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Rule Change Rumored

tornado

tornado

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It is being rumored that NBA head David Stern and NCAA head Myles Brand will be making a HUGE announcement tomorrow.

The press that is at the Final Four are being given a press release stating:

"that NCAA President Myles Brand and NBA Commissioner David Stern are
"to make a major announcement" at a joint press conference here at 2 p.m. on Monday."


"Speculation is the announcement could be that the league is raising the age
limit for players coming into the NBA from 19 to 20, meaning a player must have
have two years of college basketball, or an equivalent, before joining the
professional ranks."
http://johnclay.typepad.com/sidelines/2008/04/nba-2-year-rule.html



However....the subject of the announcement is NOT known, and some believe it will NOT be anything to do with the age limit.
Some believe the announcement will be a joint venture between the NBA and NCAA to promote youth sports and to keep money hungry shoe companies, etc. out of sports as detailed here:
http://www.ibj.com/html/detail_page.asp?content=12528
 
I think there was a little about this before selection Sunday. Some are saying if this happens that it will really hurt the mid-majors, because the BCS teams would get better with the all-stars in the fold for 2 years.
 
bigdaddystuck said:
I think there was a little about this before selection Sunday. Some are saying if this happens that it will really hurt the mid-majors, because the BCS teams would get better with the all-stars in the fold for 2 years.
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That would make sense... but refresh me on the ruling of graduation rates. Schools could lose schollies or something based on poor graduation rates? And how long does a person have to graduate - 5 years, 10 years?

I don't recall. (I bet T knows)
 
bigdaddystuck said:
I think there was a little about this before selection Sunday. Some are saying if this happens that it will really hurt the mid-majors, because the BCS teams would get better with the all-stars in the fold for 2 years.
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I can see why people would say this, but I'm not sure I buy it. If these talented superstars are forced to play in college for an extra year, wouldn't that create less open spots on the BCS schools for the top incoming recruits, forcing at least a few of them to give more consideration to mid-major schools? It would seem that way to me anyway.
 
amettrick said:
I can see why people would say this, but I'm not sure I buy it. If these talented superstars are forced to play in college for an extra year, wouldn't that create less open spots on the BCS schools for the top incoming recruits, forcing at least a few of them to give more consideration to mid-major schools? It would seem that way to me anyway.
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Actually... I'd say no.

There won't be extra spots at (let's say for couple of this year's superstars at Kans St, Memphis, IU, USC and UCLA), so these next year of players will filter to more BCS schools like at Iowa St, Minnesota, Cincy, Oregon St, Virginia, etc.

So all BCS schools will get better.

Still leaving the mids to get the 4 yr players. But now with fewer chances to beat BCS schools cause they will have more 4-5 star players.

I am only thinking this is just one way this could play out.

But let's think about 4-5 star players that have trouble with the books. Some could work really, really hard just to get into a school and currently only need to work really, really hard for one semester... then they could start blowing off school cause they were bolting. But if they have to work really, really hard for 1 1/2 years... hmmm. I don't know.
 
MacabreMob said:
Actually... I'd say no.

There won't be extra spots at (let's say for couple of this year's superstars at Kans St, Memphis, IU, USC and UCLA), so these next year of players will filter to more BCS schools like at Iowa St, Minnesota, Cincy, Oregon St, Virginia, etc.

So all BCS schools will get better.

Still leaving the mids to get the 4 yr players. But now with fewer chances to beat BCS schools cause they will have more 4-5 star players.

I am only thinking this is just one way this could play out.

But let's think about 4-5 star players that have trouble with the books. Some could work really, really hard just to get into a school and currently only need to work really, really hard for one semester... then they could start blowing off school cause they were bolting. But if they have to work really, really hard for 1 1/2 years... hmmm. I don't know.
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Well if those players filter down to the lesser BCS schools, there are still some pretty talented players on those teams too and some of those kids will be pushed out. I think the trickle down effect will lead to some better players on mid-major teams, which should at least help to balanance things out a little bit. I guess there's not really any way to know for sure until it happens.

You're probably right about the grades thing though. It could definitely lead to some interesting developments.
 
I really don't see the point in this, they are still not going to graduate with 2 years in instead of 1. These players have one thing on there mind and thats the NBA. They don't care about education or the college life.

Jason
 
I don't see this happening tomorrow. I can see where they may state tomorrow they will TRY to change the rule. Correct me if I'm wrong, but any change in the rule has to be incorporated into the NBA's contract with its players' union.
 
no real difference

no real difference

I for one don't see the difference. According to draftexpress.com we're talking about 12 freshmen this year and that's if they all come out. 12 guys that would have to stay for one extra year? That doesn't sound like a major shakeup on who goes where to me. What it sounds like is a guy coming off the bench as a sixth man at the top 12 programs in the country (Sherron Collins, Danny Green) versus being a starter right off the bat.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2008/
 
It will be a trickle-down effect that I don't think will have the negative effect on mids that some think it will. The 3 point line moving in concerns me more.
 
tornado said:
It is being rumored that NBA head David Stern and NCAA head Myles Brand will be making a HUGE announcement tomorrow.

The press that is at the Final Four are being given a press release stating:

"that NCAA President Myles Brand and NBA Commissioner David Stern are
"to make a major announcement" at a joint press conference here at 2 p.m. on Monday."


"Speculation is the announcement could be that the league is raising the age
limit for players coming into the NBA from 19 to 20, meaning a player must have
have two years of college basketball, or an equivalent, before joining the
professional ranks."
http://johnclay.typepad.com/sidelines/2008/04/nba-2-year-rule.html



However....the subject of the announcement is NOT known, and some believe it will NOT be anything to do with the age limit.
Some believe the announcement will be a joint venture between the NBA and NCAA to promote youth sports and to keep money hungry shoe companies, etc. out of sports as detailed here:
http://www.ibj.com/html/detail_page.asp?content=12528
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I can't see how this is legal, why can't a person be allowed to make a living no matter how old they are (at least the legal age for hiring) whether it's from basketball or working the assembly line a Komatsu.
 
Murph said:
I can't see how this is legal, why can't a person be allowed to make a living no matter how old they are (at least the legal age for hiring) whether it's from basketball or working the assembly line a Komatsu.
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It is perfectly legal. Private entities can set whatever employment requirements they want as long as they're not discriminatory. The NFL has done something similar for years, so the likelihood of this being challenged on 'age discrimination' are slim.
 
Murph said:
I can't see how this is legal, why can't a person be allowed to make a living no matter how old they are (at least the legal age for hiring) whether it's from basketball or working the assembly line a Komatsu.
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Mike Radigan said:
I don't see this happening tomorrow. I can see where they may state tomorrow they will TRY to change the rule. Correct me if I'm wrong, but any change in the rule has to be incorporated into the NBA's contract with its players' union.
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They have a legal contract with their players' union. This has already been tested in the courts.
 
Mike is right. The Union and the league would need to negotiate this in their next contract. Most NBA players would be fine with this because it gives them another year without the additional talent to compete against and there will be some concession given to the senior players also.
 
SanFranciscoPete said:
Mike is right. The Union and the league would need to negotiate this in their next contract. Most NBA players would be fine with this because it gives them another year without the additional talent to compete against and there will be some concession given to the senior players also.
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You are 1/2 right. The NBA had to fight the players to get the rule change, eventhough it helps the vets. Maybe if more of them had gone to college (or class), then they could understand that.

I've heard that Stern is trying to push for the 2 year/20 yr old players, which would be great for the NBA and probably good for college basketball (Texas with Durant again this year!).

I really don't see this hurting mid-majors that much. Beasley is the best prospect in the NCAA right now and his team didn't do much (like Durant last year). You still had Oden (and Rose this year) on a better team that did well of course. In the end, the big programs will still get the good prospects, and the smaller schools will have a lot more project players.
 
The 3 point line is moving out not in and if players stay in college 1 more year then there will be extra players that would trickle down to the other schools.
 
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