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The legacy of Title IX

I understand, We get the idea that "Men are beasts that are far superior to any woman", People have alluded to it several times, but that isn't an argument for while they shouldn't be able to play. The duke football team has been terribad since i can remember, but yet they keep funding them, even bringing in new coaches an whatnot. hell they hadn't won a game in like 2 years at one point. Not being the epitome of greatest, or hell, not even being that good - doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to be given the chance to do something.
 
Mike Radigan said:
CzechBrave, you've got to add your name to the all 50 states thread. And just to make you feel at home here:

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I appreciate the pic. Good ol Prague. In a couple of months i'm actually moving to Lusaka, Zambia, so i'll be able to throw both of them on the list :)
 
The argument should not be if women are men's equals in sports. Who cares if they are or not.

The argument should be for equality. If you have a women's team, generally speaking, you should have a men's team. Equality. Title IX's intent was equality, not biased towards the females like it is today.

And again, it's football messing everything up, because the massive amounts of scholarships there throw all the numbers off. Women's football just isn't feasible, and there's no realistic female-only alternative you can put in there. So women get the advantage in "lesser" sports.

I think a whole heck of a lot would be solved from making football exempt from Title IX. A LOT.
 
When you force or legislate "equality" all you ever get is someone else's design but yet it seems it's also unequal and unfair, just a different group gets a bigger share of the unfairness.
eg...Affirmative Action, Title IX, fill-in-the-blank-minority "rights" legislation.
 
BTW...A school can always not take federal funding and than do what they want. The fact is that they are taking the funds and 50%-52% of the population are females paying taxes and right now I believe 65% of the graduates are female compared to males. I'm not saying that football screw the number but the females can come up with better arguments.

The other issue that Tornado brought up about women not playing HS sports and than play collegiate is happening less due to Title IX. In the past there were no programs for them to get into and get a scholarship so why apply yourself to sports if there is nothing to gain. Right now women athletics in terms of ability has risen astronomically the last 2 decades. We are talking Universities not sporting factories and with that there needs to be a balance.
 
Here is the extreme of ludicrous, that we end up seeing just because of title IX

Some schools that want to save the men's programs simply HAVE TO come up with more womens programs
but you can't offer women's wrestling, women's football, women's baseball, etc...so pretty soon you start running out of realistic options.

Well..........inventive thought to the rescue....how about offering
--Women's archery
--Women's badminton
--Woman's rifle
--Women's rugby
and more....all are offered by various NCAA institutions as a way to find another women's sport to offset the scholarships offered to men so they don't have to cut men's sports.


Here' Eastern Illinois' Women's rugby team
http://www.eiupanthers.com/index.asp?path=wrugby

07_rugby-team.jpg


Notice, they have so much trouble finding any women to take the scholarships they offer,
that they even advertise and hold open tryouts, and they even say
"No previous rugby experience necessary."
http://www.eiupanthers.com/News/wrugby/2008/1/8/08rgby_winter-tryout_0108.asp


How absolutely silly would it be if Bradley had trouble finding enough men
to fill the basketball roster and actually play basketball that they had to
advertise and hold open tryouts and beg for anyone
to join the team and accept the scholarship, even if they had
NEVER PLAYED BASKETBALL BEFORE!!!!


By the way, EIU RUGBY IS a scholarship sport:
"Scholarship sports: baseball (m), basketball, cross-country running,
football (m), golf, rugby (w), soccer, softball (w), swimming and diving,
tennis, track and field, volleyball (w)
Nonscholarship sports: rugby (m-club)"

Thus womens rugby IS a scholarship sport but men's rugby is a non-scholarship sport/club sport...

IS THIS FAIR???
http://www.petersons.com/UGChannel/code/InstVC.asp?inunid=6171&sponsor=13
 
I guess there is the simplest option, just take organized national sports out of collegiate hand, elt them all play club and call it a day. Sounds like that mens rugby team should write an angry letter to the Eastern Ill football team. Maybe if they had done that earlier, i wouldn't have to read so much garbage about Tony Romo all the time, man i hate that guy. Not to mention in the 70's Notre Dame held open tryouts for basketball, kind of a big program these days :) And the way indiana is going, that ain't far off
 
tornado said:
Here is the extreme of ludicrous, that we end up seeing just because of title IX

Some schools that want to save the men's programs simply HAVE TO come up with more womens programs
but you can't offer women's wrestling, women's football, women's baseball, etc...so pretty soon you start running out of realistic options.

Well..........inventive thought to the rescue....how about offering
--Women's archery
--Women's badminton
--Woman's rifle
--Women's rugby
and more....all are offered by various NCAA institutions as a way to find another women's sport to offset the scholarships offered to men so they don't have to cut men's sports.


Here' Eastern Illinois' Women's rugby team
http://www.eiupanthers.com/index.asp?path=wrugby

07_rugby-team.jpg


Notice, they have so much trouble finding any women to take the scholarships they offer,
that they even advertise and hold open tryouts, and they even say
"No previous rugby experience necessary."
http://www.eiupanthers.com/News/wrugby/2008/1/8/08rgby_winter-tryout_0108.asp


How absolutely silly would it be if Bradley had trouble finding enough men
to fill the basketball roster and actually play basketball that they had to
advertise and hold open tryouts and beg for anyone
to join the team and accept the scholarship, even if they had
NEVER PLAYED BASKETBALL BEFORE!!!!


By the way, EIU RUGBY IS a scholarship sport:
"Scholarship sports: baseball (m), basketball, cross-country running,
football (m), golf, rugby (w), soccer, softball (w), swimming and diving,
tennis, track and field, volleyball (w)
Nonscholarship sports: rugby (m-club)"

Thus womens rugby IS a scholarship sport but men's rugby is a non-scholarship sport/club sport...

IS THIS FAIR???
http://www.petersons.com/UGChannel/code/InstVC.asp?inunid=6171&sponsor=13
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I wasn't aware that rugby was even an NCAA sanctioned sport?
 
IlliBraves said:
I wasn't aware that rugby was even an NCAA sanctioned sport?
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Here is the list of sports that NCAA institutions sponsor:

Men's Sports:
Baseball
Field Hockey
Football
Basketball
Cross Country
Fencing
Golf
Gymnastics
Ice Hockey
Lacrosse
Rifle
Skiing
Soccer
Swimming
Tennis
Indoor Track
Outdoor Track
Volleyball
Water Polo
Wrestling



Women's Sports:
Softball
Archery
Badminton
Basketball
Bowling
Cross Country
Equestrian
Fencing
Golf
Gymnastics
Ice Hockey
Lacrosse
Rifle
Rowing
Rugby
Skiing
Soccer
Squash
Swimming
Synchronized Swimming
Team Handball
Tennis
Indoor Track
Outdoor Track
Volleyball
Water Polo



These are the MIXED SPORTS that are sponsored by NCAA institutions:
Mixed Cross Country
Mixed Equestrian
Mixed Fencing
Mixed Golf
Mixed Gymnastics
Mixed Rifle
Mixed Skiing
Mixed Swimming
Mixed Tennis
Mixed Indoor Track
Mixed Outdoor Track

This link will allow you to find exactly which schools offer which sports.
http://web1.ncaa.org/onlineDir/exec/sponsorship

For example, plug in Women's Team Handball, select All NCAA Divisions, and it tells you that these are the schools that have teams:

Women's Squash - All Divisions
Institution Conference Division State Region
Amherst College New England Small College Athletic Conference III MA Unassigned
Bates College New England Small College Athletic Conference III ME Unassigned
Bowdoin College New England Small College Athletic Conference III ME Unassigned
Brown University Ivy Group I RI Unassigned
Colby College New England Small College Athletic Conference III ME Unassigned
Connecticut College New England Small College Athletic Conference III CT Unassigned
Cornell University Ivy Group I NY Unassigned
Dartmouth College Ivy Group I NH Unassigned
Franklin & Marshall College Independent III PA Unassigned
George Washington University Independent I DC Unassigned
Hamilton College New England Small College Athletic Conference III NY Unassigned
Harvard University Ivy Group I MA Unassigned
Haverford College Independent III PA Unassigned
Middlebury College New England Small College Athletic Conference III VT Unassigned
Mount Holyoke College Independent III MA Unassigned
University of Pennsylvania Ivy Group I PA Unassigned
Princeton University Ivy Group I NJ Unassigned
Smith College Independent III MA Unassigned
St. Lawrence University Liberty League III NY Unassigned
Stanford University Independent I CA Unassigned
Trinity College (Connecticut) New England Small College Athletic Conference III CT Unassigned
Tufts University New England Small College Athletic Conference III MA Unassigned
Vassar College Liberty League III NY Unassigned
Wellesley College Independent III MA Unassigned
Wesleyan University (Connecticut) New England Small College Athletic Conference III CT Unassigned
William Smith College Independent III NY Unassigned
Williams College New England Small College Athletic Conference III MA Unassigned
Yale University Ivy Group I CT Unassigned
 
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