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Sorry, DC. I guess I should've called it "global whining" instead.
It may not be news, per se, but it does tackle an issue that is a major difference between last year's team and this year's team -- experience. On that note, I think it's something that is certainly worth discussing. I don't see any harm in that.
Those are all fine arguments, but when did anyone say we should've passed on any of those players?
Buesch N Chips
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It took KW exactly one sentence to call JL a liar.
He says Wilson had a good season, but only because he was good before he got to BU, therefore giving the coaches no credit.
Looks like another year of KW hate.
He says Wilson had a good season, but only because he was good before he got to BU, therefore giving the coaches no credit.
Looks like another year of KW hate.
MacabreMob
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What we have here is a little grudge between new media and old media.
Real Fan said basically what do we care about KW's article. DRU also said educated fans (like here at bradleyFans.com) already know what KW said.
So educated fans here at BradleyFans.com are ahead of the curve. We don't care for KW's opinion. And then his opinion gets nit-picked and then the comments get nit-picked.
Typical "Nit-pick and Gotchya" of today.
Bottom line - KW and his ilk are slipping into an abyss.
2008 will be remembered as the year journalism died.
(here is the moment Scouter will *sigh* - go ahead bro, *sigh*... they are just words, just speeches)
Real Fan said basically what do we care about KW's article. DRU also said educated fans (like here at bradleyFans.com) already know what KW said.
So educated fans here at BradleyFans.com are ahead of the curve. We don't care for KW's opinion. And then his opinion gets nit-picked and then the comments get nit-picked.
Typical "Nit-pick and Gotchya" of today.
Bottom line - KW and his ilk are slipping into an abyss.
2008 will be remembered as the year journalism died.
(here is the moment Scouter will *sigh* - go ahead bro, *sigh*... they are just words, just speeches)
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I don't think journalism will die, it is just going to change from a print media to an electronic media. As much as many on here do not like the articles of KW and DR because they are not always positive, many people in the area read them and will continue to do so. This does not mean that they are always correct. Many posters on here are just as knowledgeable about basketball and some more than the sports writers. They are sports writers, not basketball experts! I venture to say if KW and DR only wrote positive stuff regardless of the facts, they would be out of journalism much faster than some here would like. Any writer covering any team whose fan base is passionate, will anger some of the fans, some of the time.
All BU has to do to get more positive articles written by the PJS writers is to get better results. I wonder what they would write if BU won the conference or won the Valley tournament. As we are all BU fans lets hope we get to see it soon.
All BU has to do to get more positive articles written by the PJS writers is to get better results. I wonder what they would write if BU won the conference or won the Valley tournament. As we are all BU fans lets hope we get to see it soon.
When was the last time KW wrote a positive article without some kind of dig? I will not read his article because I feel his writing has established a bias towards BU because of some deep insecurity issue he has. DR on the other hand tends to write fair articles that have journalistic integrity and true research.
It also seems that most of us take the same side of these issues and it is really starting to get boring this time of the year. T is very protective of the program and on the other side is LakeView, extremey antagonistic. I can't wait until our play dictates what really is.
BTW I believe KW is jealous of JL and probably feels he can do his job better then him.
It also seems that most of us take the same side of these issues and it is really starting to get boring this time of the year. T is very protective of the program and on the other side is LakeView, extremey antagonistic. I can't wait until our play dictates what really is.
BTW I believe KW is jealous of JL and probably feels he can do his job better then him.
Lakeview Brave
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How will the play dictate what really is? Please explain
Braves4Life
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I'm a little late to the game but I just read the article and really have no problem with it. Maybe it's just too late and I'm tired and missed something.
mexicobufan
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The first exhibition game is two weeks from today, we are a little over three weeks away from the Fall LOI period, practive has started but this is the best thing we have to talk about? Dont get me wrong, I think KW has it out for BU for some reason, maybe its Les? But there should be some reports from practice, some rumors about recruits coming to campus, something positive or at least productive? I would take a good old guess the the starting five over talking about KW. I know everyone loves the guess the starting five deal, right?
I would give anything for a recap from someone that has witnessed some part or all of practice. I would love to hear that Smith was walking around campus this last weekend. Its that time of year when there are usually about 10 threads going on pretty interesting Bradley related topics.
Help me out here and make one up if you have to, I live in Mexico I will never know!!!!
I would give anything for a recap from someone that has witnessed some part or all of practice. I would love to hear that Smith was walking around campus this last weekend. Its that time of year when there are usually about 10 threads going on pretty interesting Bradley related topics.
Help me out here and make one up if you have to, I live in Mexico I will never know!!!!
t,
It won't be the 1st or last time I get wrath from posters...
KW is a writer, not a basketball expert. He is paid to write columns and help sell papers. I actually think his writing makes things interesting, and a little journalistic controversy by a sports columnist is not hurting the program...I am sure some will disagree. I am 1 who doesn't want all of the sports writers to just fall in line and write all positive articles if everything isn't positive. I will say again, he is a writer, not an expert. Part of the fun is having people reading, disagreeing and commenting.
As far as your last part........you are learning.....
It won't be the 1st or last time I get wrath from posters...
KW is a writer, not a basketball expert. He is paid to write columns and help sell papers. I actually think his writing makes things interesting, and a little journalistic controversy by a sports columnist is not hurting the program...I am sure some will disagree. I am 1 who doesn't want all of the sports writers to just fall in line and write all positive articles if everything isn't positive. I will say again, he is a writer, not an expert. Part of the fun is having people reading, disagreeing and commenting.
As far as your last part........you are learning.....
Dallas Brave
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Not to beat a dead horse (no insult intended), but I did find KW's comments to be lazy journalism. Every coach is going to talk up his team. There is no news in trying to pick apart a coach for being positive going into a season. KW has been covering the Braves a long time. He could put a little more thought into his article and compare this group of players to what he has seen in the past. He does a little of that and says that he too thinks this is a good squad. There is his story ... expand on it.
Hate to pick on just one comment, but this one seems reflective of the mood of many here on the board.
My question is:
Is this seriously what a writer should be; an extension of the PR department for the local university?
It seems that some would want the writers, no matter what the situation, to be like Kevin Bacon at the end of Animal House, "ALL IS WELL!" regardless of the situation happening around him. (No, there's no chaos right now with the program.)
I find it more responsible for the media to be initially skeptical rather than a mouthpiece for the University. I hope I don't have to draw the parallel for everybody.....
Sure, a lot of what Wessler said in the article is "Duh!"-type material for us, but again, any writer needs to write to the masses, not a niche; in this case (as has been said by dogsrus), casual fans and die-hards, respectively. Basically, it's the "Lowest Common Denominator" argument.
It's a fact of life for almost every sport, when you move to the next level, the game is faster, stronger, quicker, etc. "Rookies," generally speaking, do not initially match production levels they achieved at the lower level. Now, do some "rookies" achieve productive seasons, yes, and Coach pointed out good examples in one of his initial posts. But, Andrew Warren and Jim Les' quotes provide "evidence" that indicates "rookie growing pains," for lack of a better term, are the norm, not the exception of productive rookie seasons.
Is this article a rehash of a widely-accepted theory and applied to the team? Yes, but articles like this are written all over the country about all sorts of teams. Here's a general example: when da Bears went into this week with a couple of rookie cornerbacks, should the Chicago media have completely ignored this and just honked for them instead? Here's what David Haugh of the Tribune said in his article ( http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-20-haugh-bears-chicagooct20,0,6373427.column ) about one of those guys: "When the Bears elevated Bowman from the practice squad Tuesday, the thought of counting on him with the game on the line didn't exactly fill people at Halas Hall with confidence." Should Bears fans form up and storm the Tribune and haul David Haugh out to the streets so he could be tarred and feathered because he (as well as da Bears Coaching Staff!) dared to be skeptical about rookie contributions?
I cringe every time this comes up because it seems to me that a "persecution complex" seems to have made inroads to our fanbase. We're better than this.
At least the Tribune writer you use as an example actually reported on something new that was happening with the Bears personnel and opined on it. KW's article didn't do that at all. As I said before, there was nothing in his article that couldn't have been written 3 or 4 months ago when this year's roster was set.
And as far as reporting negative stuff, I don't expect newspaper columnists to be mouthpieces of the school. But I also don't see why they have to try so hard to look at things in a negative way, when there isn't anything negative yet to report. I am sure there will be plenty of negative things coming, and I am also sure we'll hear all about them.
I pointed out several columns by writers from other MVC cities, and the only one that basically calls out the coach for over-optimism and tries to warn all of us not to believe what we hear coming from the Coach is the PJ Star.
And I also don't buy the explanation that he has to write such uninformative columns because most Bradley fans don't know anything about the team like we do. That's ridiculous. Bradley fans are extremely well informed.
Maybe they should just listen to Phil Theobald's advice after a miserable loss by a Jim Molinari coached team a few years ago--
he once said that if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all, then he left his half-page column totally blank. It was the best column he ever published!
And as far as reporting negative stuff, I don't expect newspaper columnists to be mouthpieces of the school. But I also don't see why they have to try so hard to look at things in a negative way, when there isn't anything negative yet to report. I am sure there will be plenty of negative things coming, and I am also sure we'll hear all about them.
I pointed out several columns by writers from other MVC cities, and the only one that basically calls out the coach for over-optimism and tries to warn all of us not to believe what we hear coming from the Coach is the PJ Star.
And I also don't buy the explanation that he has to write such uninformative columns because most Bradley fans don't know anything about the team like we do. That's ridiculous. Bradley fans are extremely well informed.
Maybe they should just listen to Phil Theobald's advice after a miserable loss by a Jim Molinari coached team a few years ago--
he once said that if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all, then he left his half-page column totally blank. It was the best column he ever published!
Iceman, IMO the difference is, Bowman is making big bucks and should be expected to do the job, just like any worker on any job. Everything doesn't have to be positive in KW's articles, but don't take a coach's positive comments about his players before the season starts and immediately become negative. I've been a BU fan for many years and have yet to see a coach, no matter who he was, say anything but positive comments about a new recruit.
mexicobufan
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I am warning everyone for the last time, if this thread keeps going I WILL START A GUESS THE STARTING FIVE THREAD...........now back off or you will force me to do something no one wants!!!!!!!!!!
I don't think you missed anything B4L. The article seems pretty straight forward to me. There might be a poor choice of words like "rare".. but I thought it was mostly on the money.
Was it negative? I sure didn't take it that way. Did he call Les a liar as posted here? That tought never entered my mind until it was posted here.
It seems like some posters here have it in for the columnist just as they accuse him of having it in for Les & the Braves.
And who cares if he ever writes a positive column? Most of you apparently think he is an ***** and has no clue what he is talking about. So if he writes a positive column does that mean he's wrong about that too?
Lighten up guys, it was only an editorial.. written to remind you not to take everything at face value. It was not groundbreaking.. but also was not some guy sitting on a grassy knoll taking shots at Les and the team.