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Rebounding Issue

Braves4Life said:
Let me ask you this SLB. Do YOU have confidence in our bigs? Are they THAT impressive where you'd like to see 2 or 3 on the floor at the same time?

IMO, I think if you had any combination of AT, WE, SS, or MK on the floor at the same time (for an extended period) it would be a disaster. With the lack of footwork and foot speed you would have guys tripping all over themselves. Guys would be on the floor and it would look like a goal-line stand in football. I'm just not ready for the "matador" defense right now. And I prefer not to watch houses being built with all the bricks that would be thrown up.

JL knows his best chance to win is to play 4 athletic guys at the same time with one of the bigs. He'll go with 2 "smalls", 2 "mediums", and one "big". Or, we'll occasionally see 3 "smalls", 1 "medium", and 1 "big". Hopefully, our bigs can develop and earn JL's (and the other players) confidence during practice and earn their minutes.

Now, if this is a reflection of poor recruiting then so be it. But JL is just playing with the hand he's been dealt (and he's the dealer). As Herm Edwards so famously said: "You play to win the game!"
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I would be more confident playing Will at the 4 if Sam Singh is on the floor...

Thompson maybe but I don't have much confidence in him...

Will and Taylor will work well BUT only if we aren't playing Sammy and Eddren as well...


And in reality, if you've seen the two games with your own eyes, you'd know that we're a "+" in scoring numbers with Will on the floor, thus he should be getting closer to 30 mpg and not 10!


I'm just saying it for what it is...this team will never win with 4 guards as they will get hammered on the glass inside...


Just imagine playing 4 guards against UNI and Koch and Egleseder....you're asking Chris or Andrew to guard Koch....

I'm sorry, but thats a JOKE!


When you play Creighton, you're asking one of them to guard Carter...

Once again, a complete JOKE!



Les may think its so great to play with all of these guards, but when he was on the floor, would he have enjoyed guarding someone 4-6 inches taller than him or more physical or would he have enjoyed playing out of position?


Its just too much and it needs to be stopped...unless he plans on adding to the IL unemployment rate in a year or two...
 
Braves4Life said:
Let me ask you this SLB. Do YOU have confidence in our bigs? Are they THAT impressive where you'd like to see 2 or 3 on the floor at the same time?

IMO, I think if you had any combination of AT, WE, SS, or MK on the floor at the same time (for an extended period) it would be a disaster. With the lack of footwork and foot speed you would have guys tripping all over themselves. Guys would be on the floor and it would look like a goal-line stand in football. I'm just not ready for the "matador" defense right now. And I prefer not to watch houses being built with all the bricks that would be thrown up.

JL knows his best chance to win is to play 4 athletic guys at the same time with one of the bigs. He'll go with 2 "smalls", 2 "mediums", and one "big". Or, we'll occasionally see 3 "smalls", 1 "medium", and 1 "big". Hopefully, our bigs can develop and earn JL's (and the other players) confidence during practice and earn their minutes.

Now, if this is a reflection of poor recruiting then so be it. But JL is just playing with the hand he's been dealt (and he's the dealer). As Herm Edwards so famously said: "You play to win the game!"
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I have stated and would like to see WE and AT on the floor at the same time. If we did that, I would want to see Sm, AW, and TB utilize the remaining positions. I think that this lineup gives us a legitimate shot at an inside-outside game.
 
SaintLouBrave22 said:
Will and Taylor will work well BUT only if we aren't playing Sammy and Eddren as well...


And in reality, if you've seen the two games with your own eyes, you'd know that we're a "+" in scoring numbers with Will on the floor, thus he should be getting closer to 30 mpg and not 10!


I'm just saying it for what it is...this team will never win with 4 guards as they will get hammered on the glass inside...
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I have really liked what I have seen from WE. But he is our ONLY "big" who is a "player" right now. I'd like to see him get more minutes and develop more confidence. SS will NEED to be used judiciously against teams with "wide bodies", like UNI. It is up to Les to put the right combination on the floor when appropriate. I really think this team can win if it plays the following players the majority of minutes, and with limited times with SM and EM on the floor at the same time -- SM, EM, DSE, AW, TB, CR, WE,
 
Beninator said:
I have stated and would like to see WE and AT on the floor at the same time. If we did that, I would want to see Sm, AW, and TB utilize the remaining positions. I think that this lineup gives us a legitimate shot at an inside-outside game.
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Thats a pretty good lineup and would give the team multiple solid rebounders and shooters...

I do think though that Will, Taylor, Chris, Andrew, and Sammy/Dyricus is a good lineup and like I said before, I really like Andrew and Chris logging plenty of minutes as they're the most consistent players on the team...

Sam Singh and AT split the rest of the minutes at the 5 with Will taking most there and possibly a few at the 4.

Taylor gets the majority there with Milos getting a little time at the 4 and the 3.
 
Braves4Life said:
I really think this team can win if it plays the following players the majority of minutes, and with limited times with SM and EM on the floor at the same time -- SM, EM, DSE, AW, TB, CR, WE,
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I agree and this is our core...


I however don't think Sammy and Eddren should ever be on the floor at the same time...too many deficiencies in too many areas to address if you do that...

IF we play 2 PG's at the same time, one of the two should always be DSE.


Just as if Singh or Thompson are on the floor, Taylor should ALWAYS be on the floor as well because we'll need him for rebounding
 
SaintLouBrave22 said:
I do think though that Will, Taylor, Chris, Andrew, and Sammy/Dyricus is a good lineup and like I said before, I really like Andrew and Chris logging plenty of minutes as they're the most consistent players on the team..
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I like this lineup as well. My main point is that I have not been to comfortable with some of our substitution patterns. I realize that TB's suspension has an effect here. ..To me, it seems that at times, we have a grouping of one dimensional players who do not compliment each other well on the floor at the same time.
 
I believe by conference time we will only go 8 deep for the majority of the minutes. As it looks right now SS will be that 8th guy and playing long stretches. I expect to see MK and AT playing short spurts and most probably towards the end of the 1st half.
 
Beninator said:
I like this lineup as well. My main point is that I have not been to comfortable with some of our substitution patterns. I realize that TB's suspension has an effect here. ..To me, it seems that at times, we have a grouping of one dimensional players who do not compliment each other well on the floor at the same time.
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Ya know, this is EXACTLY what I said on Sunday. I just don't understand his playing rotations sometimes and certain guys at certain times.


For example, why would you bring in Eddren w/ a minute to go in the 1st half and take out Andrew Warren?


At one point, Eddren, Sammy, and SS were on the floor together when Sammy wasn't shooting well and neither of the other two could score. Puts a lot of pressure on Chris and Andrew and takes much off the defense knowing you only have to guard 3 and Sammy is having a bad night.


Like I said, Sammy and Eddren should never be on the floor at the same time.

Along with that, neither should Eddren and Sam Singh.

We have enough trouble scoring, therefore, only 1 non scorer should be out there at a time except in foul trouble situations or if we're up by a bunch.
 
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TB will help our rebounding problem but he won't solve it IMO. Much of rebounding is mental, being prepared when the ball goes up, positioning, and BLOCKING OUT your man or SOMEONE! We simply do not do this and we are getting killed on the boards as a result. Great rebounding begins in practice. I would suggest that JL might help this situation if he could talk to Tom Izzo at Mich. State. They are rebounding demons year after year and this is due to Izzos methods of teaching rebounding and tough rebounding drills in practice. Why not give this a try?
 
wizard said:
TB will help our rebounding problem but he won't solve it IMO. Much of rebounding is mental, being prepared when the ball goes up, positioning, and BLOCKING OUT your man or SOMEONE! We simply do not do this and we are getting killed on the boards as a result. Great rebounding begins in practice. I would suggest that JL might help this situation if he could talk to Tom Izzo at Mich. State. They are rebounding demons year after year and this is due to Izzos methods of teaching rebounding and tough rebounding drills in practice. Why not give this a try?
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Yeah, have you heard about what they do for that at MSU though?


They borrow the pads from the football team and he has the assistants just chuck balls off the backboard and they go at it full contact.


First, we have no football team, so where are we getting the pads?


Second, somehow, as much as our players get injured, do you really want them doing this?
 
We have a football team. Just put on the shin guards and be a man! You are not boxing out hard enough until you get a T for boxing out the opponent into the 7th row. If you get the T onlly boxing them to the 6h row, then another full week of raw meat.

I'd like to hear of full-contact layup drills, too. seems we can never finish in traffic
 
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St. LB---Perhaps the problem is that we are so concerned about injuries that we avoid hard game-style contact in practice and this carries over into games. JL talks a lot about toughness but we don't show any toughness at all in games. If we play to keep from injuring ourselves, we are most certainly destined for a long year and perhaps a 6th place finish. We can buy football pads but we have to be willing to use them.
 
Out of Balance said:
Help me out friend:? Thats 6'2, 5'11 and 5'10:-o
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I think what he means OoB is that he DOES NOT want to see these guys on the floor at the same time.

And, regarding our rebounding. I think part of our problem stems from the fact that most of our big men are "slow" leapers. Even with SS, WE, and AT on the floor at the same time we would have problems. Teams with "quick" leapers don't need a ton of size because they have guys 6'4"+ that are quick leapers (athletes) who get to the ball faster than a 6'10" guy.

David Collins, WE, SS, AT, SM, MK (from what I've seen) are slow leapers (this doesn't mean they can't jump high, though that is sometimes the case). I do not even think I would call Warren or DSE quick leapers. McCain, Roberts and Brown may be our only quick leapers (Theron was also a quick leaper). Our Sweet 16 team was LOADED with quick leapers (and athletes), IMO.

I think if you want to solve our rebounding problems you find a way to play EM, CR, and TB at the same time as much as possible.
 
Will is a quick leaper, but it doesn't matter if he boxes his man if the rebound bounds long and we have guys standing around OR if he boxes his man and it goes to the opposite side where one of our 6'0" guards has to out physical a 6'6" guy...

Its just a no win situation, thus why you can't play 4 guards...you're just never going to win the battle.
 
What is the benefit of playing SS ahead of AT, behind WE?

Is there really much difference in what they bring to the team?

Statistically, they are a push through two games...

Per minute played, PTS and RB are similar.

SS has 5 PF to 0 by Sticks

SS has 3 A, Sticks 0 A but SS has 3 TO, Sticks 0

I'd also rather have Sticks shooting FT vs SS

I haven't seen much of either game, so I am going only on published stats.

In year 3 shouldn't Sticks start to get time and touches, or IWYSWYG with him :(
 
I see no reason why McCain and Maniscalco are ever on the floor at the same time, we have plenty of depth in our guards so fouls should not be a problem, it definitely hurts are chances of rebounding and bigger guards are scoring at will against these matchups.
I hope with Taylor Brown returning on Saturday that we do have an alternative plan for the 4 position if he gets into any foul trouble because having Andrew or Chris play the 4 position just makes it impossible for this team to compete on the boards. I cannot see Andrew or Chris having to guard 6-9 A.Koch of N.Iowa at the 4 position, this would not be a good plan.
 
AZ BU Fan said:
What is the benefit of playing SS ahead of AT, behind WE?

Is there really much difference in what they bring to the team?

Statistically, they are a push through two games...

Per minute played, PTS and RB are similar.

SS has 5 PF to 0 by Sticks

SS has 3 A, Sticks 0 A but SS has 3 TO, Sticks 0

I'd also rather have Sticks shooting FT vs SS

I haven't seen much of either game, so I am going only on published stats.

In year 3 shouldn't Sticks start to get time and touches, or IWYSWYG with him :(
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I guess my answer would be that SS brings experience and a track record of making plays and given such a small sample (2 games) I see no reason a Senior should lose his position to a SOPH who wouldn't be a significant upgrade.

You all the time read on this board that with SS you know what you get. I think that JL has a history with SS & "knows what he'll get" and until that can be said about Sticks or he starts to show he's a significant upgrade, you maintain the same rotation.
 
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