Ray Brown loses year for suspension

[flipper]

I hope Ray keeps his head up. Sounds like a victimless crime.

the ncca is a joke. ray smokes a little weed, a victimless crime, and gets a year suspension. siu's tatum gets a dui and the ncaa does nothing. tatum's act could have killed an innocent person. doesn't seem even close to being fair.

just seems like the ncaa is picking on bu. first the pob and franklin mess and now this. boo ncaa.

You forgot, Ray could have gotten in a car and killed someone too... Or, if he wasn't caught and punished he may have continued and got into worse trouble.

c'mon. get real. he didn't drive a car. smoking a little weed is probably less harmful than the binge drinking down on farmington road or the frat houses.you'd think people would be more educated on pot in 2006.

 

[Lakeview Brave]

I agree he probably wasn???‚¬?„?t hurting anyone but himself and if he were a normal college student then who knows what would happen. But he is not a normal student, he goes to school for free based on his "supposed" ability to play basketball. He has yet to play a meaningful minute in two years. He represents the school and given are recent national exposure this will be a bigger story then it might have been in the past. It is an embarrassment: :roll:

 

[PeoriaLou]

I agree with Lakeview, Ray knows the rules and he broke them. Period. Victimless crime my foot, the victims are not only Ray, but the BU staff, team and basketball department.

He screwed up and must pay the price, no two ways around it. I know Les is concerned about the well-being of RB and is saying all the right things in the pjstar article, but he can't be anything but totally disappointed in RB's lack of commitment to this team and BU.

Can you rescind a scholly for knowing breaking team, school and NCAA rules? Not sure if this situation is over yet....[/quote]

 

[tornado]

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It is an embarrassment::

It is.
And BU can revoke the scholarship, but as noted in the article, they have chosen not to, and they even went to bat for Ray claiming the penalty is excessive and believing that Ray is really a good kid who deserves a 2nd chance.

I think there are two issues.

The (1) violation....and the (2) penalty.

I don't disagree he committed the violation, and it is disappointing that he did.

But the penalty is severe and excessive.
What do you want to bet that the first time such a violation occurs to a JJ Redick or a Joakim Noah, that the NCAA backs off and revises the panalty.
If a kid got his arm cut off for stealing, it has nothing to do with the crime being a crime, it is just way too harsh of a penalty.
Does anyone really think this particular penalty is fair and reasonable?
If they are going to have these kinds of severe penalties, then why not apply them also to the kids caught in campus break-ins, caught with drugs, drunk driving, slapping girlfriends, making improper phone calls using school credit cards, and taking $10,000 "unrepayable loans" from school boosters?

 

[BradleyBrave]

...
It is an embarrassment::

It is.
And BU can revoke the scholarship, but as noted in the article, they have chosen not to, and they even went to bat for Ray claiming the penalty is excessive and believing that Ray is really a good kid who deserves a 2nd chance.

I think there are two issues.

The (1) violation....and the (2) penalty.

I don't disagree he committed the violation, and it is disappointing that he did.

But the penalty is severe and excessive.
What do you want to bet that the first time such a violation occurs to a JJ Redick or a Joakim Noah, that the NCAA backs off and revises the panalty.
If a kid got his arm cut off for stealing, it has nothing to do with the crime being a crime, it is just way too harsh of a penalty.
Does anyone really think this particular penalty is fair and reasonable?
If they are going to have these kinds of severe penalties, then why not apply them also to the kids caught in campus break-ins, caught with drugs, drunk driving, slapping girlfriends, making improper phone calls using school credit cards, and taking $10,000 "unrepayable loans" from school boosters?

The penalty may be excessive, but we shouldn't expect any breaks from the NCAA no matter how right we may be. We were lucky they let us keep our name, and that's probably the only break we're ever going to get from them.

 

[flipper]

i agree with tornado. i wonder this would have still happened if we hadn't made the sweet sixteen. seems like if a mid-major has some success the ncaa looks for ways to knock them down.

 

[georgethedog]

I hope Ray keeps his head up. Sounds like a victimless crime.

the ncca is a joke. ray smokes a little weed, a victimless crime, and gets a year suspension. siu's tatum gets a dui and the ncaa does nothing. tatum's act could have killed an innocent person. doesn't seem even close to being fair.

just seems like the ncaa is picking on bu. first the pob and franklin mess and now this. boo ncaa.

You forgot, Ray could have gotten in a car and killed someone too... Or, if he wasn't caught and punished he may have continued and got into worse trouble.

c'mon. get real. he didn't drive a car. smoking a little weed is probably less harmful than the binge drinking down on farmington road or the frat houses.you'd think people would be more educated on pot in 2006.

Come on... Get real... He could have been driving a car! Were you with him the only time he smoked to see that he didn't? You sound like a college student, so I can assume that I was educated on pot long before you were born. Most of us experienmented back in the 70's during high school, but most of us were smart enough to stop before college so we didn't do something to screw up our lives. The ones that were not smart enough normally screwed their lives up to some extent and many are now working at the local convienent store at age 40! Apparently you will only understand that after you live a little longer and gain some more insight into life. Oh, and by the way, Lakeview Brave you are 100% correct on all accounts!

 

[lefty]

...
It is an embarrassment::

It is.
And BU can revoke the scholarship, but as noted in the article, they have chosen not to, and they even went to bat for Ray claiming the penalty is excessive and believing that Ray is really a good kid who deserves a 2nd chance.

I think there are two issues.

The (1) violation....and the (2) penalty.

I don't disagree he committed the violation, and it is disappointing that he did.

But the penalty is severe and excessive.
What do you want to bet that the first time such a violation occurs to a JJ Redick or a Joakim Noah, that the NCAA backs off and revises the panalty.
If a kid got his arm cut off for stealing, it has nothing to do with the crime being a crime, it is just way too harsh of a penalty.
Does anyone really think this particular penalty is fair and reasonable?
If they are going to have these kinds of severe penalties, then why not apply them also to the kids caught in campus break-ins, caught with drugs, drunk driving, slapping girlfriends, making improper phone calls using school credit cards, and taking $10,000 "unrepayable loans" from school boosters?

My question T..is if the NCAA conducts the testing and you fail is it an automatic one year suspension? If they make that known to all then it wouldn't make any difference who failed in one of their tests. RB was one of 152 tested and he was the only one who failed. If schools know the penalties going in then you suffer the consequences

 

[flipper]

I hope Ray keeps his head up. Sounds like a victimless crime.

the ncca is a joke. ray smokes a little weed, a victimless crime, and gets a year suspension. siu's tatum gets a dui and the ncaa does nothing. tatum's act could have killed an innocent person. doesn't seem even close to being fair.

just seems like the ncaa is picking on bu. first the pob and franklin mess and now this. boo ncaa.

You forgot, Ray could have gotten in a car and killed someone too... Or, if he wasn't caught and punished he may have continued and got into worse trouble.

c'mon. get real. he didn't drive a car. smoking a little weed is probably less harmful than the binge drinking down on farmington road or the frat houses.you'd think people would be more educated on pot in 2006.

Come on... Get real... He could have been driving a car! Were you with him the only time he smoked to see that he didn't? You sound like a college student, so I can assume that I was educated on pot long before you were born. Most of us experienmented back in the 70's during high school, but most of us were smart enough to stop before college so we didn't do something to screw up our lives. The ones that were not smart enough normally screwed their lives up to some extent and many are now working at the local convienent store at age 40! Apparently you will only understand that after you live a little longer and gain some more insight into life. Oh, and by the way, Lakeview Brave you are 100% correct on all accounts!

you are right. i am a college student but that still doesn't mean that i as uneducated about pot. to me, alcohol is more of a problem that pot. also, pot doesn't doesn't enhance a players performance. so who is he hurting?

 

[tornado]

..........RB was one of 152 tested and he was the only one who failed. If schools know the penalties going in then you suffer the consequences

lefty-
Had you ever heard of this regulation/rule before?
I know I hadn't and I'll bet not one of the people discussing it had either.
That doesn't make the NCAA unfair for imposing it, but my point is this.

The punishment SHOULD fit the crime.
Wherever punishments have not fit the crime (whippings for adultery, torture for political priosoners, etc) then it IS a fair issue to ask that the punishment be reviewed. In many cases the offender has made a fair case and won.
Jerry Tarkanian did, and so did those numerous athletes who were initially denied a 6th year to complete their eligibility but won on appeal.

I don't ask anyone to change their minds on my account, I just ask those to consider the severity of the penalty in this instance.
It is way, way out of proportion to any penalty for virtually any violation that the NCAA enforces.
It is an attampt to keep steroids out of the NCAA as the testing only occurs during the NCAA Tournament, but unfortunately Ray got caught in the dragnet.
I am simply going on record as saying I believe the penalty is excessive. Even the NCAA personnell quoted in the story agreed, but they were unwilling to change the penalty.
And how about the example of kids who were caught red handed with drugs, but still missed few or NO games?

Here, I have quoted these stories before---but none of these players got suspended that we know of............
http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5102746
http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5126171


As I said before, the first time Duke player or a UNC player loses a year due to this ruloe, I'll bet you'll see a change or a waiving of the penalty as quick as a blink.

By the way, here is the link to the story as it is on line now.
http://www.pjstar.com/stories/072206/BRA_BAEVVRNU.071.shtml

 

[tornado]

..........
RB was one of 152 tested and he was the only one who failed. If schools know the penalties going in then you suffer the consequences

Was he the only one??
Then what gives with this story??
(which describes a Marquette player who tested positive for marijuana )


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...s Topics/Organizations/M/Marquette University



By the way a Wisconsin Badger player who tested positive for marijuana got suspended for TWO GAMES>
http://www2.jsonline.com/badger/20498/bkb/okey102197.stm

 

[lefty]

..........
RB was one of 152 tested and he was the only one who failed. If schools know the penalties going in then you suffer the consequences

Was he the only one??
Then what gives with this story??
(which describes a Marquette player who tested positive for marijuana in March of 2006 and suspended for a year)
Sounds like someone is not telling the truth.
Couldn't be the NCAA or the Journal Star, could it??

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...s Topics/Organizations/M/Marquette University

Well if I read the story properly that happened in1996. The player got the same suspension time. 10 years later RB gets tested in the tourney and gets the same penalty. i meant 1 of 152 tested during this yrae's tourney, but the fact that this rule was in effect 10 years ago tells me that most DO NOT consider it excessive or it would have been changed on th last ten years.

In regards to the other links you posted in previous post, it looks like those were the schools testing not NCAA..so i'm guessing penalties could be different.
NCAA testing in Marquette case and BU was during NCAA tournament

 

[flipper]

..........
RB was one of 152 tested and he was the only one who failed. If schools know the penalties going in then you suffer the consequences

Was he the only one??
Then what gives with this story??
(which describes a Marquette player who tested positive for marijuana in March of 2006 and suspended for a year)
Sounds like someone is not telling the truth.
Couldn't be the NCAA or the Journal Star, could it??

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...s Topics/Organizations/M/Marquette University

Well if I read the story properly that happened in1996. The player got the same suspension time. 10 years later RB gets tested in the tourney and gets the same penalty. i meant 1 of 152 tested during this yrae's tourney, but the fact that this rule was in effect 10 years ago tells me that most DO NOT consider it excessive or it would have been changed on th last ten years.

In regards to the other links you posted in previous post, it looks like those were the schools testing not NCAA..so i'm guessing penalties could be different.
NCAA testing in Marquette case and BU was during NCAA tournament

good points, lefty. tornado is clouding the issue. nothing can change the fact that the ncaa rule and penalty is clearly spelled out and ray brown broke the rule. now he must pay the penalty. to bring in other stories about civil cases isn't the same as ncaa testing. really that simple, now that i think about.

what i also have thought about is the fact that ray is elgible to practice.how do you think that will pan out? can he play in the red-white scrimmage?

 

[mid-major fan]

Did it occur to anyone why no players from other schools tested positive. Many schools test their own players before the NCAAs to avoid just this result. Bradley either decided to play the odds or was inexperienced with NCAA Tourney rules.

 

[georgethedog]

I hope Ray keeps his head up. Sounds like a victimless crime.

the ncca is a joke. ray smokes a little weed, a victimless crime, and gets a year suspension. siu's tatum gets a dui and the ncaa does nothing. tatum's act could have killed an innocent person. doesn't seem even close to being fair.

just seems like the ncaa is picking on bu. first the pob and franklin mess and now this. boo ncaa.

You forgot, Ray could have gotten in a car and killed someone too... Or, if he wasn't caught and punished he may have continued and got into worse trouble.

c'mon. get real. he didn't drive a car. smoking a little weed is probably less harmful than the binge drinking down on farmington road or the frat houses.you'd think people would be more educated on pot in 2006.

Come on... Get real... He could have been driving a car! Were you with him the only time he smoked to see that he didn't? You sound like a college student, so I can assume that I was educated on pot long before you were born. Most of us experienmented back in the 70's during high school, but most of us were smart enough to stop before college so we didn't do something to screw up our lives. The ones that were not smart enough normally screwed their lives up to some extent and many are now working at the local convienent store at age 40! Apparently you will only understand that after you live a little longer and gain some more insight into life. Oh, and by the way, Lakeview Brave you are 100% correct on all accounts!

you are right. i am a college student but that still doesn't mean that i as uneducated about pot. to me, alcohol is more of a problem that pot. also, pot doesn't doesn't enhance a players performance. so who is he hurting?

Q. Who is he hurting?
A. Himself

I agree that alcohol is probably a bigger problem, but Pot is illegal, period. If Pot were legal, I might do it, but it is not and I don't and he shouldn't.

Part 2 of "who is he hurting?"
After hurting himself, here is a partial list:
The team (now not as good)
The coaches (their careers)
The university (reputation)
The students (he goes free)
The fans (ticket and other costs)

I am sure there are more, but gotta go...

 

[MacabreMob]

Part 2 of "who is he hurting?"
...
The fans (ticket and other costs)

I am sure there are more, but gotta go...

Selfishly, this hurts a fan like me 'cause now I gotta put up with every jack-as(s) Illini, ISU and SIU fan I know.

 

[BradleyBrave]

Part 2 of "who is he hurting?"
...
The fans (ticket and other costs)

I am sure there are more, but gotta go...

Selfishly, this hurts a fan like me 'cause now I gotta put up with every jack-as(s) Illini, ISU and SIU fan I know.

SIU had a guy get a DUI, Illinois can't seal the deal on any recruits, and BU had a guy suspended for weed. They've got no room to talk.

And if anyone from Illinois really gets on you, ask them about their football program. They're on probation for paying a kid, just agreed to harbor a reject from Maryland, and continue to be one of the worst programs in the nation. Believe me, anyone who tries to give you grief should take a look in the mirror.

 

[Da Coach]

My question is if the NCAA conducts the testing and you fail is it an automatic one year suspension? If they make that known to all then it wouldn't make any difference who failed in one of their tests. RB was one of 152 tested and he was the only one who failed. If schools know the penalties going in then you suffer the consequences

This is not correct, Lefty. According to the PJ Star article, the last year for which statistics are available is 2004-2005, in which 152 NCAA Division I basketball athletes were tested, and 1 tested positive. That was 2004-2005, and the test involving Ray was in 2006. We don't know how many were tested or were positive this year.

 

[squeaky]

I am really glad Ray was just smokin a little weed. Just think what kind of penalty he might have gotten if he had slapped around or raped his girlfriend, or shot off a loaded weapon on campus, or knocked off a liquor store.

 

[flipper]

Part 2 of "who is he hurting?"
...
The fans (ticket and other costs)

I am sure there are more, but gotta go...

Selfishly, this hurts a fan like me 'cause now I gotta put up with every jack-as(s) Illini, ISU and SIU fan I know.

well if ya dish it out ya gotta be ready to take it. hardly any school doesn't have any problems that another fan can't kid or razz them about. freind of mine was at iowa state when their basketball coach larry e. got in trouble(drinking and chasing the college girls). boy did i have fun kidding him about that :lol: