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The legacy of Title IX

Cocch why is this a Title IX legacy? These programs probably cost the school money regardless of Title IX. The only sports that drive positive revenue are basketball and for the large programs football. Giving women the same access to sports has been very positive and it will be a matter of time before one of their sports start generating revenue for their schools (volleyball or even basketball perhaps). If you are talking about elimination of some men's program as a legacy let's also bring out the positive.
 
Please don't take this as a sexist remark, but I don't see any women's sports (across the board) ever becoming consistent generators of revenue. I think the concept behind Title IX is great. The fact remains that until women (as a large group, not individually) start caring about sports more than other perfectly relevant topics (entertainment, the arts, etc.), women's sports aren't going to draw well. Men aren't going to start attending women's events because there is a general perception that the quality of women's sports is subpar to men's. That might be grossly incorrect and possibly sexist, but it's just the way it is and I don't see anything changing anytime soon. That's the biased society we live in today.

I think Title IX's "spirit of the law" is great, but the "letter of the law" might possibly be hurting schools. At least, I think that is what DC was getting at?
 
Pete...because most D-I schools do football, and they love doing football because it is a big fan draw and makes $$ for the schools.
But TITLE IX requires they have roughly the same proportion of students on scholarship Male vs. Female as there is in the student population.
Thus....if they have 60-80 males on FB scholarships, they have to either think up a WHOLE BUNCH more womens sports or they have to axe mens sports.

It is NOT about funding, it is about being required/FORCED to comply with title IX, therefore mens sports (and thus mens' opportunities to play college sports or get scholarships) MUST GO!
 
SanFranciscoPete said:
Cocch why is this a Title IX legacy? These programs probably cost the school money regardless of Title IX. The only sports that drive positive revenue are basketball and for the large programs football. Giving women the same access to sports has been very positive and it will be a matter of time before one of their sports start generating revenue for their schools (volleyball or even basketball perhaps). If you are talking about elimination of some men's program as a legacy let's also bring out the positive.
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If you don't think title IX has played a significant part in this, I wish you could talk to any D1 athletic director about it. Privately they will tell you it is a major, though not the only reason.
 
BUBraves2006 said:
...Men aren't going to start attending women's events because there is a general perception that the quality of women's sports is subpar to men's. That might be grossly incorrect and possibly sexist, but it's just the way it is and I don't see anything changing anytime soon. That's the biased society we live in today.
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The quality of women's sports is absolutely subpar to men's. The Mid State 6 boys champs would easily defeat the WNBA champs every year. No bias here, just a fact.
 
AE Braves Fan said:
The quality of women's sports is absolutely subpar to men's. The Mid State 6 boys champs would easily defeat the WNBA champs every year. No bias here, just a fact.
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I would agree that mens sports are better than womens, but this is tantamount to saying BU should be playing in the Galesburg sectional. Just dumb and uneducated.
 
AE Braves Fan said:
The quality of women's sports is absolutely subpar to men's. The Mid State 6 boys champs would easily defeat the WNBA champs every year. No bias here, just a fact.
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How about them taking on the women's NCAA Champ? Now that would be a decent game. Have you been to a WNBA game AE? I'd like to hear JL's opinion on this!
 
You can count the number of players that can dunk in the WNBA on one hand. And when I say dunk, I mean the lamest one-handed barely get the ball over the rim dunk.

The athleticism of the MS6 champs would be too much to handle. But I'm sure the WNBA 'stars' could put on a lovely free throw shooting display.

There's a reason why no one goes to the women's games even when encouraged with free admission and 10 cent hotdogs...
 
AE - you are very wrong.

edit: Too bad this conversation has gone down the toilet. Maybe we can take it back to more of an intellectual level.
 
No, you wouldn't go to a women's game if you are hoping to see dunks.
It is a different game. It is possible to learn to appreciate the women's game, as I have in the last few years. It will never draw fans like the men's game does, and will never achieve the same level of athleticism. But there will always be a place for some women's athletics.

I am just against what Title IX does.

Colleges are forced to create women's sports like badminton and other silly sports, and award scholarships to women who have never played the sport before, just to reach compliance with the tenets of Title IX. At the same time they give full athletic scholarships for artificial sports like badminton, they are eliminating popular men's sports like soccer (Illinois, Illinois State, and many large football schools do not have soccer), swimming, and wrestling. No wonder US athletes are losing ground to international athletes in many sports.
 
Da Coach said:
No, you wouldn't go to a women's game if you are hoping to see dunks.
It is a different game. It is possible to learn to appreciate the women's game, as I have in the last few years. It will never draw fans like the men's game does, and will never achieve the same level of athleticism. But there will always be a place for some women's athletics.

I am just against what Title IX does.

Colleges are forced to create women's sports like badminton and other silly sports, and award scholarships to women who have never played the sport before, just to reach compliance with the tenets of Title IX. At the same time they give full athletic scholarships for artificial sports like badminton, they are eliminating popular men's sports like soccer (Illinois, Illinois State, and many large football schools do not have soccer), swimming, and wrestling. No wonder US athletes are losing ground to international athletes in many sports.
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Understand I am not a big fan of Title IX (imagine that). But I only aske cause I don't know... we are losing ground to international athletes in men's sports... but since we have added many new (artificial) female sports, have we gained any ground with female international athletes? (the women's soccer winning the Gold a few years ago... any other notable wins?)
 
Women's softball, track and field, Volleyball (they do look great in those bikini) outdoor.

It is also adding a component to our society. Women in the past were asked to play only individual sports (i.e. figure skating, tennis) now with Title IX they are playing team sports and learning what men have all along been doing co-existing without being catty. The younger women are going to learn how to play nice with each other and it will make a difference in our work force and society in a whole. How many times have you seen women in the workforce nothelp each other out and frankly be reallly mean to each other? I believe Titile IX will help IMHO.

I hope I did not just open another large can of worms.
 
SanFranciscoPete said:
Women's softball, track and field, Volleyball (they do look great in those bikini) outdoor.

It is also adding a component to our society. Women in the past were asked to play only individual sports (i.e. figure skating, tennis) now with Title IX they are playing team sports and learning what men have all along been doing co-existing without being catty. The younger women are going to learn how to play nice with each other and it will make a difference in our work force and society in a whole. How many times have you seen women in the workforce nothelp each other out and frankly be reallly mean to each other? I believe Titile IX will help IMHO.

I hope I did not just open another large can of worms.
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I think those are some very good points SFP. Thanks for bringing them into the conversation.
 
Da Coach said:
I believe we will keep seeing more of these kinds of cuts, as state schools see funding cuts from the state, and athletic budgets feel the pinch.

University of Rhode Island cutting men's swimming, men's tennis and field hockey--
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=3347137&campaign=rss&source=NCAAHeadlines
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Men's swimming is often one of the first to get the axe. In Illinois, U of I, Bradley and NIU have all cut their men's programs, although BU didn't cut theres for Title IX reasons. I actually knew of a coach on a rival club in the Peoria area who had a full ride to Illinois before it cut its program. A team I was being recruited by, Ohio University, cut its team last year, and they were conference contenders. Sad.
 
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