saying they cheat and recruit athletically?
2....because Seton recruited their players we are jealous? hypocrosy?
Peoria Christian has been a part of the IHSA since 1998...
1...are you saying they cheat and recruit athletically?
2....because Seton recruited their players we are jealous? hypocrosy?
Peoria Christian has been a part of the IHSA since 1998...
Seton had a number of kids who played at other schools last year, and then this year, they all coalesce at Seton to give them a great team. They had 6 or 7 kids who will end up at D1, and many played AAU ball together, too. Quite unusual for that to just happen by chance at a school the size of Seton.
Peoria Christian- I don't think they had any of their regular players who weren't at the school from grade school all the way through high school.
And it is possible not one of them will end up being a D1 player, and most never even played AAU ball. They were just a good team, well coached, who played together for years. Huge difference from what happened at Seton.
Now if you are suggesting that PCS recruited those kids when they were 5 and 6 years old because they knew they would become good basketball players when they reached high school, I think that is quite a stretch.:lol:
Peoria Christian- I don't think they had any of their regular players who weren't at the school from grade school all the way through high school.
And it is possible not one of them will end up being a D1 player, and most never even played AAU ball. They were just a good team, well coached, who played together for years. Huge difference from what happened at Seton.
Now if you are suggesting that PCS recruited those kids when they were 5 and 6 years old because they knew they would become good basketball players when they reached high school, I think that is quite a stretch.:lol:
You can"t compare what happens in the Chicago area with what happens downstate because more recruiting goes on in both the public and private schools in Chicago strictly for sports where kids that attend private schools in the Peoria area do it mainly for academics and religious beliefs.
Had Limestone been in the Chicago area they would not have been penalized.
Had Limestone been in the Chicago area they would not have been penalized.
leebiddlecome
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I am not saying Peoria Christian cheats. I have no idea if they recruit for athletes. I do think a lot of privates do this. Some more openly than others.
I am saying this however---to say that one private 2A basketball power cheats while the other private 2A basketball power doesn't seems off-base to me.
I respect those on the board, like yourself, with ties to Peoria Christian. But we are all also coming down pretty hard on Seton Academy--while Seton Academy doesn't get the same somewhat biased representation on the board.
Is that a fair statement? That Peoria Christian is represented with greater attachement than Seton Academy?
leebiddlecome
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Actually you only proved that public schools get "caught" more often.
It is a 100 times easier to prove "cheating" on the public school level than private schools. Come on now. We all know this. It's not a shot to anyone or saying any school in particular "cheats".
When a kid leaves one public school and goes to another without moving into that district there are flags raised--correct? There has to be some sort of documentation proving the move legit.
What documentation does a kid/family have to prove if they go from a public school to a private school? They are allowed to do so freely correct?
For the record--before I get labeled a "hater" or "basher" of any school let me say this. I am, philisophically, pro-public schools. I admit this openly. Both of my parents were teachers for 30+ years in the public school system. That being said, it doesn't bother me if a private school "recruits" kids for athletic, academic, or extracirricular reasons. As a private school I feel they have that right. I don't sweat it.
I'm not ripping on any school. Not Seton Academy. Not Peoria Christian. Not Sacred Heart Griffin.
This is probably true, there will be more people here connected to PCS because they are local.
But they don't recruit athletes to put together a better basketball team, as opposed to Seton, who does. That is why posters here appear to be picking on Seton.
PCS may have an advantage some private schools have, because their kids play together for many years, and don't get split up when they move from grade school to junior high to high school. But that's not the same issue.
leebiddlecome
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RedbirdFan21
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Gotta love the 'ol Private vs. Public debate...NEVER ENDING!!!
(I am an SHG grad)