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[Buesch N Chips]

Jank without question deserved the T---I would hope Les would have been smarter at that point of the game---but let's keep giving Les more chances and making excuses for him. Carry on.

Not sure I am making excuses for anyone. From where I sat Les was partially in, partially out, which I believe means you are in. But the T was for stomping his foot, as T said. I wonder if that is specified in the rules for a bench warning. If it is, Les deserved the T.

 

[wily coyote]

It looked to me like he was half in half out, which I think means you are in. And quite honestly, what WE did on that play was so dumb I could hardly believe my eyes.

Which ref called the T?

Everything else in your post I pretty much agree. We played really well at times but our breakdowns are legendary.

BNC not sure what you mean when you say' he was half in half out which means you are in." IF you are talking about the coaches box and I think you are, you are wrong. If he is half in half out he IS OUT. I didn't agree with the "T" UNLES it was because he was out of the box and only the official who made the call can tell us why the "T" and thats going to happen. If it was because of stomping his foot,it was a horrible call. JL was stomping to get Wills attention to get down the floor. The official who called the "T" heard the stomping and did not see JL trying to get Wills arse going to the defensive end of the floor. Will was taking his merry time probably because he botched up that situation. Bottom line MAKE FREE THROWS and we win no OT.

 

[wily coyote]

good grief....why would he come to this game?

Must not have had anything better to do. Had to get out of the house.

 

[wily coyote]

that was one of the most horribly missed calls I have ever witnessed....
the ball is tossed to Rubin, who gets bumped while standing flat-footed with both feet planted and holding the ball...
he gets knocked off balance, and has to shuffle his feet backwards taking at least TWO full steps from his flat-footed planted position -- all while holding onto the ball, then he unloads the ball while in the midst of taking the third backwards step...and the only call that was made was for the ref to hear something on the sidelines and whistle a "T" on JL....
Even Rubin knew he had traveled and stopped playing and looked for the whistle that never came...

Anyone who says refs don't lose games for teams has got to be either lying or stupid.

I don't think I'm" lying or stupid" but I will tell you what loses games. Missing 4 free throws in the guts of a game and if you don't believe that someone has to be lying or STUPID.

 

[wily coyote]

They didn't lose this game for us......we lost it...you are up 8 with the ball and a 1:19 left? You have to win that game period.

For every call that went against us there was one against them just as bad and just as important....it was a poorly played and officiated game..

Lefty, I couldn't have said this any better. That game was probably the worst officiated game I've seen in years,but it was horrible for both teams. Make one FT in the guts of the gameand none of this is an issue.

 

[LittleBrave]

At least he's doing something outside of the box...since he's not thinking that way to help us get our 1st conference W. :lol:

 

[dogsrus]

I didn't get a good look at it on Channelsurfing, but it looked to me like JL had come out on the floor a little while the game was going on when he stomped or did whatever caught the eye of the official. My guess is when the offficial turned around to see what was being done by JL, and saw JL in what appeared to me to be on the floor, the T flew....

At the end of the day, poor play by DD and DSE, miserable free throw shooting, turnovers, stupid fouls, getting away from what gave BU the big leads in the game, chucking up shots, not getting enough touches for AW for the last 33 minutes of the FH, WE's gaffe, DD launching 3's when he can't make FT's....

This was a catastrophe waiting to happen. Like watching a car wreck, everything moved in slow motion to the inevitable end.

BU put itself in a position to be punished by bad officiating.....period.....

BTW....Officials gave BU every chance to put this away in the 2H with all the fouls they called on ISU after spanking BU in the FH ...

AZ...Jim was facing our basket...the ref was darn near to midcourt and NEVER looked at JL. He heard JL stomp his foot and raised his arms to T him up then turned toward JL.

Had he turned to look at what JL was stomping about he could have seen Jim waving his arms at WE to get up and get back in the game.....the ball had been fumbled and had Will got up right away he might have recovered it for an EASY score.

Jim WAS frustrated but with Will NOT the ref.

 

[Beninator]

AZ...Jim was facing our basket...the ref was darn near to midcourt and NEVER looked at JL. He heard JL stomp his foot and raised his arms to T him up then turned toward JL.

Had he turned to look at what JL was stomping about he could have seen Jim waving his arms at WE to get up and get back in the game.....the ball had been fumbled and had Will got up right away he might have recovered it for an EASY score.

Jim WAS frustrated but with Will NOT the ref.

That is exactly the way I saw the situation as well!

 

[wily coyote]

AZ...Jim was facing our basket...the ref was darn near to midcourt and NEVER looked at JL. He heard JL stomp his foot and raised his arms to T him up then turned toward JL.

Had he turned to look at what JL was stomping about he could have seen Jim waving his arms at WE to get up and get back in the game.....the ball had been fumbled and had Will got up right away he might have recovered it for an EASY score.

Jim WAS frustrated but with Will NOT the ref.

That is exactly what happened. I don't believe JL deserved the T but it sure was costly.

 

[dogsrus]

BNC not sure what you mean when you say' he was half in half out which means you are in." IF you are talking about the coaches box and I think you are, you are wrong. If he is half in half out he IS OUT. I didn't agree with the "T" UNLES it was because he was out of the box and only the official who made the call can tell us why the "T" and thats going to happen. If it was because of stomping his foot,it was a horrible call. JL was stomping to get Wills attention to get down the floor. The official who called the "T" heard the stomping and did not see JL trying to get Wills arse going to the defensive end of the floor. Will was taking his merry time probably because he botched up that situation. Bottom line MAKE FREE THROWS and we win no OT.

The official finally looked at Jim and did some stomping of HIS foot motion to show Jim why he got the T. So the T appeared to be for what he heard becuase had he looked he would have noticed, like you said, Jim was CLEARLY telling WE to get up.

 

[BU RICK]

I need help on this :? What's a foot stomp in basketball coaching terms, this is the first year I'm hearing about stomping the foot. I usually do that to get the snow off my shoes or lightly if my foots asleep while wiggling the toes. Does a foot stomp signify something derogatory towards an official like displeasure. Does a foot stomp always get a technical. I would think the best way to communicate with someone in a noisy stadium would be to cup each hand at the side of the mouth and holler at that person in an instructional manner and then point with the hands.

 

[lefty]

I need help on this :? What's a foot stomp in basketball coaching terms, this is the first year I'm hearing about stomping the foot. I usually do that to get the snow off my shoes or lightly if my foots asleep while wiggling the toes. Does a foot stomp signify something derogatory towards an official like displeasure. Does a foot stomp always get a technical. I would think the best way to communicate with someone in a noisy stadium would be to cup each hand at the side of the mouth and holler at that person in an instructional manner and then point with the hands.

quite a few coaches use the foot stomp....my all time favorite was Rich Herrin..many coaches fold their arms at the same time(like Bruce Weber) so it must help with the amount of force foot to floor

 

[Beninator]

Maybe we need these guys for our next home game?:mrgreen:

 

[SaintLouBrave22]

I need help on this :? What's a foot stomp in basketball coaching terms, this is the first year I'm hearing about stomping the foot. I usually do that to get the snow off my shoes or lightly if my foots asleep while wiggling the toes. Does a foot stomp signify something derogatory towards an official like displeasure. Does a foot stomp always get a technical. I would think the best way to communicate with someone in a noisy stadium would be to cup each hand at the side of the mouth and holler at that person in an instructional manner and then point with the hands.

Maybe someone can correct me, but I believe the previous Jim received more than his share of T's stomping his feet...


Oh and where I stand on this (again):


Les was clearly out of the box as I saw him on the floor so that would deserve a T IF that's what the official were giving him one for which he wasn't...


While I don't disagree that stomping shouldn't get you a T even if you're doing it at an official (what are they 6 yrs old)...

I will state my original point...

Why are you yelling at anyone in any manner up by 8 with a little over a minute to go...let him get back down the court, and if he doesn't, yank him and give instruction on why you don't do what he did...


The entire display was incredibly detrimental when all he had to do was pull Will aside like most coaches would do...

I just don't believe it was the right way to go about things, but then again I never felt like screaming got me to play any harder or any better for any of my coaches...

 

[Buesch N Chips]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekRCrcCjESw

 

[mrcoachdude]

Wow did those guys travel or what????

 

[thefish7]

Wow did those guys travel or what????

No no no. Clearly they just had a kind discussion, perhaps a summit if you will, as to what should happen with the ball next.

 

[BuB]

I will state my original point...

Why are you yelling at anyone in any manner up by 8 with a little over a minute to go...let him get back down the court, and if he doesn't, yank him and give instruction on why you don't do what he did...


The entire display was incredibly detrimental when all he had to do was pull Will aside like most coaches would do...

I just don't believe it was the right way to go about things, but then again I never felt like screaming got me to play any harder or any better for any of my coaches...

I will take s stab at this. I believe Jim was yelling at Will to get up because he knew that our lead was not big enough. He did not want ISU to have a 5 on 4 advantage in a close game with little time left. Will stayed on the floor to long and was not hurt. So Jim tried to get his attention.

The time to pull Will over and have a talk is during a time out. I am sure Les knows that no lead is ever safe with our team and we need all 5 guys playing defense and not laying on the ground looking for a call. Obviously I don't know what he is thinking but I bet I am close.

 

[mrcoachdude]

you'll notice on the replay that there were a couple of other coaches getting up to encourage Will to get up...

 

[wily coyote]

quite a few coaches use the foot stomp....my all time favorite was Rich Herrin..many coaches fold their arms at the same time(like Bruce Weber) so it must help with the amount of force foot to floor

My all time favorite foot stomper was a coach you may have heard of. A coach named Chuck Buescher