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Transfer Eligibility Question...not about BU

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DUBrave5

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This may not be the place to ask this question, but my mother just told me that my cousin went from being a scholarship cheerleader at the University of Kentucky on the Varsity squad (they have two squads) and now has been cut from the team. My aunt mentioned that she was looking at possibly transferring to the University of Tennessee and she wanted to know what the rules were with eligibility. I thought that transferring from one D-1 school to another meant that you had to sit for a year before competing, but I wasn't sure if that included being cut from the team and then transferring. If anyone has any insight on something like this, it would be greatly appreciated. I will attempt to look it up myself, but I will be in class most of the day so I don't know how much of a chance I'll have. And since almost any question on here can get answered by someone, I thought I'd try here first. Thanks in advance.
 
Thanks Mike and DC, I checked out the links and forwarded them to my mom to forward them to my aunt. I knew I could count on this forum
 
The fact that cheerleading squads don't really compete against each other as an NCAA sport, means there would likely be no objection to any individual transferring anywhere she wants.
Plus, I am doubtful that very many schools even offer full scholarships for cheerleading. I did a search and found that many offer partial scholarships, maybe even up to several thousand $$ but very few offered full rides as the athletes get.

If and when it becomes competitive, involves national tournaments, and draws money, then the NCAA would probably step in and regulate it tighter.
 
Da Coach said:
Cheerleading has a lot of injuries, and is more dangerous than a lot of other sports. Here is another example--
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Hey there Bradleyfans posters - thought I'd weigh in on this subject.

I'm a little dissapointed in your statement, DC.

Cheerleading is no different than any other athletic activity. There are rules and guidelines that govern what cheerleaders can and can't do. If those rules are followed it is no more dangerous than any other sport.

Will accidents happen? Surely. The guidelines are there to minimize the accidents that are avoidable.

Unfortunately to the general public perception is everything. The press says so...so it must be true. The press hops on cheerleading injuries to sell papers, entice viewers, etc. The bottom line is that folks don't understand why a person (especially a petite, cute, feminine person) would risk injury when they aren't winning or losing a contest and they find it interesting.

You never hear about the dangers of other sports because injuries are expected. Some stats to back this up...Kate Torgovnick, the author of the book CHEER (Touchstone, 2008 ) found in her research that in cheerleading, 6 out of every thousand cheerleaders will be injured (anything from something minor to something serious) in any given year. For football, it's 42 out of every thousand.

Also you have to take into consideration that football season is roughly 4 months long and cheerleaders practice/perfrom year round. So every time the someone claims that cheerleading is more dangerous than other sports I just shake my head in frustration.

Ofcourse, injuries are going to happen - especially when you are doing something like cheerleading with a lot of repetitive motion...but I'm very proud to say that in the 6 years that I've been coaching at Bradley we've never suffered injury due to a fall.

As for the links that are posted about this poor girl who was kicked in the chest...this is a very unfortunate death that probably could have been avoided. I know that there are some doctors on this board that can vouch for me when I say that you normally don't die from a collapsed lung unless you don't get medical attention.

DUBrave - as far as scholarships/eligibility for cheerleaders goes...there currently are not any rules that I know of that would effect a transfer. Hope she is happy as a VOL.
 
Cheer- I didn't just pull that statement out of the air. There are statistics kept for all sports injuries, and cheerleading is well above many other sports. Here are some articles--

Only a few sports have more injuries than cheerleading--
http://www.americansportsdata.com/pr-sportsinjuries.asp

This article states--
"Cheerleading ranks as the most dangerous women??™s sport in all safety areas".
http://www.globalsportszone.com/Art...ngers-in-the-Sport-of-Cheerleading/Page1.html


And cheerleading accidents are much more likely to be catastrophic.
This New York Times article states--
"Cheerleaders suffer more catastrophic injuries than female athletes in all other sports combined."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/31/sports/31cheerleader.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Here is more from that article--
Emergency room visits for cheerleading injuries nationwide have more than doubled since the early 1990s, far outpacing the growth in the number of cheerleaders, and the rate of life-threatening injuries has startled researchers. Of 104 catastrophic injuries sustained by female high school and college athletes from 1982 to 2005 ??” head and spinal trauma that occasionally led to death ??” more than half resulted from cheerleading, according to the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research. All sports combined did not surpass cheerleading.


http://ezinearticles.com/?Inherent-Dangers-in-the-Sport-of-Cheerleading&id=162797



There are many more references I could give you, but the facts are undeniable that it it a dangerous sport.
 
DC--

That link you provided shows cheerleading behind "recreational walking" in injury rate... And a whole bevy of what are considered more "major" sports... So how you draw "only a few sports" have higher injury rates is a bit mistifying to me.
 
thefish7 said:
DC--

That link you provided shows cheerleading behind "recreational walking" in injury rate... And a whole bevy of what are considered more "major" sports... So how you draw "only a few sports" have higher injury rates is a bit mistifying to me.
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You obviously did not read the article-- Because so many people engage in walking, there are more injuries. That list did not consider severity, but just total numbers, and that was only a listing of the top 25 sports.
16 sports were listed ahead of cheerleading, out of a total of 103 different sports activities! If you take away the jogging, running, walking, fitness training selections, there are only 8 sports that are played in colleges and high schools as competetive sports that rank higher than cheerleading.

How is this for a statement- there are more kids killed or paralyzed by cheerleading accidents than football, baseball, hockey, basketball, and soccer combined!
 
I'll admit that I just skimmed these articles that you just posted. I did not see where any of the links take into consideration the sheer amount of females participating.

There are over 1.5 million all star cheerleaders that do nothing but work on skills and compete. I would wager that 99% of allstar cheerleaders are female. Miss Chang, the girl that died of the collapsed lung, was one of them. (The headline of the articles about her should have read "Woman Dies of Collapsed Lung")

When you add on the millions more cheerleaders from grade school up through college you are still talking about an activity where most of the participants are female.

More participants = more injuries.

I don't want to get into a debate with you over this or that...I was simply saying with anything that you choose to do there is a certain amount of risk. All we can do is minimize that risk.
 
Yeah, but my point DC, is that you acted as if the data in that article (which I did read) indicated that cheerleading was more dangerous than more sports. The problem is, cheerleading was clearly included in their data set has a low number of injuries and didn't figure into their rate discussion of regular or extreme sports. Meaning that it fell below football, boxing, basketball, softball, and whatever else they mentioned.

It may have some catastrophic injuries, but the data quoted in your own source says the overall injury rate is not high when compared with other common sports.
 
This is the quote in the article that documents the degree of injury.
New York Times article said:
Of 104 catastrophic injuries sustained by female high school and college athletes from 1982 to 2005 ??” head and spinal trauma that occasionally led to death ??” more than half resulted from cheerleading, according to the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research. All sports combined did not surpass cheerleading.
Click to expand...
 
Mike that may very well be true...but what they don't tell you in that article is that there are more girls/women in cheerleading than in any other sport.

Think about it. How many girls are on a highschool basketball team? 12-13 maybe? There may very well be over 40 girls that cheer for Boys Basketball, Girls Basketball, and Wrestling during the winter.

If you tallied up all the female athletes at a school like a Galesburg and compared them to the number of cheerleaders (almost 90 participants) the numbers would be pretty similar...in fact at some schools the number of cheerleaders may eclipse the number female athletes from other sports.

More partipants = More injuries
Longer Season (for most, it is the entire year) = More chances for injuries to happen
 
CHEERatBU said:
Miss Chang, the girl that died of the collapsed lung, was one of them. (The headline of the articles about her should have read "Woman Dies of Collapsed Lung")
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The headline you propose may be true, but isn't fully indicative of what really happened. The collapsed lung was a direct result of the accident ... which occurred during the cheerleading competition.
 
It seems to me that the girl died because she didn't get any medical attention for a collapsed lung. Sure the injury was part of it - but isn't a collapsed lung a pretty common occurance?

Are there any doctors on here that can tell us how common a collapsed lung is and how easy or hard it is to treat???

To the best of my knowledge a pneumothorax (think thats it) injury is pretty easily treatable and most emergency medical professionals are trained to help with this kind of injury.
 
I am not an expert, but I don't think it is very common to occur from the kind of trauma this girl suffered, a simple kick to the chest wall. That's almost unheard of.
And the symtoms are not real obvious until the situation is a bit critical.
You are right that is is called a pneumothorax, and easy to treat if she was in an emergency room, with all the equipment an emergency doctor would have. But in any other setting, she would die right in front of you if you didn't have surgical tools, a chest tube, and a way to maintain a vacuum in the chest tube to re-expand the lung.
 
Remember that girl from 78?

Remember that girl from 78?

There used to be a cheerleader that did a flip off a huge pyramid -- we were still in the field house then. I mean that as a huge act--I think three rows of guys and girls standing so it was probably a 15 plus ft jump.
 
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