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Valley Point Total

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It's getting to that point in the season when valley point totals help break tiebreakers using the 20 for road win against 1st place, 19 for a home.etc Does anybody have the current point standings?
 
Here's what I come up with...there could be big changes though as so many teams are so close in the standings that the standings may change significantly over the final few games. Evansville and SIU look to be in bad tiebreaker shape. Wichita State is golden if it comes to points, as are the Sycamores. A Drake win tonight puts them in a good position as well. If UNI and Creighton tie at 14-4 (with UNI losing to ISU), and the rest of the league standings stay as is, I have UNI winning the tiebreaker over Creighton by just 1 point. Thus any change at all in the current standings could totally change that. We likely lose a tiebreaker for 3rd with ISU. Possible points remaining are in parenthesis.

Northern Iowa - 108 (34)
Creighton - 97 (28 )
Illinois State - 74 (56)
Bradley - 63 (20)
Wichita State - 74 (25)
Evansville - 39 (51)
Drake - 52 (54)
Southern Illinois - 43 (22)
Indiana State - 60 (21)
Missouri State - 29 (36)
 
Bump.

The Trees are looking good in Carbondale, and WSU is right in the game in Normal. What has to happen for us to win the tiebreaker with ISU for 3rd?
 
BradleyBrave said:
Bump.

The Trees are looking good in Carbondale, and WSU is right in the game in Normal. What has to happen for us to win the tiebreaker with ISU for 3rd?
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If Illinois State wins again, we can't win the tiebreaker I don't think. If we win at UE and lose at home to Drake and we both finish 10-8, then we MIGHT win the tiebreaker. Our best shot at 3rd is winning out, with them losing out. I don't want 3rd unless Creighton gets 1st.
 
Tulsa Brave said:
If Illinois State wins again, we can't win the tiebreaker I don't think. If we win at UE and lose at home to Drake and we both finish 10-8, then we MIGHT win the tiebreaker. Our best shot at 3rd is winning out, with them losing out. I don't want 3rd unless Creighton gets 1st.
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Creighton will be 1st. UNI is losing at home to Drake, and will lose to ISU. Their legs are getting tired, and they haven't shot exceptionally well since their miracle in Peoria. Looks like a date with Dana on Saturday. That really sucks.
 
BradleyBrave said:
Creighton will be 1st. UNI is losing at home to Drake, and will lose to ISU. Their legs are getting tired, and they haven't shot exceptionally well since their miracle in Peoria. Looks like a date with Dana on Saturday. That really sucks.
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I'd rather face them on Saturday than in the championship game. They probably won't lose to someone else before then like everyone wants. There's no shot at an at-large, so we have to win out obviously. So, it won't matter in terms of one more win or something. I actually like that scenario.
 
bluedevils1 said:
I'd rather face them on Saturday than in the championship game. They probably won't lose to someone else before then like everyone wants. There's no shot at an at-large, so we have to win out obviously. So, it won't matter in terms of one more win or something. I actually like that scenario.
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Creighton has a shot at an at-large. They have a good shot. If they win the league outright (which would mean they win their last 2 league games), and win their BracketBuster, they will have won 10 straight and 11 of 12 heading into the MVC Tournament. They also would have the marquee wins (New Mexico, Dayton, St. Joe's) to make a very strong case. They also have the name recognition. I think Creighton is an at-large lock if they make Sunday and the above scenario holds true. A Saturday loss for them might mean bubble-burst, and I don't see Dana letting that happen against a team like BU.
 
Actually if I had to pick out of those 3 teams...it's more like CU holds their own destiny for the 1 seed. There's no reason why they should lose to you in Omaha, and they are already in first place.

You guys are relying on CU's destiny....
 
RedbirdFan21 said:
Well is it possible for both teams to control their own destiny??? :lol:

You may be correct that they have no reason to lose to us in Omaha, but it has happened before (last year).
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cpacmel said:
In the last 4 years, ISU has won in Omaha TWICE.
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You wanna crown their arses, THEN CROWN 'EM!

:lol:

Good luck to your Birds fellas... but sorry, I am rooting for Creighton cause I think they could have a better At-Large Portfolio than ISU.
 
MacabreMob said:
Good luck to your Birds fellas... but sorry, I am rooting for Creighton cause I think they could have a better At-Large Portfolio than ISU.
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No problem MacabreMob. I wouldn't expect many (if any) BU guys to root for ISU to win the conference title.
 
Creighton DOES NOT control their own destiny. UNI and ISU do...if either of them wins out, they will be the 1 seed. The only way Creighton gets the 1 seed is if they win out and UNI loses at least once.
 
What how does ISU hold their own destiny and CU doesn't with that logic?

If CU wins out they will be in first...

let's face it ISU needs to CU to LOSE that game more than ISU needs to win...can we all agree CU should not lose to ISU in Omaha? ISU is banking on a CU collapse hence ISU is relying on CU's destiny...ISU has zero control. If CU shows up against the redbirds it's over. ISU hasn't proven once that they are a good road team this year.

What I'm trying to say is...ISU do what you gotta do...but if CU does its thing...then you CANNOT do anything about....CU has it (first) in the bag right now...it's theirs for the taking...that is MY definition of they control their own destiny...ISU has to fight and hope CU drops the ball...that's not controlling their destiny what so ever.
 
Bradleyguy10 said:
What how does ISU hold their own destiny and CU doesn't with that logic?

If CU wins out they will be in first...
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No one is debating that.

The debate is over the #1 seed.

Creighton does not control their own destiny there. ISU and UNI do. It's pretty simple.

And that is EXACTLY what was said here:

Tulsa Brave said:
Creighton DOES NOT control their own destiny. UNI and ISU do...if either of them wins out, they will be the 1 seed. The only way Creighton gets the 1 seed is if they win out and UNI loses at least once.
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Boy, oh boy. Looks like the ISU/Creighton game is gonna be the deciding game. Forget about the other games. That's the only one to focus on. ;)
 
cpacmel said:
No one is debating that.

The debate is over the #1 seed.

Creighton does not control their own destiny there. ISU and UNI do. It's pretty simple.

And that is EXACTLY what was said here:
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That makes more sense...I misinterpreted it the first time.

I still don't really think ISU controls their own destiny though I know they are playing each other and therefore the whole "if ISU wins out they will be in first thing" is indeed correct but I can spin it the way you are spinning the CU/UNI thing in saying that ISU needs CU to lose (neglecting the fact that the loss would be to ISU) if you know what I'm saying.

W/E let's just see who wins, and I stand by statement about ISU hasn't really proven much on the road....and I'll be sure to tell those teams you mentioned haha
 
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