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Ruffin out?

People make mistakes, if he is indeed at fault he will receive the appropriate punishment but to permanently wash your hands of him....is a little much. You have to keep in mind, the players on the team have been with Ruffin for 3...4...some even 5 years. Even if he is at fault, let him take responsibility and move on. He will probably be off the team officially but to not let him witness senior night?

I'm sure Ruffin and all the other players are like a son to Les, and I dont expect him to cut ties. Nor anyone else on the team.
 
Guinness, you hit it on the head.
Maybe some fans will never be able to forgive a player for something like this, but many fans and certainly the coaches accept these kids like they are their own kids.

If something like this happened to your own kid you would never think of turning your back on them. The case must be allowed to play out, and I trust things will be handled properly. But we will still be supportive of Daniel.
 
Couple other thoughts...

I'm pretty sure Ruffin got a degree in Sociology and wanted to get into social work (thought I read that somewhere), have to wonder if everything turns out to be true and his fault, will he ever be able to get into that line of work with a domestic battery on his record? Is that a felony or misdemenor? Does anyone think this would impact him playing pro in Europe? If it's a felony, he is going to be SOL trying to get a post-basketball job.
 
IF the allegations prove to be enough to remove him from the team there is no way he should be allowed at Senior night. It just allows for people like Wessler to criticize the university for being easy on him. I know I thought it was inappropriate for Illinois to allow Jamar Smith to be on the bench after seriously injuring one of his teamates.
 
Guinness said:
People make mistakes, if he is indeed at fault he will receive the appropriate punishment but to permanently wash your hands of him....is a little much......
I'm sure Ruffin and all the other players are like a son to Les, and I dont expect him to cut ties. Nor anyone else on the team.
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I totally agree Guinness. If he is guilty I do not condone it and agree he should be suspended and removed from the team IF found guilty. Ruffin has, however, been a credit and role model while at Bradley and, if he handles the situation properly and takes responsibility and apologizes IF guilty, then he should be forgiven by Bradley Nation (just not allowed to play again.

IF he is guilty he needs to own up, apologize, and do some VERY VISIBLE community service with regards to domestic violence. It is not to late to preserve and protect the Daniel Ruffin legacy at BU. What he does and says in the next few days will determine his BU future.
 
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Let's not speculate about his personal life.

People can still work, even if they have a record, and they can still play pro ball.

I believe there are more than one level of battery charge, so it could be a misdemeanor or felony depending on other factors that are not known yet. In fact very little about this case is known yet, so why are we speculating about issues like this when we don't even know if it applies here?

But this is the kind of speculating that we will ask that posters not discuss in these forums. Daniel has not been proven guilty of anything yet, and we have discussions going about whether his criminal record will affect his job or playing career.

This kind of speculation will not be allowed here. If anyone finds they have had a post removed, that is likely the reason. We will not be notifying posters or debating the decision of the moderators on this.
 
BU FAMILY said:
Here's the brief story posted at 1470wmbd.com:

A star Bradley basketball player has been arrested for domestic battery. Peoria Police took 23 year old Daniel Ruffin into custody about 5:30 this morning at his apartment at 908 North Frink. A police report says Ruffin was arrested for use of hands and feet. Police say the 20 year old female victim was taken to OSF St. Francis Medical Center. A spokesman for the hospital says the victim is not a patient there now. Ruffin remains in the Peoria County jail. Bradley plays Wisconsin-Milwaukee tonight in a Bracketbusters game. Ruffin's status for the game in unknown at this time.
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UGGGHHHH!!!! I can't believe what I'm reading here!

But, I kid you not. I actually woke up at 5:30 this morning with a migraine headache! I'm not making this up! In hindsight, that might have been the Bradley basketball Gods trying to tell me something!

Well, we are going to play without him next year anyway. Let's hope the experience this team gained when he was out with his injury and the strides we have made the last few weeks will at least get us through these next two home games so we can get into the postseason.

But I'm still flabbergasted that Ruffin could have potentially done something this stupid that may have irreversably damaged any future basketball career! Well, I guess we just have to wait for all of the facts to come out and hope this was just a tragic missunderstanding. But if not, Ruffin deserves whatever punishment he has coming to him.
 
abesimpson said:
Couple other thoughts...

I'm pretty sure Ruffin got a degree in Sociology and wanted to get into social work (thought I read that somewhere), have to wonder if everything turns out to be true and his fault, will he ever be able to get into that line of work with a domestic battery on his record? Is that a felony or misdemenor? Does anyone think this would impact him playing pro in Europe? If it's a felony, he is going to be SOL trying to get a post-basketball job.
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Domestic Battery is generally a misdemeanor unless there's serious injury to a victim or other aggravating factors.

If a person is found guilty of domestic battery by law they cannot receive a sentence of court supervision...that is its a misdemeanor conviction that will forever be on their record.

Many times, depending on the location and other factors, first time offenders will have the offense amended to a charge of misdemeanor simple battery so they can receive a sentence of supervision.

I agree with earlier posts saying Bradley shouldn't wash their hands of Daniel. The problem is one of timing. There's only three games and the MVC left...I don't think there's time for this matter to be resolved before the season is over. I honestly have no idea at this point what they should do about Senior Night.

***I light of DC's earlier post just want to edit and emphasize that I'm discussing the charge of domestic battery in general and I'm not speculating at all about Ruffin's legal situation and what will become of it.
 
Ruff would certainly be able to play overseas if convicted of DV. He just wouldn't be able to leave the US if he's convicted and on probation. There's many pro players that have records and get in trouble all the time while playing in the US and overseas. As for his Social work, there is many areas of Social work he could get a job in. From a school counselor to helping troubled youth to working with domestic violence shelters. Obviously I don't think he'll be working with any domestic violence stuff now, but he could certainly work in other sections of Social Work. However, with Ruffin being one of Bradley's all time best PG's, I don't think he would have a problem finding an overseas team that would pay him double the amount of Social Work starting salary. I'll reserve my judgement of what happened in this incident. If she was truly beat with his hands & feet (kicking probably) then he needs to do the time and won't be looked upon highly by me. However if it was just a simple push and she got a little red mark on her arm then she's probably just after his potential. We should be able to find out the seriousness as the days go on but for now, this team has to move on into post Ruffin era.

Jason


abesimpson said:
Couple other thoughts...

I'm pretty sure Ruffin got a degree in Sociology and wanted to get into social work (thought I read that somewhere), have to wonder if everything turns out to be true and his fault, will he ever be able to get into that line of work with a domestic battery on his record? Is that a felony or misdemenor? Does anyone think this would impact him playing pro in Europe? If it's a felony, he is going to be SOL trying to get a post-basketball job.
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That's true Rick but the Duke case took over a year to resolve and the students were suspended that whole time. In fact, I think the whole Lacross team was halted that season. Ruffin's case will not be resolved in the next month, it's ultimately up to Les and the BU Admin. to let Ruffin back.

Jason


BU RICK said:
Remember the 'Duke Case'? They were judged guilty by many before being proved innocent. We have to wait to get the facts, DR could be back. :(
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VromanFan said:
Domestic Battery is generally a misdemeanor unless there's serious injury to a victim or other aggravating factors.

If a person is found guilty of domestic battery by law they cannot receive a sentence of court supervision...that is its a misdemeanor conviction that will forever be on their record.

Many times, depending on the location and other factors, first time offenders will have the offense amended to a charge of misdemeanor simple battery so they can receive a sentence of supervision.

I agree with earlier posts saying Bradley shouldn't wash their hands of Daniel. The problem is one of timing. There's only three games and the MVC left...I don't think there's time for this matter to be resolved before the season is over. I honestly have no idea at this point what they should do about Senior Night.

***I light of DC's earlier post just want to edit and emphasize that I'm discussing the charge of domestic battery in general and I'm not speculating at all about Ruffin's legal situation and what will become of it.
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I think he should be honored at Senior Night....IF he either is guilty and apologizes in front of the crowd, or if he is innocent and he is insistant he did not actually "kick and punch" this woman.

But if he is guilty, yes his basketball career at Bradley is finished.
 
A very serious and unfortunate situation, not just for Daniel, but also for the person making the charges.

At this point, specualtion is pointless. Let's set the example of the behavior that we are so quick to give to others and not begin jumping to speculative conclusions. What we do know is that there is a game tonight and the program needs our support.
 
Da Coach said:
Let's not speculate about his personal life.

People can still work, even if they have a record, and they can still play pro ball.

I believe there are more than one level of battery charge, so it could be a misdemeanor or felony depending on other factors that are not known yet. In fact very little about this case is known yet, so why are we speculating about issues like this when we don't even know if it applies here?

But this is the kind of speculating that we will ask that posters not discuss in these forums. Daniel has not been proven guilty of anything yet, and we have discussions going about whether his criminal record will affect his job or playing career.

This kind of speculation will not be allowed here. If anyone finds they have had a post removed, that is likely the reason. We will not be notifying posters or debating the decision of the moderators on this.
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Sorry Coach, I'm not trying to speculate or imply he's guilty or start any rumors, just thinking out-loud about what it all could mean and how serious it is. With such a brief news report and the fact that it's Ruffin, it's hard not to wonder.

I've heard about different things that drop players in draft positions and such in the US and wondered if that could happen in Europe cause I don't follow European ball. As for other jobs, I know of many places (including where I work) that won't even let people with felony records cut the grass. So that's why I posted the questions.
 
I apologize for joining the discussion a little late. This is extremely disappointing. Not only the loss the team suffers by not having DR on the court, but the negativity that will now surround our program. I am also really surprised that DR would do such a thing. I don't want to make excuses for him, nor do I want to jump the the conclusion that he's guilty. But I will say that it doesn't make sense. Daniel has always been a pretty good guy, so it would seem. I do know he already has a kid of his own, a daughter I believe, and other than the academic problems he had coming in as a freshman, he has never run in to such a problem. On the court, I don't know how we can replace him.
 
I too am late to the game with this one. When I found out, I first was in denial, then all I felt was disgust. It is not our place, nor the media's, to decided guilt or innocence in the case of the domestic battery, but I agree that, as a senior, captain, star, etc., it was Daniel's responsibility to not put himself (and his team) in a place where this could even be possible.

At this point, I just feel bad for JC, Matt and the rest of the team -- what a way to ruin the rest of the season, including Senior Night and the MVC Tourney.

Whatever we may feel about this, what's important right now, tonight, is that we go out and support the players who are not in county lock up. They'll need all the lift they can get.
 
This is another case of we have not heard both sides of the story; I would like to hear at least what Daniel says happened before reaching any conclusions, domestic dispute cases are usually not as bad as what initial reports come out so lets at least give him the benefit of the doubt , hopefully this will all get straightened out by sunday.

I am starting to wonder if our program is jinxed as of all the injuries and other setbacks we continue to have, I can only hope that are players can focus on the game tonight as we try to move on from yet another major distraction.
 
I have posted my opinion numerous places, and it is consistent time, and time, and time again.....unlike the opinions of people who are self serving.
I said BU holds its athletes to standards higher than apparently most other institutions do.
I don't know if the charges have any validity, but I applaud that the school has acted immediately unlike, as Da Coach said, other schools.

If domestic issues automatically disqualify a person for life from any useful or gainful activity, then schools like Memphis and Mizzou wouldn't have enough players to field a team.
This is a rare event at BU and the school is dealing properly with it.
None of us knows the truth, so I, for one, don't plan to judge the kid based on hearsay, like apparently most people do.

Again, few people on any message board have been as consistent in any arena as I have been in this one.
The athletes should and must behave or they forfeit their right to play ball for the school. Most schools don't do it that way, most just ignore the offenses until they happen repeatedly and the coach is forced by public pressure to act. Anyone remember the 4 or 5 times Mike Taylor ran afoul of the law at Iowa State, and the multiple DUI's at certain schools, and the 6-8 players at Memphis who have had repeated serious legal issues, and the felonies at Georgia and UIUC?
It's never been about the players, it has been about the ridiculously soft discipline and phony lip-service zero-tolerance policies that coaches don't have the guts to enforce since they covet the wins and the talent more than the discipline.
That simply does NOT happen at BU and the difference is clear to anyone who wants to see it.
 
Da Coach said:
Guinness, you hit it on the head.
Maybe some fans will never be able to forgive a player for something like this, but many fans and certainly the coaches accept these kids like they are their own kids.

If something like this happened to your own kid you would never think of turning your back on them. The case must be allowed to play out, and I trust things will be handled properly. But we will still be supportive of Daniel.
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Fans do not owe the players the same level of support they would give thier own family. 99% of the people on here dont know Daniel Ruffin at all or anything about him other than he is good at basketball and to this point stayed out of public trouble. If we wasnt on the basketball team but just a regular student how much support would he get? Also he is 23 and a college graduate he is not a kid by any standard.
 
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