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Scottie Pippen to HOF
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For those that didn't see Scottie Pippen's induction to the HOF there's some good video on this link, about a dozen videos.
http://www.nba.com/bulls/history/pippen_hof2010.html
http://www.nba.com/bulls/history/pippen_hof2010.html
Did they show a replay of him refusing take the floor because he wasn't getting the last shot?
I was upset about that for a few weeks but he was just too good a person/player to stay mad at.
He received zero scholarship offers coming out of high school. Enrolled at the University of Central Arkansas as a 6-1 walk-on freshman/team manager and grew 6". It's a great story.
Don't care about that. A good person/player is also a team player and he proved, IMO anyway, he wasn't. No "i" in the word team.
The man was the best support player in history, how can you say he wasn't a team player???? One incident doesn't make a man.
Not saying he wasn't a good player, but I think MJ and the Bulls could have won without him. It was easy to be a "team player" on any team MJ was on. The one incident proved he wanted to be the "man", but don't remember the Bulls winning after MJ left.
Funny that Scottie and Phil were also absent when the Bulls stop winning. Name one player that has one without a great supporting guy. Kobe had Gasol and Shaq, Wade had Shaq, Duncan had Parker, Magic had Kareem, Bird and Parish et. al, the pistons had several great players, speak in hypotheticals all you want, but to say the Scottie wasn't a team player or that removing him and the Bulls would have been anywhere close to what they were is clearly completely overwhelmed by a personal bias.
houstontxbrave
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The whole thing with Pippen and not going in was certainly very self centered and embarassing. And Kukoc hitting the shot was even more embarassing for Pippen, but it does not define his entire career or what he gave the Chicago.
There is absolutely no way the Bulls win 6 NBA titles without Pippen on that roster. Jordan was great but he just like James, he could not win alone or with a role player cast of teammates.
The Bulls did not win withouth MJ but Pippen took them to the Eastern conference finals and if they dont get a crap call on a jump shot they likely go to the finals and play the Rockets.
You can say what you want about Pippen and his self centeredness but his play was a huge part of why the Bulls won and got to 6 finals.
No way the Bulls beat the Lakers in 91 without Scottie shutting Magic down.
No way the Bulls beat the Riley Knicks without Pippen there.
And there is absolutely no way the Bulls win 72 games without Scottie.
tornado
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and every year some team starts out hot like Orlando, the Celtics, Heat, Lakers...and everyone starts predicting they're gonna finish with more than 72 wins...but it never happens...
Now we hear it's gonna happen again in Miami....sure, I'll believe it when I see it...
If that Heat team wins more than 72, I will eat a hat.
I don't know if it is because it was recent that people think it is so easily achievable...but losing 10 games all year is **** near impossible. That is one record, along with Ripken and DiMaggio, that I would be astonished to see broken.
Speaking of baseball, that would be like a baseball team going 142-20. Or only losing 10 games halfway through the year.
Right, I have a personal bias when a so-called teammate won't leave the bench because he isn't called upon to be the star of the day. I have as much respect for him as I do a player who won't come on the floor for the National Athem.
Agreed about Pippen. I always thought he was selfish and self-centered. He was important to the Bulls, but you could argue Rodman, Grant, Paxson, Hodges, etc. were also very important.
Teams win championships. Pippen was important to the Bulls' success. He was also a real horses *#@
Haha, so one selfish moment is the same as that? I need to stick to my rule to only get in debates where logic is applied.
In the case of all those other "supporting cast", including Pippen, when they played without Michael Jordan, or when they were traded and played with other teams and other "stars", they never had numbers or success like they did when playing with MJ. The same goes for many other Bulls players, many of whom made some All-Star teams with the Bulls (but never elsewhere), or ended up signing huge contracts because other teams thought they were better than they really were. BJ Armstrong, Bill Cartwright, Horace Grant, Scott Williams, Bill Wennington, Luc Longley, Tony Kukoc, and others, all had less success elsewhere once they left the Bulls. MJ was the one and only true superstar, and he made stars out of a lot of average players who made an awful lot of money off the association with MJ. And I believe he made a HOF'er out of Pippen, who was actually otherwise a slightly better than average NBA talent.
Didn't say it was the same, but both show lack of respect.
Out of Balance
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The bench thing may not be as bad as not staying on the floor for the N.A. in my views but its a very close second and I bet his teammates lost a lot of respect towards him and rightfully so:!: It just seems players can do things outside/breaking team rules and put themselfs before the team, as Pit did to his team, then all they have to do is apologize, look sad and say a half ass, I am sorry and all is forgiven and good. BS:!: A perfect example, what that over paid Cub pitcher did to his teammates and coach's, this year:roll:
MJ was already there. All the rest were either drafted, traded for, or picked up as free agents by one of our very own, "Once a Brave, Always a Brave", Jerry Krause. He built those championship teams and still doesn't get enough credit for it. He found Pippen when nobody else was looking at him. Really enjoyed watching Pippen play.
Have fun at the ballgame tonight, looking forward to the pictures and video that will be posted.
Pippen's line the years before and after MJ's absence:
PPG REB AST STL FG%
18.6 7.7 6.3 2.1 .473
19.4 6.5 5.9 1.7 .463
When MJ was gone:
PPG REB AST STL FG%
22.0 8.7 5.6 2.9 .491
21.4 8.1 5.2 2.9 .480
When MJ was gone Pippen had markedly better years, All-NBA career-type years as a matter of fact, and got the Bulls deep in the playoffs with no sort of sidekick. So how do you justify with any sort of factual basis, heck even anything more than pure conjecture, that he was only above average talent?
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