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Wessler- Better days are not ahead

AZ BU Fan said:
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Your signature says it all about the love/hate relationship with JL:
"I envision Missouri Valley Championships".

We all loved JL for his story (former overachieving BU player coming back to save his university's basketball program), for his enthusiasm and confidence in himself to get BU championships under his reign.

The fact the program hasn't achieved the success we all hoped and prayed for, as espoused by this inexperienced coach, and the endless string of reasons it hasn't happened, has led some to suggest a change.

If only JL had claimed - "I envision Missouri Valley Championships in year 9 or 10, if injuries don't get in the way, if I have a new practice facility, if my players stay for four years, and if the NCAA will rule my recurits eligible" perhaps public opinion would be different..
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Yeah. Too bad JL didn't come in here and say, "I envision many mid-conference finishes." That would have made us feel real good. ;-)

What do you expect a new coach to say?
 
Dallas Brave said:
Yeah. Too bad JL didn't come in here and say, "I envision many mid-conference finishes." That would have made us feel real good. ;-)

What do you expect a new coach to say?
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My point exactly DBF!!!!....

I wouldn't have felt real good about new coach JL saying this when he was hired, as I am now also not feeling real good about it happening at BU with this now experienced coach! :-P
 
When BU chose Les, they lost not only the chance to have Wayne McClain join the program but also lost a beloved trustee, Joe Billy McDade. That was a very sad chapter in Hilltop history. Unfortunately, I do not believe that the current administration has any greater vision that will pull the team, or the university, from the abyss. BU has awesome, energetic students and highly talented faculty - people who could be teaching at superior institutions. Yet they choose BU because they love it and they love the idea of it. Once we find an administration equal to the vision of Lydia Moss Bradley, the Bradleys - those on the court and off - won't be stoppable.
 
I have never understood those that rail on JL for wanting, hoping and promising ggod things for BU. Like others have stated, was he suppose to strive for less?

I judge him on what he has done...not what he SAID he would do.
 
tulip said:
When BU chose Les, they lost not only the chance to have Wayne McClain join the program but also lost a beloved trustee, Joe Billy McDade. That was a very sad chapter in Hilltop history.
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You obviously don't follow BU close enough tuilp. BJ McDade exorcized his demons with the decision and is currently "on-board". Get the facts before denigrating the BU Administration! :( I think most everyone knows that Wayne McClain would have been a BIG mistake.
 
Braves4Life said:
You obviously don't follow BU close enough tuilp. BJ McDade exorcized his demons with the decision and is currently "on-board". Get the facts before denigrating the BU Administration! :( I think most everyone knows that Wayne McClain would have been a BIG mistake.
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The fact that McDade resigned as a trustee was a huge loss - and tremendous embarrassment - for the university. "Most everyone knows that Wayne McClain would have a Big mistake." Can you prove that?
 
It was too bad that Joe Billy stepped down as a trustee. I hope he does agree to return to the board if the opportunity occurs.
And Jim Les didn't have anything to do with that, it was just an unfortunate outcome of differences in the committee-based hiring process.

I still hope Wayne McClain gets a head coaching job someday, but here we are 8 years later, and he's had no offers. All I'll say is I think Bradley made the right choice.

And tulip- I think Bradley has an exceptional team of administrators.
 
I agree the his honor McDade is one of BU's golden assets. If this exceptional administration knows its stuff it will reach out to him.
 
tulip said:
How do you define exceptional?
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Look at the stats, rankings, donations, and growing reputation of The University. Just because the University's policies and ideologies don't align with yours does not mean they are doing things wrong. You're obviously either young, naive, and an ideologue..... or someone who speaks without facts:(
 
You point me to BU for facts about BU?

That's not what I consider independent info. Were you BU educated?
 
tulip said:
You point me to BU for facts about BU?

That's not what I consider independent info. Were you BU educated?
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It's third party info listed on a BU website. I don't have the time, nor desire, to Google every source that BU cites and point you to it. Do it yourself if you like. I have no doubts about BU's quality. If you do then you should transfer to one of the schools on the list that I linked.

And yes, I was BU educated. I learned that names (like tulip) should be capitalized;) :lol:
 
tulip said:
The fact that McDade resigned as a trustee was a huge loss - and tremendous embarrassment - for the university. "Most everyone knows that Wayne McClain would have a Big mistake." Can you prove that?
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No he can't...no more thean you can prove it would have been a good hire. The point is he wasn't hired so it doesn't really matter.

IF you are going to go THAT route there were far more qualified applicants then WM that BU passed over.
 
Excellent point Dogs. . .and the thing that always gets overlooked is we get the comparisons to the other FINALISTS for the job (Gregory, Jones, etc. . .). I have heard that the group of finalists may have been configured so as to help shape the arguments for the end result.

We don't know necessarily who the BEST qualified candidates were beyond the finalists, either.

Truthfully, I have to think there were some monster apps in there. . .but since the fix was in, they didn't get a credible shot at the job.
 
squirrelgotdead said:
Excellent point Dogs. . .and the thing that always gets overlooked is we get the comparisons to the other FINALISTS for the job (Gregory, Jones, etc. . .). I have heard that the group of finalists may have been configured so as to help shape the arguments for the end result.

We don't know necessarily who the BEST qualified candidates were beyond the finalists, either.

Truthfully, I have to think there were some monster apps in there. . .but since the fix was in, they didn't get a credible shot at the job.
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You mean a laughable lowball salary, and silly, petulant questions? Add those to junior high-level facilities with no promise for anything better, and of course people are going to withdraw.

Brian Gregory was twice as qualified as the finalists. So was Steve Merfeld. Both didn't even come close to getting real consideration.
 
Gregory and Jones would both have likely been the top 2 choices to be the Bradley coach if they had decided to stay in consideration. But both pulled out by their own decision. I have heard these rumors of a "fix" too, but only by those who don't have any real knowledge of what happened. The more I learned from those who know, that is far from the case.
Jim Les was only added to the list of those to get an interview in Atlanta in the first round of interviews as a courtesy to supporters who pulled so strongly for him to be considered. After that, the JL supporters played no part at all. He was only invited back to campus for a second interview because so many other candidates either were eliminated or pulled out on their own. From there, the rest is pretty well known.
 
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