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Validation that St Louis is going to be awesome

DeltaBrave03 said:
Ideal situation for BU would be:

1. UNI
2. WSU
3. isu
4/5. BU/MSU
6. CU
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I still believe we beat Creighton in a tournament situation...


I mean what are the odds of their bench guys shooting lights out in 3 games against us?!


Also, I don't think there's any real chance Missouri State can squeeze in to a 5 seed...They have a much more likely chance of playing Thu night than they do at 2:35 Fri.


Right now, one could almost expect Bradley and Creigton to tie at 10-8 and Drake, Missouri State, and Indiana State to tie at 8-10.

I believe that gives Indiana State the 6, Missouri State the 7, and Drake the 8.
 
squirrelgotdead said:
Pretty good seeing as how they've won 8 of 10 against us, and Cavel Witter scored 41 against us a few years ago.
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We're not even talking about the same player though...


I really don't feel like they have the talent to do it 3 times...

Just look at the game here...They had to shoot lights out and have career games from multiple guys AND they still only won by 5.
 
I agree with SLB on this question... I didn't see better basketball out of CU when they beat us here... I saw ridiculous shooting-- happens sometimes, I guess. It makes me think we have a shot at them at their place, and especially on a neutral court. I think we match up well with them. I don't like how we match up with isu, WSU, or even MSU.
 
DeltaBrave03 said:
Ideal situation for BU would be:

1. UNI
2. WSU
3. isu
4/5. BU/MSU
6. CU
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I agree DB. This is ideal. And you are dead on about us not matching up well against ISU. I don't believe it will happen though. And I think you can book us a date with ISU or CU in the 4/5 game. And I don't want to play either team because ISU is a tough match up with Odiakosa and CU seems to always play well in STL. I do believe its tough to beat a team 3 times in a season though. Which could be the case for us against both these teams come the first weekend in March. I have a feeling though the light bulb may have flipped on in that second half of that game Saturday. Loved the zone we played and we just seemed to get better as that half went on.

On a different note, I was wondering if anyone knew if Wichita has ever made it to the finals? I feel like they may have but not recently. Maybe the 80's?
 
Finally JL had WE front his man instead of playing their back. With his jumping ability it makes it real hard for the opposing team to get the ball inside. I'd expect WE to front Lawson the next time around instead of letting him post up. That is why I believe we should beat them next time we match up! We can do the same against ISU red!
 
indybrave10 said:
On a different note, I was wondering if anyone knew if Wichita has ever made it to the finals? I feel like they may have but not recently. Maybe the 80's?
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Wichita State has only played in the final game 3 times since the tournament was started in 1977. They won the MVC tournament twice (same as Bradley) in 1985 and 1987.
They made it to the final game and lost in 1981 (to Creighton).


YEAR-BY-YEAR CHAMPIONS
Year Champion Runner-up Score Site
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana][FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1977 Southern Illinois W. Texas State 82-69 Wichita, Kan.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1978 Creighton Indiana State 54-52 Omaha, Neb.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1979 Indiana State N. Mexico State 69-59 Terre Haute[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1980 Bradley W. Texas State 62-59 Peoria, Ill.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1981 Creighton Wichita State 70-64 Omaha, Neb.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1982 Tulsa Illinois State 90-77 Tulsa, Okla.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1983 Illinois State Tulsa 84-64 Normal, Ill.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1984 Tulsa Creighton 70-68 (ot) Tulsa, Okla. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1985 Wichita State Tulsa 84-82 Tulsa, Okla.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1986 Tulsa Bradley 74-58 Tulsa, Okla. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1987 Wichita State Tulsa 79-74 (ot) Tulsa, Okla.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1988 Bradley Illinois State 83-59 Peoria, Ill.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1989 Creighton Southern Illinois 79-77 Wichita, Kan.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1990 Illinois State Southern Illinois 81-78 Normal, Ill.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1991 Creighton Missouri State 68-52 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1992 Missouri State Tulsa 71-68 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1993 Southern Illinois Illinois State 70-59 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1994 Southern Illinois UNI 77-74 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1995 Southern Illinois Tulsa 77-62 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1996 Tulsa Bradley 60-46 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1997 Illinois State Missouri State 75-72 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1998 Illinois State Missouri State 84-74 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]1999 Creighton Evansville 70-61 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]2000 Creighton Missouri State 57-45 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]2001 Indiana State Bradley 69-63 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]2002 Creighton Southern Illinois 84-76 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]2003 Creighton Southern Illinois 80-56 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]2004 UNI Missouri State 79-74 (2ot) St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]2005 Creighton Missouri State 75-57 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]2006 Southern Illinois Bradley 59-46 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]2007 Creighton Southern Illinois 67-61 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]2008 Drake Illinois State 79-49 St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]2009 UNI Illinois State 60-57 (ot) St. Louis, Mo.[/FONT]
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thefish7 said:
I agree with SLB on this question... I didn't see better basketball out of CU when they beat us here... I saw ridiculous shooting-- happens sometimes, I guess. It makes me think we have a shot at them at their place, and especially on a neutral court. I think we match up well with them. I don't like how we match up with isu, WSU, or even MSU.
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I don't disagree with you guys, at all. In theory we are probably a better team that Creighton. I have said just about every year during this 10 game stretch we indeed had the better team. Yet they still have won 8 of the 10.
 
SFP said:
Finally JL had WE front his man instead of playing their back. With his jumping ability it makes it real hard for the opposing team to get the ball inside. I'd expect WE to front Lawson the next time around instead of letting him post up. That is why I believe we should beat them next time we match up! We can do the same against ISU red!
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Lawson had a nice game against us but we lost because they made too many 3 point shots that they usually don"t make or haven"t made most of the season.
 
real fan said:
Lawson had a nice game against us but we lost because they made too many 3 point shots that they usually don"t make or haven"t made most of the season.
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Open 3 or a closed out 3 are two different things. If they can't pound the ball in and if we keep WE in the game more because Lawson is not touching the ball we are a much better team. Our guards then can play their guy straight up and play better perimeter D.
 
real fan said:
Lawson had a nice game against us but we lost because they made too many 3 point shots that they usually don"t make or haven"t made most of the season.
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Seems to have been a theme/trend with teams versus Bradley this season. Until we get an answer to the Lawsons of the world, we are going to have difficulties with anyone who has size at the 5, regardless of who is the rest of the team.

And remember good interior scoring/presence often leads to better shooters on the perimeter.
 
Believe me I understand the "matchup" angle here as it relates to who we play and our odds of advancing. The bigger issue is how well we are playing. If somehow we finish strong enough to finish 3rd (longshot I know) the odds go WAY up of us actually having a chance to win the tournament. Look at the results by seed below per the MVC online press guide:

Tournament Titles, By Seed
1 -- 12 (last : UNI in 2009)
5 in St. Louis
2 -- 13 (last: Creighton in 2007)
7 in St. Louis
3 -- 6 (last: Creighton in 2005)
5 in St. Louis
4 -- 1 (Creighton in 2000)
5 -- 1 (Indiana State in 2001)

FWIW, of the 19 titles in St. Louis, 17 of them have been to seeds 1-3.
 
Double D said:
Believe me I understand the "matchup" angle here as it relates to who we play and our odds of advancing. The bigger issue is how well we are playing. If somehow we finish strong enough to finish 3rd (longshot I know) the odds go WAY up of us actually having a chance to win the tournament. Look at the results by seed below per the MVC online press guide:

Tournament Titles, By Seed
1 -- 12 (last : UNI in 2009)
5 in St. Louis
2 -- 13 (last: Creighton in 2007)
7 in St. Louis
3 -- 6 (last: Creighton in 2005)
5 in St. Louis
4 -- 1 (Creighton in 2000)
5 -- 1 (Indiana State in 2001)

FWIW, of the 19 titles in St. Louis, 17 of them have been to seeds 1-3.
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And all 19 have not been Bradley!
 
We have finished 1st once and 2nd three times since moving to STL, and we have made the championship twice. If you only make the top three as many times your odd's obviously go way down. I guess the moral is you need to consistently be in the top 3 in the MVC and our wishes for tourney titles improve greatly.
 
Double D said:
Believe me I understand the "matchup" angle here as it relates to who we play and our odds of advancing. The bigger issue is how well we are playing. If somehow we finish strong enough to finish 3rd (longshot I know) the odds go WAY up of us actually having a chance to win the tournament. Look at the results by seed below per the MVC online press guide:

Tournament Titles, By Seed
1 -- 12 (last : UNI in 2009)
5 in St. Louis
2 -- 13 (last: Creighton in 2007)
7 in St. Louis
3 -- 6 (last: Creighton in 2005)
5 in St. Louis
4 -- 1 (Creighton in 2000)
5 -- 1 (Indiana State in 2001)
FWIW, of the 19 titles in St. Louis, 17 of them have been to seeds 1-
3.
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if I recall correctly too, only once has the 835 pm 3/6 winner won the whole thing in STL
 
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