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Wessler: Bradley bested by better team

One thing....talking about defense being a priority and teaching it properly are two entirely different things.

You can't just say---"ok, we are going to have a defensive mindset" "we are going to become a defensive team", and then not teach it properly. Again, Les can drill and talk about defense. But that's just not the same as getting it done.

Im not saying one way or another (I'm not at practice)--but why do we all assume that the players are being taught great defensive principles in practice yet they are the ones breaking down in games? Is there a chance the base isn't even solid to begin with?
 
Carver Arena Guy said:
One thing....talking about defense being a priority and teaching it properly are two entirely different things.

You can't just say---"ok, we are going to have a defensive mindset" "we are going to become a defensive team", and then not teach it properly. Again, Les can drill and talk about defense. But that's just not the same as getting it done.

Im not saying one way or another (I'm not at practice)--but why do we all assume that the players are being taught great defensive principles in practice yet they are the ones breaking down in games? Is there a chance the base isn't even solid to begin with?
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And at the same time, how do we know he's not teaching it properly? That's my point, and as you just stated we are not at practice, so we don't know how he is teaching it.

So basically it comes down to coaching versus players who are just not "getting it", which yes, would be come a recruiting issue if that's the problem. But it could also be a third factor which you don't always see when recruiting a player, and that is that some players with good potential sometimes have difficulty playing at the next level. Or at the very least it takes them longer to grasp the system.

I don't think our players are playing terrible, but they are not playing as consistent as they could be either. I still believe that things will eventually fall into place, and we have already seen some signs of that with a solid home win against MSU and a very good road win at SIU. I think this team will surprise us with some more good wins before the end of this season, and a great year next year.
 
Carver Arena Guy said:
One thing....talking about defense being a priority and teaching it properly are two entirely different things.

You can't just say---"ok, we are going to have a defensive mindset" "we are going to become a defensive team", and then not teach it properly. Again, Les can drill and talk about defense. But that's just not the same as getting it done.

Im not saying one way or another (I'm not at practice)--but why do we all assume that the players are being taught great defensive principles in practice yet they are the ones breaking down in games? Is there a chance the base isn't even solid to begin with?
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I don't think Jim knows anything about defensive techniques or how to teach it let alone how to break down another teams offence and how to defend it. Like you said it takes more than talking about it.
 
BUFAN said:
I don't think Jim knows anything about defensive techniques or how to teach it let alone how to break down another teams offence and how to defend it. Like you said it takes more than talking about it.
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To be fair, I am not saying Jim doesnt know what he is doing coaching defense. Again, Im not at practice. But there is certainly a breakdown somewhere along the chain. It's best to look at all aspects of the system.
 
BUFAN said:
I don't think Jim knows anything about defensive techniques or how to teach it let alone how to break down another teams offence and how to defend it. Like you said it takes more than talking about it.
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Then how did we almost upset UNI at their place a couple of weeks ago? Oh, that's right. I guess that was all "blind luck" then! :rolleyes:
 
Carver Arena Guy said:
To be fair, I am not saying Jim doesnt know what he is doing coaching defense. Again, Im not at practice. But there is certainly a breakdown somewhere along the chain. It's best to look at all aspects of the system.
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So what exactly do we do wrong when we play defense, coach? Is it the defense that is called or the way we play the defense that is called, because both are being called out. Do we cross our feet, pick them up too close to half court, bend our back, what? Please tell me what all of the players have been told that is wrong.

Sheesh. We hold four straight teams under 60 or whatever, no one says anything about the good defense, now we give up 73 in one game and the sky is falling and the nellies are back in full force. How can you not see the improvement over earlier in the year. We routinely gave up 50 point halves around Christmas.

We had trouble last night stopping the lightning and the thunder at the same time. Stop one, the other would rise up. Lawson was better than our 5, and they made 3's.
 
Buesch N Chips said:
So what exactly do we do wrong when we play defense, coach? Is it the defense that is called or the way we play the defense that is called, because both are being called out. Do we cross our feet, pick them up too close to half court, bend our back, what? Please tell me what all of the players have been told that is wrong.

Sheesh. We hold four straight teams under 60 or whatever, no one says anything about the good defense, now we give up 73 in one game and the sky is falling and the nellies are back in full force. How can you not see the improvement over earlier in the year. We routinely gave up 50 point halves around Christmas.

We had trouble last night stopping the lightning and the thunder at the same time. Stop one, the other would rise up. Lawson was better than our 5, and they made 3's.
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See, go back to my post. I never said that the fault was with being how they were teached. I said it is an option. Just like the guys not doing what the coach says is an option. I have also not been on this bandwagon that the defense is awful.

I think the #1 problem is that people are looking at how many points the other teams scores as a direct result of good/bad defense. The point total is indicitive of mostly pace of play, not the quality of defense. There are some good defensive teams who give up more points than bad defensive teams.

The UNI game was lower scoring partly because they play a slower pace while Creighton plays at a faster pace. Remember, there are two teams on the court, not just Bradley. Field goal percentage defense and defensive efficiency are much better judges of how good a teams defense is than PPG allowed.

Bradley has been pretty decent in opponents FG%. 3rd in the league. They have struggled guarding the three point shot. They are 7th there. Bradley is 7th in scoring defense and sixth in scoring margin.

I don't think Bradley is a terrible defensive team. I think they are about average. And that is where they are in the standings.
 
need to give a little more credit to creighton without taking it as knock on our program. creighton is the standard of our league when you consider attendance, winning, etc.

cant we accept this without being defensive. we are what we are. right now we are .500 team. just a simple fact. creighton has a better program now. we need to get better. we should just focus on how and not be defensive about other programs success.
 
flipper said:
need to give a little more credit to creighton without taking it as knock on our program. creighton is the standard of our league when you consider attendance, winning, etc.

cant we accept this without being defensive. we are what we are. right now we are .500 team. just a simple fact. creighton has a better program now. we need to get better. we should just focus on how and not be defensive about other programs success.
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Great point flipper. As I said in another post, two teams play each night. It isnt all about Bradley. Creighton is, generally, the program Bradley should strive to be. They are just better right now and have been. Give them and Dana credit.
 
Carver Arena Guy said:
Great point flipper. As I said in another post, two teams play each night. It isnt all about Bradley. Creighton is, generally, the program Bradley should strive to be. They are just better right now and have been. Give them and Dana credit.
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Thanks.............The men's basketball team is the most popular athletic program at Creighton. They are one of six NCAA Division I teams to have 20 or more wins in each of the last eleven seasons. The Creighton Bluejays men's basketball team averages the highest attendance in the Missouri Valley Conference. During the 2008-2009 season, Creighton's average home game attendance ranked 12th in the nation. They play all home games at Qwest Center Omaha. They are coached by Dana Altman.
 
flipper said:
need to give a little more credit to creighton without taking it as knock on our program. creighton is the standard of our league when you consider attendance, winning, etc.

cant we accept this without being defensive. we are what we are. right now we are .500 team. just a simple fact. creighton has a better program now. we need to get better. we should just focus on how and not be defensive about other programs success.
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I agree flipper.... Good post! :) Last night Creighton looked like the same old CU that we all have come to know and hate. :lol: I'd even venture to say that the Stinnettless Creighton "is back"...... And that spells trouble for the rest of The Valley. :(
 
Better program and coach, yeah. I don't think they're a better team this year... Most of the time you outrebound a team and turn the ball over less, you win. If we do those two things again in Omaha, I'd say we have a shot at beating them there. I'd've preferred to sweep them, but Creighton didn't look that good to me last night in any phase other than shooting.
 
Wessler who?

And what he says is SO earth-shattering and important?

:roll:

I don't need negative facts pointed out to me. I'm smart enough to know them on my own.

And I no longer waste my time or money on the local rag and what is printed in the local rag.

So... Wessler who?

Long live the Death of the Drive-by Media. :twisted:
 
MacabreMob said:
Wessler who?

And what he says is SO earth-shattering and important?

:roll:

I don't need negative facts pointed out to me. I'm smart enough to know them on my own.

And I no longer waste my time or money on the local rag and what is printed in the local rag.

So... Wessler who?

Long live the Death of the Drive-by Media. :twisted:
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secretly MM I think you read the Star.......and love the Illini;)
 
IMO, KW is a Mike Nadel wannabe. One day be down on a player, coach or program and as soon as they do something positive brag them up again. Not saying he isn't right many times, but it's obvious he thinks his job is to try to stir readers up, especially the ones who post on this board.
 
Chico said:
IMO, ... but it's obvious he thinks his job is to try to stir readers up, especially the ones who post on this board.
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I don't believe that for nuttin'.

It isn't about this board. It's all about him.

It's the "World According to Kirk".

And I could care less.

Die Drive-by Media - Die. :twisted:
 
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